Pokemon Showdown
Since Pokemon X/Y is already released or releasing soon, does anyone want to battle in memories of the most horrible generation yet?
edit: I was talking competitive-wise. There was too much of a power creep that what I liked about competitive battling in 4th gen was gone because of all these weather-type teams taking control. I'm don't dislike the Pokemon, but how the battling changed. :l
October 11, 2013
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[quote=imtwocats]People who don't play competitively don't care about tier lists though. There are other parts of Pokemon besides the battle mechanics anyways.[/quote]
And people who don't play competitively shouldn't really look at overpowered-types.
[quote=CouponGoddess]@imtwocats:
"Contests then? Select few people? Really, there aren't many innovative ways to take opinions from a large amount of people."
A contest would be a better idea.[/quote]
Contest it is then~
@imtwocats:
"Contests then? Select few people? Really, there aren't many innovative ways to take opinions from a large amount of people."
A contest would be a better idea.
"People who don't play competitively don't care about tier lists though. There are other parts of Pokemon besides the battle mechanics anyways."
Then there really isn't an issue about broken-ness and whatnot.
I can't really see anything broken except for the AI in the Battle tower/Subway which goes against you purposely (can't really explain)
[quote=CouponGoddess]@imtwocats:
"How do you know that? Have you played the game?"
No, you take type match-ups and stats and calculate how they're going to be.
So far, a lot of fairy Pokemon have been pretty crap for the exception of two or four.
Take into account that Steel no longer resists Dark and Ghost,
Fighting, Dragon, Dark all take 2x damage from Fairy.
Poison a pretty meh type is super effective against Fairy and Steel, an okay offensive type, is super effective against Fairy.[/quote]
Fair enough. Though they haven't been tested thoroughly I'm sure.
[quote=CouponGoddess]"So does that mean they should ignore their entire fan base because not everyone has the best suggestion ever? Come on now."
Suggest something innovative and creative then we'll talk. Not some "poll".[/quote]
Contests then? Select few people? Really, there aren't many innovative ways to take opinions from a large amount of people.
[quote=CouponGoddess]"There ARE things that are completely broken but ignored, and Game Freak has been "fixing" things that don't need fixing for years now. Though your definition of fixed and broken is most likely different than mine."
Broken Pokemon are banned from VCG and Smogon has their own tier called "Uber" for those super strong Pokemon/most legendaries.[/quote]
People who don't play competitively don't care about tier lists though. There are other parts of Pokemon besides the battle mechanics anyways.
[quote=imtwocats]Well still, do they balance the game too much, not enough, or just right? We don't know that yet, and that has some people concerned.[/quote]
Only time can tell. There's certainly a chance to be a threat though, but the biggest one so far is Azumarill which is well.. not really the BEST water type (though very very underrated). You can bet on Steel types who are the third most dominant after waters and dragons to stop these things. The thing is that the the competitive metagame shifts every Pokemon to the according tier in order to balance it. I'm not too concerned, but rather excited.
@imtwocats:
"How do you know that? Have you played the game?"
No, you take type match-ups and stats and calculate how they're going to be.
So far, a lot of fairy Pokemon have been pretty crap for the exception of two or four.
Take into account that Steel no longer resists Dark and Ghost,
Fighting, Dragon, Dark all take 2x damage from Fairy.
Poison a pretty meh type is super effective against Fairy and Steel, an okay offensive type, is super effective against Fairy.
"o does that mean they should ignore their entire fan base because not everyone has the best suggestion ever? Come on now."
Suggest something innovative and creative then we'll talk. Not some "poll".
"There ARE things that are completely broken but ignored, and Game Freak has been "fixing" things that don't need fixing for years now. Though your definition of fixed and broken is most likely different than mine."
Broken Pokemon are banned from VCG and Smogon has their own tier called "Uber" for those super strong Pokemon/most legendaries.
[quote=CouponGoddess]@imtwocats:
"Says who? Plenty of people would rather see the gen 1 Pokemon left the way they are. But I guess we'll see once it's released in a few hours"
Says people in my area.
There are people getting back into Pokemon JUST because of Megas and their old "friends" getting new things.[/quote]
And people in my area think they should just be left the way they are. It all comes down to opinions.
