General

Bossing for Cubes

Hello!

After seeing @dextralbera's reddit post, I've become interested in farming bosses for cubes Specifically, investing in %drop equipment. Bosses don't seem to drop cubes as often as other people have said, and I've heard Commerci drops cubes quite frequently. Since %drop doesn't work in Commerci, would investing in those equips still be worth it (E.g. approximately when would %drop overtake the drop rate of Commerci)?
I know this is all speculation, but I want to hear others' opinions

August 7, 2015

14 Comments • Newest first

Turnnn

@axnslicer: lol im just too weak to boss those guys

Reply August 9, 2015
Axnslicer

[quote=turnnn]i get like maybe 1 cube every month from a boss lol and i use showdown and a spider i just leave it up to luck[/quote]

[quote=iheroyuri]I do all the bosses everyday with the exception of Cygnus, Lotus, Von Leon and Princess No. Doing these for about 3 weeks now and I've gotten about 3-4 cubes with big spider as well as Greed Pendant [/quote]

Sounds like you're not doing the right bosses.

I pretty regularly average 4-6 cubes a day. During 2x events, I get 20+ cubes a day with a card. I've actually gotten 3 cubes from several bosses before. The boss cube drop rates roughly follow this order.

1. CVellum
2. CVB
3. Hard Magnus
4. Empress
5. Madman Ranmaru
6. CPB
7. Hard Hilla
8. Ranmaru
9. Normal VL
10. PB
11. Czak
12. CHT

Then everything else is roughly about equal, or at least so low distinctions aren't really noticeable. Easy/Norm Ark. Easy Magnus, Krexel, VB, Zak, HT, and Hilla all have like 5% drop rate.

Reactor bosses not affected by drop rate:

1. CQueen
2. CPierre
3. Commerci
4. Queen
5. Pierre

Judging from your lack of cubes, you're probably missing at least a few of the ones on this list.

Reply August 8, 2015 - edited
Duzz

Ask the @Drextal man himself

Reply August 7, 2015 - edited
iHeroYuri

I do all the bosses everyday with the exception of Cygnus, Lotus, Von Leon and Princess No. Doing these for about 3 weeks now and I've gotten about 3-4 cubes with big spider as well as Greed Pendant

Reply August 7, 2015 - edited
Turnnn

[quote=axnslicer]Your question is poorly phrased. % drop rate never "overtakes" the drop rate of commerci. It merely increases the cubes dropped from non-commerci bosses.

Also, I'm sure you know already, but crafted cubes are terrible. Investing into drop gear is a decent idea though, for those who have sufficient damage to solo endgame bosses, or who spend significant amounts of time farming drops.

The drop gear order generally goes

1. Wolf Underling Familiar 1.6->2x multiplier for 5 B
2. 20% drop Earrings 1-2 B
3. 20% drop face/eye (or 15% tradable specs/branch nose) 2-4 B each
4. 20% Gollux Rings/Pendants 4-6 B each

Which nets you 2*(%100+8*%20) = 520% combined drop rate, approximately a 3x increase over your 1.6*100% = 160% drop rate just using a spider.

Commerci bosses generally drop around 7-10 cubes a week, assuming you're doing 3x4 = 12 Commerci bosses daily.

A full rotation of all the bosses Ranmaru/PB/Magnus/VL/Krexel/Czak/CHT/etc...will net you around 1-2 cubes a day at 160% drop rate, and 3-6 cubes a day at 520% drop rate. That translates into 10 ish cubes per week at baseline drop rate, and 30 ish cubes at 520% drop rate.

Now you can decide whether it's worth paying for extra drop rate.[/quote]

i get like maybe 1 cube every month from a boss lol and i use showdown and a spider i just leave it up to luck

Reply August 7, 2015 - edited
Axnslicer

[quote=shadowind7]Hello!

After seeing @dextralbera's reddit post, I've become interested in farming bosses for cubes Specifically, investing in %drop equipment. Bosses don't seem to drop cubes as often as other people have said, and I've heard Commerci drops cubes quite frequently. Since %drop doesn't work in Commerci, would investing in those equips still be worth it (E.g. approximately when would %drop overtake the drop rate of Commerci)?
I know this is all speculation, but I want to hear others' opinions[/quote]

Your question is poorly phrased. % drop rate never "overtakes" the drop rate of commerci. It merely increases the cubes dropped from non-commerci bosses.

