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[quote=DragunBaine]@demonzero14 Oh, I thought he meant [b]at the moment[/b]. I know they have SE and bow mastery, I was just saying that with our max skills we can do even [b]more[/b] than they can [b]at the moment[/b].

Aren't we still on top of the dps due to snipe after jump, though?
Ummm doesn't our freezer in jump give us more watt? Isn't it like 15% or something?[/quote]

The only thing that gives us an edge at the moment is Snipe. I mentioned that they have SE and Bow Mastery and a Marksmanship equivalent because those are constants, skills that affect both of our classes equally... Although, it occurs to me now that SE and MMB's critical damage boosts affect us [i]slightly[/i] more than they do Bowmasters because of Snipe's 100% critical rate. Since that wasn't actually your question...
Spirit Link is a skill that both we and Bowmasters have that provides the exact same benefit to both classes, +15% damage. When comparing the two classes, Spirit Link can be left out. After the Jump patch we do less damage over time in pure percent per second (just our skills alone), unless we are fighting a boss with a high enough PDR for Snipe's 40% ignore defense to close the gap. Unless we're fighting the Empress or Pink Bean, that never happens. In addition to beating us in terms of %/second, Bowmasters gain that extra twenty W. Attack from Advanced Final Attack that we have to make up for somehow. They also have damage over time that we'd need to compete with, 140% every second for twelve seconds. The buffs we got in Chaos made us far better than Bowmasters, but the 5% more per hit we get from Ultimate Strafe, and the 40% ignore defense we get added to Snipe is just not enough to make up for the buffs that Bowmasters get.

We're still better at mobbing, though.

[quote=StrawberryS3]1. It hits 4 times now all critical. I don't remember if it changes in Jump but I know the animation gets better.
2. There is no damage cap if your like super godly you can probably hit 999k x 4.
3. Snipe has no animation so you might not be able to notice it unless you look hard. However it's used between every 3 strafes.[/quote]

1. It changes so that it ignores 40% of an enemy's defense. Everything else stays the same.
2. There is a damage cap, its cap is 999k.
3. Snipe can, at the very best, be used after every seven Strafes. Due to server lag this is more likely to be eight or nine Strafes per Snipe.

[quote=DragunBaine]You have no idea what marksmen are about AT ALL!

1mil dmg to one monster is enough, how much do you need? Snipe getting nerfed on bosses and only hitting 4x is also enough. You think I care? Course not. I'm not a power hungry snipe obsessed guy like you are >.>

Keep up with bowmasters? Are you serious bro? Bowmasters are having a hard time keeping up with us >.> Snipe adds greatly to our dpm and with max se/MMB/MMS AND great funding, I'd love to see a bowmaster even try to compete with me!

Try to learn something about Marksmen before you decide to play know-it-all buddy, you're only making yourself look bad.[/quote]
Bowmasters also get SE and an identical mastery skill. You are correct that we outdamage Bowmasters at the moment, however. Except you've neglected to mention that Bowmasters beat us on all monsters except for 70% PDR+ bosses after the Jump patch in terms of pure percent/second. In addition to this, they get thirty W. Attack from Advanced Final Attack that we Marksmen don't get.

1. It hits 4 times now all critical. I don't remember if it changes in Jump but I know the animation gets better.
2. There is no damage cap if your like super godly you can probably hit 999k x 4.
3. Snipe has no animation so you might not be able to notice it unless you look hard. However it's used between every 3 strafes.

[quote=Spideymuse]Nope, thats still your opinion. That's all it is, just cause you haven't seen it done doesnt make it a fact lol. What I'm looking for is someone that can say for sure that there isn't a mechanic in the database/extractions that restricts snipe from breaking the damage cap on bosses.

Kinda stupid that one normal mobs, it can only do 1mil max lol. It would be nice to see how high you could go.

If this is the state of Marksmen, man you guys have it bad, not saying this to any offense. You guys are good with mobs cause of pierce, but on bosses it would be hard to keep up with bowmasters. I have a lot of respect for you guys, that's all I'll say [/quote]
... What normal mob do you need to do more than one million damage to?

Also, when you factor in Snipe (assuming you get off one snipe after every seven Ultimate Strafes) we beat Bow Masters in % damage per second, so I'm not sure why you're acting so condescending to the class. We also beat them in actual damage per second if you'd care to look at the damage charts posted [url=http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=45256]here.[/url] Related to that previously-mentioned condescension, if you want to prove that you [b]can[/b] break the damage cap with Snipe, go right ahead. All you'll need is a very, VERY lucky marksman with a range maxing at 73,486 with maxed SE and maxed Snipe. I wish you luck. Until you do that, don't go calling someone out for not giving concrete proof when you haven't/can't give proof, either.

And you should turn your attention to this post, it answers most of your questions:
[quote=wrdaznchowme]I hope you guys have tried pierce. But multi mob hits have a different damage cap. On the first monsters its 999k, seconds its 1.2m, third is (1.4?)... I forget the rest though.

You can try this out at pyramid pq. Pierce "breaks" the damage cap but that's because nexon has a weird formula for the damage cap.
999k is only for a SINGLE hit thing. On anything that has a consecutive hit, there are different caps.

For example:
AE or AR will only hit 999k max because its a SINGLE hit.
IA and Pierce will pass the 999k max AFTER the 1st hit.[/quote]

[quote=bilbo3105]I agree TS we are woooooooeful bossers and we have no chance of keeping up with BMs [b]especially when Jump! arrives[/b].

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Whoops. I was wrong. We're actually beaten by Bow Masters after Jump, [i]unless[/i] we're fighting insanely high PDR monsters.

[quote=Beko]its not my opinion, its a fact ...
i guess no one reached the dmg cap, so we cant know.
I've seen Snipe dealing 850k dmg each hit[/quote]

Nope, thats still your opinion. That's all it is, just cause you haven't seen it done doesnt make it a fact lol. What I'm looking for is someone that can say for sure that there isn't a mechanic in the database/extractions that restricts snipe from breaking the damage cap on bosses.

Kinda stupid that one normal mobs, it can only do 1mil max lol. It would be nice to see how high you could go.

If this is the state of Marksmen, man you guys have it bad, not saying this to any offense. You guys are good with mobs cause of pierce, but on bosses it would be hard to keep up with bowmasters. I have a lot of respect for you guys, that's all I'll say

When Jump rolls around Snipe gains 40% PDR ignore, nothing else changes about the skill. Snipe currently cannot break the damage cap. No reason why it would, either.

1) On normal monsters, snipe hits once for 999k. On boss monsters, snipe hits 4 times, 900% each, with 100% chance of critical.

2) Piercing breaks damage cap, but I've seen no evidence of snipe being able to break damage cap (on boss monsters)

3) Most training videos don't utilize snipe because they want to mob fast and show off their control.

[quote=Beko]2. you'll never reach the damage cap of snipe[/quote]

I wasn't asking for your opinion. I was asking if there a damage cap for snipe at all.