[quote=CouponGoddess]"I and a majority of people think they've been going downhill since gen 4-5."
Just because you people THINK they've been going downhill, doesn't mean they are. Gamefreak is doing great.
Gen IV and V really polished the series.
Who is this majority you're talking about exactly? I want to know. You know from people who ACTUALLY play the games, and play competitive.
I don't want to hear it from people who stopped playing 10 years ago or haven't even tried every installment in the series.
So who are these people?[/quote]
Game Freak is doing decent. Gen IV and V nearly ruined the series. Again, opinions.
I'm assuming we're talking about the exact same people, so really it's pretty useless to continue to argue about this.
[quote=CouponGoddess]
"However, there have been people who have been voicing concern that fairy types may be overpowered. Though again, we don't know yet."
Yeah no they're not overpowered.[/quote]
How do you know that? Have you played the game?
[quote=CouponGoddess]"though you really should work for EA with that kind of attitude. "
Thanks for really contributing with that. Really thanks. Idiot.[/quote]
Oh my. Congrats for resorting to insults. I'm making an analogy that EA doesn't care about their fanbase, not insulting you. Though it seems you clearly took offense to that, so I apologize.
[quote=CouponGoddess]But Nintendo/Gamefreak is a company and shouldn't listen to stupid suggestions like
"let's show u this design, all regunz in 1 game!, POKEMMO!, etc."
They know what they're doing, they're doing great at what they do, and should keep doing what they're doing.
Don't fix what ISN'T broken.[/quote]
So does that mean they should ignore their entire fan base because not everyone has the best suggestion ever? Come on now.
There ARE things that are completely broken but ignored, and Game Freak has been "fixing" things that don't need fixing for years now. Though your definition of fixed and broken is most likely different than mine.
@imtwocats:
"Says who? Plenty of people would rather see the gen 1 Pokemon left the way they are. But I guess we'll see once it's released in a few hours"
Says people in my area.
There are people getting back into Pokemon JUST because of Megas and their old "friends" getting new things.
"I and a majority of people think they've been going downhill since gen 4-5."
Just because you people THINK they've been going downhill, doesn't mean they are. Gamefreak is doing great.
Gen IV and V really polished the series.
Who is this majority you're talking about exactly? I want to know. You know from people who ACTUALLY play the games, and play competitive.
I don't want to hear it from people who stopped playing 10 years ago or haven't even tried every installment in the series.
So who are these people?
"However, there have been people who have been voicing concern that fairy types may be overpowered. Though again, we don't know yet."
Yeah no they're not overpowered.
"though you really should work for EA with that kind of attitude. "
Thanks for really contributing with that. Really thanks. Idiot.
But Nintendo/Gamefreak is a company and shouldn't listen to stupid suggestions like
"let's show u this design, all regunz in 1 game!, POKEMMO!, etc."
They know what they're doing, they're doing great at what they do, and should keep doing what they're doing.
Don't fix what ISN'T broken.
[quote=imtwocats]Well still, do they balance the game too much, not enough, or just right? We don't know that yet, and that has some people concerned.[/quote]
tbh, game balance seems pretty irrelevant when like half of the total pokemon aren't competitively viable
not to mention pokemon that aren't even balanced to be usable in single play
[quote=StrikeFreedm]They're made to balance the game. [/quote]
Well still, do they balance the game too much, not enough, or just right? We don't know that yet, and that has some people concerned.
[quote=imtwocats]I don't play competitively, so I don't have enough insight to say my opinion. However, there have been people who have been voicing concern that fairy types may be overpowered. Though again, we don't know yet.[/quote]
They're made to balance the game.
[quote=CouponGoddess]@imtwocats:
[b]"however mega evolutions are things that many people in the community do not want to see. People don't want the gen 1 Pokemon changed. "[/b]
Says who? Plenty of people think it's a great feature. Besides, the game hasn't come out yet.[/quote]
Says who? Plenty of people would rather see the gen 1 Pokemon left the way they are. But I guess we'll see once it's released in a few hours.
