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@bluebomber24: i give up
too many numbers

[quote=MeMagicalPie]@bluebomber24: At this point, this is just senseless talk between the two of us[/quote]

Not really. A BM should be using Inferno on 2+ mobs and GG whenever they can. That is just a mathematical fact.

@bluebomber24: At this point, this is just senseless talk between the two of us

edit: Okay, it makes sense to you
But milliseconds? really?

@MeMagicalPie: Sigh....I have no idea why you are bringing a persons damage into this at all

[b]From Stickied Comprehensive Guide:[/b]

Bowmasters use nothing but Hurricane!

While dubiously true before hyper skills, this is certainly no longer the case. WoF by itself ends the myth by improving our 1 target damage. It's worth interrupting Hurricane whenever the cd ends. More importantly, the buffs to Ultimate Inferno are huge. UI now beats hurricane on mobs of 2+.

Math:
Ultimate Inferno (with reinforce)
Fast 4 = 220% x 4 x 1.2 + 140% / 720 ms = 1.661 %/ms
Faster 3 = 1196% / 660 ms = 1.812 %/ms
Fastest 2 = 1196% / 600 ms = 1.993 %/ms
Hurricane (spamming) + AFA = (260% + 0.7*210%) / 120 ms = 3.3916 % /ms

Even Fast 4 UI has 3.322 %/ms on two mobs narrowly losing to Hurricane. The damage difference is about 2%, but this comparison does not include the delays from re-summoning Phoenix and Elite Puppet, rebuffing, or knock back from monster attacks. We can effectively say that Ultimate Inferno will be better on 2+ mobs for any realistic scenario This is a huge difference from pre-hypers where UI was only used on mobs of 4+ assuming UI was maxed at all.

[b]Not from Sticked Guide: [/b] Do note that pre-level 186 a BM will either be on par with a MM or out-damage a MM in mobbing. Even after level 186 the gap is not that huge and granted that our 15 second GG has a wonderful vertical range the damage gap difference is more than acceptable.

Hurricane never beats GG and if I had to guess nobody should be using AR/AE unless they cap with it AND its a HUGE mob.

@bluebomber24: Look... most bm's have terrible damage
Only hurricane can make up for that
You look at skills like inferno and arrow rain that don't even compare to some of the other skills and you wonder why more bowmasters don't use those skills

@MeMagicalPie: uh no. What I said applies to ALL BMs.

@bluebomber24: You can use all your skills because you hit max or something
Normal bowmasters are stuck with hurricane because dpm output isn't high enough

[quote=MeMagicalPie]*cough* hurricane *cough*[/quote]

....What are you talking about? Bowmasters can now potentially use more skills than a MM. At a certain point a MM can use Snipe for mobing and even over Trueshot, a MM can know no other skill. Contrarily, after the update, a BM not only uses Hurricane but now uses Inferno on 2+ mobs and GG whenever its not on a cooldown.

BMs went from 1 skill to 3 skills.
Potentially, MMs went from 3 skills to 1 skill.

*cough* hurricane *cough*

[quote=DictionarE]hyper for ulti strafe:

1) ULTI STRAFE IS NOW A BUFF. LASTS 60 SECONDS COOLDOWN 120 SECONDS. DOUBLES NUMBER OF STRAFE HITS (YOU + BIRD = TWO PEOPLE = DOUBLE THE ATTACKS.OBVIOUSLY.). YOU AND YOUR ARTICUNO FUSE OR SOMETHING TO ADD COLD EFFECT TO ARROWS; ATTACKS SLOW MOVEMENT SPEED AND ATTACK SPEED OF TARGET UNIT (INCLUDES ALL BOSS MONSTERS) BY 50%; THIS INCLUDES ALL SPELL ANIMATIONS; HAS 10% CHANCE TO PRODUCE SOME KIND OF SNOW AVALANCHE STORM DEMON SKY CLOUD THAT DOES A SEPARATE 4000% PURE DAMAGE TO EVERY MONSTER IN A 1280X720 PIXEL RANGE;ALWAYS CRITS; COLD EFFECT APPLIED TO THIS SNOW AVALANCHE STORM DEMON SKY CLOUD HAIL. YOU NOW TAKE THE FORM OF YOUR ARTICUNO, EXCEPT WITH HANDS, A CROSSBOW AND YOUR FACE. YOU QUADRUPLE JUMP. YOU CAN GLIDE. YOU ARE GOD.[/quote]

Yes.