Also, I'm sure you know already, but crafted cubes are terrible. Investing into drop gear is a decent idea though, for those who have sufficient damage to solo endgame bosses, or who spend significant amounts of time farming drops.

The drop gear order generally goes

1. Wolf Underling Familiar 1.6->2x multiplier for 5 B
2. 20% drop Earrings 1-2 B
3. 20% drop face/eye (or 15% tradable specs/branch nose) 2-4 B each
4. 20% Gollux Rings/Pendants 4-6 B each

Which nets you 2*(%100+8*%20) = 520% combined drop rate, approximately a 3x increase over your 1.6*100% = 160% drop rate just using a spider.

Commerci bosses generally drop around 7-10 cubes a week, assuming you're doing 3x4 = 12 Commerci bosses daily.

A full rotation of all the bosses Ranmaru/PB/Magnus/VL/Krexel/Czak/CHT/etc...will net you around 1-2 cubes a day at 160% drop rate, and 3-6 cubes a day at 520% drop rate. That translates into 10 ish cubes per week at baseline drop rate, and 30 ish cubes at 520% drop rate.

Now you can decide whether it's worth paying for extra drop rate.

Reply August 7, 2015 - edited
meowmeow3687

master cubes arent that bad that all..

you can easly get 2~3 a day if u do all bosses. in a week thats about 15+

from my experience, master craftsmans have a very good odds of raising epic>> unique, got many rank ups.

Reply August 7, 2015 - edited
DawnEmperor

Yeah I think Madman Ranmaru almost always drops a cubes.
I've gone like 2weeks without getting a cube from bosses. Then another day I got 3. It's just super luck.

Reply August 7, 2015 - edited
ksilsu

[quote=shadowind7]Thank you! I've considered the reward points thing, as I do normal Zak along with chaos everyday. But I think if one could get to the point where they could get 2 or 3 (meister) cubes a day, the reward points would be overshadowed

@Kurimu I thought only the mysterious and legendary veins dropped them :0[/quote]

Mhm, it also depends on how much time you're willing to put into farming cubes.
If I play for like 30 minutes, I would do commerci (tons of bosses in like 10 minutes), then Ranmaru.
Commerci is good because they drop cubics = 1/5 of a cube.
Also, Ranmaru is a must imo because (s)he drops cubics as well.

Reply August 7, 2015 - edited
kelvin8604

[quote=radiating]Meh master/meister cubes are terrible imo. They rarely ever rank up. I get the most cubes from zak/commerci/ranmaru. Where did you hear drop% didn't work in commerci? Do 2x cards and familiars work?[/quote]

Idk abt u but a mastercraftsman made my tyrant shoes unique

Reply August 7, 2015 - edited
Radiating

Meh master/meister cubes are terrible imo. They rarely ever rank up. I get the most cubes from zak/commerci/ranmaru. Where did you hear drop% didn't work in commerci? Do 2x cards and familiars work?

Reply August 7, 2015 - edited
shadowind7

[quote=ksilsu]Good question, but that would require us knowing the actual drop rate, and then you wouldn't have to ask this question

It also depends on how many bosses you can do. To try and beat the statistics, you can also just do more bosses as well. (Aka if you have 100 1% clean slates why not?)

Another thing to think about is Reward Points vs. Boss difficulty. Is it statistically better to do CHT twice or do CHT/HT because you get a guaranteed 1/20th of a cube? However, you can also override that by killing HT on a different char as well.

I'm just word vomiting, but just some things to think about [/quote]
Thank you! I've considered the reward points thing, as I do normal Zak along with chaos everyday. But I think if one could get to the point where they could get 2 or 3 (meister) cubes a day, the reward points would be overshadowed

@Kurimu I thought only the mysterious and legendary veins dropped them :0

Reply August 7, 2015 - edited
Kurimu

Just found a meister cube from mining a heart shaped mineral at SDH.

Reply August 7, 2015 - edited
ksilsu

Good question, but that would require us knowing the actual drop rate, and then you wouldn't have to ask this question

It also depends on how many bosses you can do. To try and beat the statistics, you can also just do more bosses as well. (Aka if you have 100 1% clean slates why not?)

Another thing to think about is Reward Points vs. Boss difficulty. Is it statistically better to do CHT twice or do CHT/HT because you get a guaranteed 1/20th of a cube? However, you can also override that by killing HT on a different char as well.

I'm just word vomiting, but just some things to think about

Reply August 7, 2015 - edited