[quote=CouponGoddess]"Not having good ideas"
You think they're bad, I and a majority of people think they're doing just great. They have no reason to listen to fans. Fairy type ISN'T overpowered, Dragon was overpowered and it needed a nerf. Steel also needed a slight nerf.[/quote]
I and a majority of people think they've been going downhill since gen 4-5. They have plenty of reasons to listen to fans, though you really should work for EA with that kind of attitude.
I don't play competitively, so I don't have enough insight to say my opinion. However, there have been people who have been voicing concern that fairy types may be overpowered. Though again, we don't know yet.
@imtwocats:
[b]"however mega evolutions are things that many people in the community do not want to see. People don't want the gen 1 Pokemon changed. "[/b]
Says who? Plenty of people think it's a great feature. Besides, the game hasn't come out yet.
"Not having good ideas"
You think they're bad, I and a majority of people think they're doing just great. They have no reason to listen to fans. Fairy type ISN'T overpowered, Dragon was overpowered and it needed a nerf. Steel also needed a slight nerf.
[quote=CouponGoddess]@imtwocats: "They're still part of the Pokemon community regardless that they've grown up. They want to appeal to as many people as possible old and new and make Pokemon X and Y as successful as it can possibly be of course."
No, People who go "LOL NINTENDO ND POGEYMAN IS DYIN! HAHA I ONLY PLAY ORIGINAL GEN WIT 180 POKEMN!" Are not people in the community. They want to appeal to THOSE certain types of people to rake money off of them. Hence the 2DS release tomorrow as well.[/quote]
Oh come on. Do you really believe that every single person who played Pokemon as a kid now only enjoys the 1st generation of Pokemon? It's called nostalgia, which is why they've brought back 1st gen starters and Pokemon Origins. This appeals to all their old fans as I've said before.
[quote=CouponGoddess]". Mega Evolutions are not the way to go when trying to change competitive battling. I really wish they could've introduced something much more interesting instead of making this the gimmick of this generation."
See, that's where you're wrong. It's a brand new concept and will keep battles fresh and new. YOU might not think it's interesting and YOU might think they could've done something better, but this is HUGE for competitive just like the Fairy type.
The ONLY 'gimmick' this generation is the Pokemon Amie.[/quote]
So I'm wrong because my opinion is different from yours? Congrats. I never said that Mega Evolutions wouldn't bring something new to Pokemon, I said it was a bad idea that could've been replaced with better ideas. Fairy type also worries competitive players over fears of them being overpowered.
[quote=CouponGoddess]"Have you seen the amount of merchandise that has been sold in the US? I mean look at how many people flooded to Burger King for those gold Pokemon cards or the movie theaters for the ancient mew cards. I own plenty of merchandise myself, and most of it bought here."
Yeah see that was like 10 years ago.
You're failing to read my point.
[b]Pokemon MAY be a less popular here and people here MIGHT think the franchise is dying or the company is running out of ideas,[/b]
[b]but it's still HUGE in Japan, they have a ton merchandise in Japan, etc. Just like Digimon. America made it irrelevant HERE, but it's still big in Japan[/b][/quote]
And you're failing to even bother to try to see my point. International sales make up the majority of their sales in games and merchandise. This is a fact. Pokemon has never been irrelevant in American markets. There are people currently lining up at Gamestop's across the country waiting for the release of X and Y, many with limited edition Pokemon X and Y 3DS's and various other Pokemon merchandise.
Anyways, I'm not saying Nintendo is running out of ideas, I'm saying they are struggling to come up with good ones. Which is why they should turn to fans to take their feedback on what they want to see in say, gen 7 and beyond.
[quote=CouponGoddess]"I never said I wanted Pokemon to go anywhere. I just simply want them to listen to what the fans want more often. And if you think it's stupid that they should listen to their fans, than I'm sure you'd be happy playing EA games. As for digimon, I've never even heard of it being popular in the modern day, and yu-gi-oh is still fairly popular in America. Though I don't see what that has to do with Pokemon"
[b]Contradiction to your previous point, they're doing A LOT of pandering with the Gen 1 starters, Mewtwo, and Charizard with 2 MEGA EVOS[/b]
That poll thing is STILL one of the stupidest things I've heard. Take it from a bunch of people who think Charizard is the MOST powerful Pokemon.