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UStrafe its not useless because its your 1vs1 main skill atleast until 195.

hyper for ulti strafe:

1) ULTI STRAFE IS NOW A BUFF. LASTS 60 SECONDS COOLDOWN 120 SECONDS. DOUBLES NUMBER OF STRAFE HITS (YOU + BIRD = TWO PEOPLE = DOUBLE THE ATTACKS.OBVIOUSLY.). YOU AND YOUR ARTICUNO FUSE OR SOMETHING TO ADD COLD EFFECT TO ARROWS; ATTACKS SLOW MOVEMENT SPEED AND ATTACK SPEED OF TARGET UNIT (INCLUDES ALL BOSS MONSTERS) BY 50%; THIS INCLUDES ALL SPELL ANIMATIONS; HAS 10% CHANCE TO PRODUCE SOME KIND OF SNOW AVALANCHE STORM DEMON SKY CLOUD THAT DOES A SEPARATE 4000% PURE DAMAGE TO EVERY MONSTER IN A 1280X720 PIXEL RANGE;ALWAYS CRITS; COLD EFFECT APPLIED TO THIS SNOW AVALANCHE STORM DEMON SKY CLOUD HAIL. YOU NOW TAKE THE FORM OF YOUR ARTICUNO, EXCEPT WITH HANDS, A CROSSBOW AND YOUR FACE. YOU QUADRUPLE JUMP. YOU CAN GLIDE. YOU ARE GOD.

[quote=Sektec]I wish ultimate strafe had hypers instead of snipe. Seriously, the snipe cooldown removal renders ultimate strafe completely useless, and that was my favourite skill!

I used to go Ustrafe for 1-3 mobs and piercing arrow for anything bigger, intermixed with a snipe every 7 seconds. Now it's pretty much just SNIPE SNIPE SNIPE SNIPE. Sure, it's ridiculously OP. But it gets rather stale being a 1 button class.

If you have any suggestions for ultimate strafe hypers, let's hear em.[/quote]

Well, it is OPTIONAL to put points into the Hyper Skill for Snipe. After that point, it really is not anything to complain about if it helps us,

If Ultimate Strafe is your favorite skill and you feel like crap over this change in snipe, then you can make the choice not to use that playstyle of spamming Snipe. Marksman only really have the 3 skills to spam, has always been like a 1 button class anyways and the playstyle you seem to mention is 1 button...

I do agree, however, that they could have added some reinforce for Ultimate Strafe, an extra line in dmg or even hitting multiple monsters at once. With Snipe and changes to Pierce however, kind of seems meaningless to do anything with Ultimate Strafe; Ultimate Strafe is a 1vs1 skill like Snipe, but Snipe clearly had more significance, power and hype by other players.

Snipe helps against bosses rather than Ultimate Strafe with the current changes, so that is why others and I don't find Ultimate Strafe very useful/efficient to use. Marksman are the efficient powerhouses of the archer class, this is expected.

You no newb Rach :]

No one said you have to stop using US. But I still disagree. If you want a harder time at bosses with everyone going up to you asking "wth not a lot of dmg is being done to the boss lol why aren't you using snipe? lol watta noob" every single time you go, go right ahead. I rest assure you that it [i]will[/i] get annoying.

I'm glad that Sniping was actually implemented as a hyper skill because it helps unfunded noobs like me hit harder on bosses easier. I still don't do max on each line on def resistant even with it but it's better than having lol under 150k per US line on those types of bosses.

Look at other classes, their hypers would surpass ours that easily if we didn't have the Sniping as our passive hyperskill boost.

[quote=Sektec]I used to go Ustrafe for 1-3 mobs and piercing arrow for anything bigger[/quote]

This is funny, because UStrafe was only strong enough to take on single mobs before being outclassed by Pierce. Since Snipe got Cooldown Cutter, [i]now[/i] you can use your main bossing skill to attack mobs of 1-3.

Dont put that point in snipe CD removal then

Well, nobody said you HAVE to use snipe...
And if UStrafe was to get hypers, I don't think it would be anything special, probably just the generic 20% increase and 1 extra line