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[quote=JeffieAran]OK, show me. You hit high numbers, but hit slow. I hit high, but I hit 16.66 shots a second with 110% damage. Now show me how long of a delay your attack is. 190x4 per hit. 760%. [b]Delay of Illusion is 960millseconds as of now, and that's ALMOST ONE SECOND per 760%.[/b] Ishtar's Ring's delay is 0.06 seconds, or 60 millseconds. In one second, I'll be able to deal 1833%, while you deal 800%. [b]That is a 1033% difference per second.[/b]

[url=http://shakar96.wordpress.com/2011/10/23/kmst-1-2-406-revamps/]This is where I found the delay of Illusion. Go down to Evan changes. It says (delay decreased: 960ms -> 660ms) That is the update for Union. Right now it's 960ms, after Union (march) will be 660ms.[/url]

Let's calculate the damage of Illusion after Union.

660ms=1.515 shots per second. Damage buffed to 380%x4, total 1520% per shot. Factor in delay, damage 2302% per second.

[b]Theorically, you win after Union's Advance due to Illusion doubled in damage and delay significiantly decreased.[/b]

Right now, we would beat you, but in Union, if given same funding (medium), a level 200 Evan SHOULD kill PB faster than a level 200 Mercedes.

However, there's one last thing to consider.

DAMAGE CAP.

Let's just give it that you hit 999999x4 on EVERY Illusion hits, no exceptions. Total damage=6,060,000 per second.
Mercedes will hit much lower per hit, give it 400000 per Ishtar. Damage=6,666,666 per second.

However, I do realize that a Mercedes hitting 400k will be much more difficult than an Evan hitting 400k. Factoring this in, most hits lands about 300k-400k, giving us RIGHT about the same damage. Even if we only hit 300k per ishtar, that's still about 5m per second. Most funded Mercedes hits damage cap on Ishtar. Those who don't come anywhere close to 500k per Ishtar will only suffer little difference in dpm against an Evan, if any.

The topic of whether a Mercedes is stronger than an Evan RIGHT NOW isn't even debateable. After Union, however, an Evan slightly outdamages a Mercedes (Evan=2302%, Mercedes=1833%) given low fundings on both. However, as funding increase on both classes, a Mercedes may win over an Evan by taking advantage that you can only do so much damage per hit, and that's 999,999.

The topic of whether a Mercedes wins over Evan in mobbing is pretty much straightfoward. Spikes Royale does 1140% per hit, along with Unicorn Spike (750%), Rolling Moonsault (1140%), Lightning Edge (1050%).

[b]I've listed all these information for you, because next time if you're going to argue that you Evan is stronger than my Mercedes, please use actual proof.[/b][/quote]

compare our fw with ss now

@JeffieAran I've been wondering for a while. Are the listed speeds of all skills based on just the skills by themselves or are other self-speed boosters factored in already?

[quote=kooless]Join us we have an awesome active community. <3[/quote]

We do , except the sole fact that TS is making an evan due to our revamp makes me not want him in our community...

[quote=Jack2193]@JeffieAran: im also very sure that ill hit much higher.[/quote]

OK, show me. You hit high numbers, but hit slow. I hit high, but I hit 16.66 shots a second with 110% damage. Now show me how long of a delay your attack is. 190x4 per hit. 760%. [b]Delay of Illusion is 960millseconds as of now, and that's ALMOST ONE SECOND per 760%.[/b] Ishtar's Ring's delay is 0.06 seconds, or 60 millseconds. In one second, I'll be able to deal 1833%, while you deal 800%. [b]That is a 1033% difference per second.[/b]

[url=http://shakar96.wordpress.com/2011/10/23/kmst-1-2-406-revamps/]This is where I found the delay of Illusion. Go down to Evan changes. It says (delay decreased: 960ms -> 660ms) That is the update for Union. Right now it's 960ms, after Union (march) will be 660ms.[/url]

Let's calculate the damage of Illusion after Union.

660ms=1.515 shots per second. Damage buffed to 380%x4, total 1520% per shot. Factor in delay, damage 2302% per second.

[b]Theorically, you win after Union's Advance due to Illusion doubled in damage and delay significiantly decreased.[/b]

Right now, we would beat you, but in Union, if given same funding (medium), a level 200 Evan SHOULD kill PB faster than a level 200 Mercedes.

However, there's one last thing to consider.

DAMAGE CAP.

Let's just give it that you hit 999999x4 on EVERY Illusion hits, no exceptions. Total damage=6,060,000 per second.
Mercedes will hit much lower per hit, give it 400000 per Ishtar. Damage=6,666,666 per second.

However, I do realize that a Mercedes hitting 400k will be much more difficult than an Evan hitting 400k. Factoring this in, most hits lands about 300k-400k, giving us RIGHT about the same damage. Even if we only hit 300k per ishtar, that's still about 5m per second. Most funded Mercedes hits damage cap on Ishtar. Those who don't come anywhere close to 500k per Ishtar will only suffer little difference in dpm against an Evan, if any.

The topic of whether a Mercedes is stronger than an Evan RIGHT NOW isn't even debateable. After Union, however, an Evan slightly outdamages a Mercedes (Evan=2302%, Mercedes=1833%) given low fundings on both. However, as funding increase on both classes, a Mercedes may win over an Evan by taking advantage that you can only do so much damage per hit, and that's 999,999.