Yeah no, I'll pass. Gamefreak is doing just fine right now and your 'ideas' need to be reorganized or thrown away.[/quote]
What are you talking about? What contradiction? I know they're doing a lot of gen 1 things, however mega evolutions are things that many people in the community do not want to see. People don't want the gen 1 Pokemon changed.
So what if people think Charizard is the most powerful Pokemon? The poll isn't "which Pokemon is strongest." It's "Here's a Pokemon idea. Do you guys like it? Yes/No." Really, you've constantly failed to see how important fan feedback is, and how important a global market is. I'm just throwing in ideas and then they can be worked on via constructive criticism or something else. You just blatantly disregard them in favor of "Game Freak is doing everything right, and the fans are wrong." This is the kind of stubborn pride which has killed many industries before. Thankfully, Game Freak and Nintendo are more open than that.
@DrPebble: okay
get it soon sonnn
and X/Y should shake things up with Megas, right?
not that weather teams will get shafted bc even MegaYCharizard is perfect (?) for a weather team...but still, more options being added to metagame
@DrPebble:
Ew Black and white anime </3 </3 </3
Read, not the anime, but a TV game show.
Also....
Are you getting X and Y?
@imtwocats: "They're still part of the Pokemon community regardless that they've grown up. They want to appeal to as many people as possible old and new and make Pokemon X and Y as successful as it can possibly be of course."
No, People who go "LOL NINTENDO ND POGEYMAN IS DYIN! HAHA I ONLY PLAY ORIGINAL GEN WIT 180 POKEMN!" Are not people in the community. They want to appeal to THOSE certain types of people to rake money off of them. Hence the 2DS release tomorrow as well.
". Mega Evolutions are not the way to go when trying to change competitive battling. I really wish they could've introduced something much more interesting instead of making this the gimmick of this generation."
See, that's where you're wrong. It's a brand new concept and will keep battles fresh and new. YOU might not think it's interesting and YOU might think they could've done something better, but this is HUGE for competitive just like the Fairy type.
The ONLY 'gimmick' this generation is the Pokemon Amie.
"Have you seen the amount of merchandise that has been sold in the US? I mean look at how many people flooded to Burger King for those gold Pokemon cards or the movie theaters for the ancient mew cards. I own plenty of merchandise myself, and most of it bought here."
Yeah see that was like 10 years ago.
You're failing to read my point.
[b]Pokemon MAY be a less popular here and people here MIGHT think the franchise is dying or the company is running out of ideas,[/b]
[b]but it's still HUGE in Japan, they have a ton merchandise in Japan, etc. Just like Digimon. America made it irrelevant HERE, but it's still big in Japan[/b]
"I never said I wanted Pokemon to go anywhere. I just simply want them to listen to what the fans want more often. And if you think it's stupid that they should listen to their fans, than I'm sure you'd be happy playing EA games. As for digimon, I've never even heard of it being popular in the modern day, and yu-gi-oh is still fairly popular in America. Though I don't see what that has to do with Pokemon"
[b]Contradiction to your previous point, they're doing A LOT of pandering with the Gen 1 starters, Mewtwo, and Charizard with 2 MEGA EVOS[/b]
That poll thing is STILL one of the stupidest things I've heard. Take it from a bunch of people who think Charizard is the MOST powerful Pokemon.
Yeah no, I'll pass. Gamefreak is doing just fine right now and your 'ideas' need to be reorganized or thrown away.
[quote=CouponGoddess]@imtwocats: Correction: A Majority of the people they USED to market to has grown up. Hence the pandering for old players in X and Y, they want to reel in more money for old players (it's working). While Mega Evolutions ARE Silly, kind of OTT, and a stupid way to replace proper evolutions for old Pokemon, it's a game changing feature that is going to spice up the competitive metagame.
[b]The thing is, their CORE audience has always been kids. I don't know why you fail to see that.[/b]
EX: Fodder like Oshawott, Axew, Snivy, Emolga in the Anime.