The topic of whether a Mercedes wins over Evan in mobbing is pretty much straightfoward. Spikes Royale does 1140% per hit, along with Unicorn Spike (750%), Rolling Moonsault (1140%), Lightning Edge (1050%).

[b]I've listed all these information for you, because next time if you're going to argue that you Evan is stronger than my Mercedes, please use actual proof.[/b]

[quote=Jack2193]@JeffieAran: im also very sure that ill hit much higher.[/quote]

He (She?) is talking about the skill mechanics and damage output themselves, not about freaking funding.
The truth of the matter is, a Mercedes and an Evan with equal funding will have a difference in damage, the Evan losing to the Mercedes.

So yes, if you have more funding on your Evan than a Mercedes, you might do more damage. But nobody, and I mean [b]nobody[/b], calculates damage output based on funging when comparing different classes. Obviously the better funded, the better damage.

Mercedes hit harder, and hit faster. Evans hit hard, but attack slow.

OT: Still freaking worth it, just can't compare a freshly released, non-nerfed class to a classic like Evan.

[quote=Jack2193]@JeffieAran: ok I understand your point now, but back to reality. Who is going to have 999bil funding? Not an average player.
I'm also certain you don't. Nor do I. So I don't see how a merc is better than an Evan without 999bil funding?[/quote]

ok, then. 4bil funding. I'm 100% sure that I'll hit higher.

[quote=Jack2193]@JeffieAran: lol that makes no logical sense.
merc might hit fast but evans slower damage hit fewer but higher numbers.
i honestly can see the difference between merc and evan dmg, given the same funding.[/quote]

Did you see what I wrote? 999bil funding. While you hit 999999x3 I'll be hitting 999999x 16 2/3

Anyways, where's the logic hole in my statement that [b]Mercedes outdamage Evans in BOTH mobbing and 1v1 given same funding?[/b]

[quote=Jack2193]lol any class can have good dmg given enough funding.[/quote]

You give your Evan 999bil funding. I give my Mercedes 999bil funding.

Let's see who can solo Pink Bean the fastest.

THAT was what I meant. Evan has lower damage compared to other classes with same funding.

NL are going to get a revamp too.. I was thinking of jumping on my 92 Hermit but I like my Evan still
If your bored of your NL, Sure go ahead and play an evan but like me I sometimes regret quitting my other characters for my Evan.

Damage sucks compared to the OTHER buffed classes.

Flame me all you want.

[quote=FreakinJezus]I'd say don't play Evans just cause they're gonna get bandwagonned.
More reasons not to play them is 1-100 is horrible.
The dragon gets annoying after a while.
Damage will stay the same, only attack speed increases.
If you attacked 10 times a second but only hit 10k each compared to a guy who hit 100k 1 shot, you'd still look pretty noobie.
Another thing is lack of party useful skills. Only useful buff is that mp shroud and that's not until the higher levels.
Level 160 is a pain for last job.
160 skills are a dissapointment once you get there.

Pros on the other hand include:
Cool looking attacks and a cool mount.
Nice Mobbing skills.
All skills get maxed.[/quote]

Don't forget that you'd need first a large well of basic Magic Attack and Int until their few damage buffs take place.

I'd say don't play Evans just cause they're gonna get bandwagonned.
More reasons not to play them is 1-100 is horrible.
The dragon gets annoying after a while.
Damage will stay the same, only attack speed increases.
If you attacked 10 times a second but only hit 10k each compared to a guy who hit 100k 1 shot, you'd still look pretty noobie.
Another thing is lack of party useful skills. Only useful buff is that mp shroud and that's not until the higher levels.
Level 160 is a pain for last job.
160 skills are a dissapointment once you get there.

Pros on the other hand include:
Cool looking attacks and a cool mount.
Nice Mobbing skills.
All skills get maxed.

[quote=discodaveman]I don't see a TS, all I see is a huge bandwagoner.[/quote]

That started this thread. Therefore, he is a TS.

OT: Evans aren't too much fun in earlier levels, and 60-100 is just hell o.o After that, they start to become much more fun Evans are getting mega-revamped very soon, but if you're just going to make it for damage, don't bother because we don't need people like that

[quote=BslRuler]Yea , now after all those vieos of union patch
People get out from under the rocks like roaches just to make and evan becuase they are getting revamped

Be loyal to ur current job and stop the banwagoing[/quote]

Don't worry, Justice will ease the bandwagon by so much.
Thought it will mean the return of the Mechanics...

[quote=BslRuler]Yea , now after all those vieos of union patch
People get out from under the rocks like roaches just to make and evan becuase they are getting revamped

Be loyal to ur current job and stop the banwagoing[/quote]
you want loyalty to a class in a video game.
...why

how much is a good ele wand/staff for evans like average i might want to get one

[quote=shabbleach]

but are equips for evans hard to find and expensive[/quote]

%INT is currently one of the cheaper %s out there
but elewands/staffs aren't the cheapest, if you plan on getting one of those

[quote=elliotmechanic]If NX is not a problem how do you have low-funding[/quote]

im just talking about the books nothing else

but are equips for evans hard to find and expensive

I'm planning on continuing my Evan too ^-^
But idk what to use, wands or staffs?

Join us we have an awesome active community. <3

Evans are beautiful. <3

like in game play and funding and just plain on fun

Define "worth".