Do not confuse Nintendo for Gamefreak. Yes, Nintendo has been kind of sluggish, but Gamefreak/Creatures Inc. has been swimming in boat loads of money with Merchandise, spin-offs , etc.
America does NOT love Pokemon as much as Japan does and you're blind and delusional to think that. I LOVE Pokemon, but the Japanese have restaurants and so much propaganda of Pokemon; hell, they even have their own TV SHOW. Not the anime, but a TV SHOW.
Do you see that in America? No.
[b]Americans don't like the newer generations because most of America is adamant to change. Japan just takes in the new installments and loves them.[/b]
International sales are great and all but the MAIN thing they focus on is Merchandising.
Lots and LOTS of merchandising. They crap out new cute fodder every other year and the Japanese love it.
Your poll thing is stupid because designs will ALWAYS be subjective. You can have the most popular Pokemon, and someone will still hate it.
For each Pokemon, there will be AT LEAST 10 people who like it.
Pokemon isn't going anywhere any time soon and you thinking that they're running out of ideas or should listen to their fans is a really stupid idea.
Take Digimon and Yu-Gi-Oh, both FORGOTTEN series in America with a small but united fanbase, but in Japan, it's HUUUUGE still. Not Pokemon-tier huge but still huge over there.
Apply yourself.
tl;dr
Americans don't like change
Japan and Nintendo doesn't care
They'll keep making Pokemon
Fan ideas will never happen
It's all about merchandising
Do more research.[/quote]
They're still part of the Pokemon community regardless that they've grown up. They want to appeal to as many people as possible old and new and make Pokemon X and Y as successful as it can possibly be of course. Mega Evolutions are not the way to go when trying to change competitive battling. I really wish they could've introduced something much more interesting instead of making this the gimmick of this generation.
[b]Their core audience has CHANGED. They target every demographic now.[/b]
The anime is meant for kids, I admit that. (Except Pokemon Origins and a few other specials) However the games and various other forms of entertainment and media have always been targeted towards everyone at any age.
Japan always goes overboard with everything. They just simply have a different culture than Americans do and a different way of expressing what they enjoy. That doesn't mean that America doesn't love Pokemon. Talk to any American who grew up in the 90's or early 2000's watching cartoons and they'll tell you that Pokemon was a huge part of their childhood. Go to any gaming convention and you'll see people cosplaying as Pokemon characters, exchanging streetpass information, having pokemon battles, etc. Pokemon has always had huge influence in America. But that doesn't really matter. Fact is, both countries love Pokemon and both countries have huge amounts of fans dedicated to the series. Nintendo and Game Freak should not exclusively put either country ahead of the other.
Humanity itself has always been adamant to change. Just because America has been more vocal about their dislikes, does not mean they don't enjoy Pokemon games. In fact, this can be argued that Americans care more about Pokemon than Japan because they care more about the quality of the series. But I won't get into that, because both countries enjoy Pokemon.
Have you seen the amount of merchandise that has been sold in the US? I mean look at how many people flooded to Burger King for those gold Pokemon cards or the movie theaters for the ancient mew cards. I own plenty of merchandise myself, and most of it bought here.
The poll is meant to see what people like or dislike. I don't see what's so hard about this. If a Pokemon idea gets say, 80% more positive votes than negative ones, it gets put into the game. If not, it doesn't or gets put aside for another poll in the future. It's a way for the Nintendo and Game Freak to gain insight on what the community is interested in. This is just an idea.
I never said I wanted Pokemon to go anywhere. I just simply want them to listen to what the fans want more often. And if you think it's stupid that they should listen to their fans, than I'm sure you'd be happy playing EA games. As for digimon, I've never even heard of it being popular in the modern day, and yu-gi-oh is still fairly popular in America. Though I don't see what that has to do with Pokemon.
tl;dr
Humans don't like change.
Nintendo obviously cares, if they don't then they'll be losing out on a lot of fans.
I know they'll be making more Pokemon. However how good or bad it is depends on if they'll listen to fans.
Fan ideas have already happened, and will continue to happen.
Merchandise means nothing without people to buy it.
Nintendo operates on a global market. You clearly don't understand this.
Please do your research first before asking me to do more.
[quote=Floral]@StrikeFreedm:
really?
My favorite pokemon is quite similar. Lapras.
NARWHALE NARWHALE...
although lapras isn't really a narwhale.[/quote]
My favourite water type is...Wailord. LOL
@CouponGoddess it seems we're finally both online. My name is Equinoctial if you can challenge me
@StrikeFreedm:
really?
My favorite pokemon is quite similar. Lapras.
NARWHALE NARWHALE...
although lapras isn't really a narwhale.
@imtwocats: Correction: A Majority of the people they USED to market to has grown up. Hence the pandering for old players in X and Y, they want to reel in more money for old players (it's working). While Mega Evolutions ARE Silly, kind of OTT, and a stupid way to replace proper evolutions for old Pokemon, it's a game changing feature that is going to spice up the competitive metagame.
[b]The thing is, their CORE audience has always been kids. I don't know why you fail to see that.[/b]
EX: Fodder like Oshawott, Axew, Snivy, Emolga in the Anime.
Do not confuse Nintendo for Gamefreak. Yes, Nintendo has been kind of sluggish, but Gamefreak/Creatures Inc. has been swimming in boat loads of money with Merchandise, spin-offs , etc.
America does NOT love Pokemon as much as Japan does and you're blind and delusional to think that. I LOVE Pokemon, but the Japanese have restaurants and so much propaganda of Pokemon; hell, they even have their own TV SHOW. Not the anime, but a TV SHOW.
Do you see that in America? No.
[b]Americans don't like the newer generations because most of America is adamant to change. Japan just takes in the new installments and loves them.[/b]
International sales are great and all but the MAIN thing they focus on is Merchandising.
Lots and LOTS of merchandising. They crap out new cute fodder every other year and the Japanese love it.
Your poll thing is stupid because designs will ALWAYS be subjective. You can have the most popular Pokemon, and someone will still hate it.
For each Pokemon, there will be AT LEAST 10 people who like it.
Pokemon isn't going anywhere any time soon and you thinking that they're running out of ideas or should listen to their fans is a really stupid idea.
Take Digimon and Yu-Gi-Oh, both FORGOTTEN series in America with a small but united fanbase, but in Japan, it's HUUUUGE still. Not Pokemon-tier huge but still huge over there.
Apply yourself.
tl;dr
Americans don't like change
Japan and Nintendo doesn't care
They'll keep making Pokemon
Fan ideas will never happen
It's all about merchandising
Do more research.
[quote=Floral]@StrikeFreedm:
No, I just like your ign.[/quote]
Oh, haha thanks n_n It's actually one of my favourite Pokemon
@StrikeFreedm:
No, I just like your ign.
[quote=Floral]Why is your ign Oshawott sir.[/quote]
I didn't mean the pokemon, but the battling. :s
[quote=CouponGoddess]They're not struggling, you're just not interested in Pokemon anymore. Don't confuse your loss of interest in the franchise as a company struggling.
They're also a company whos main market is children. They have to appeal to children "IE: Flashy Mega evolutions".
A poll for Pokemon made by Nintendo is so stupid because designs and opinions on designs are completely subjective and it'd be mass chaos.
I mean if a couple of Americans don't like Pokemon, they don't care because they have a HUGE market in Japan and it's still booming over there.
You're probably going to ignore my post too.[/quote]
The majority of their market has grown up. Nintendo isn't ignorant to that, hence Pokemon Origins and gen 1 starters. This of course also helps introduce younger and newer fans into the series, while helping to bring in old fans who have genuinely lost interest. Now as for me, I still love Pokemon, which is why I'm disappointed in some of the choices Nintendo has made. If I had lost interest, I wouldn't be voicing my opinions about it so openly about it and not even bother with the games themselves. Nintendo has been struggling to compete in the modern day markets, simple as that.
Mega Evolutions are silly. It's not going to attract new fans. They've already done what they need to do to attract younger audiences and more, but ignoring their core audience is probably the easiest way for a company to go down under. A poll is to organize the opinions into something that shows what the majority of people like or dislike about a certain idea or Pokemon, and helps to lower down the constant rants across the fanbase by introducing Pokemon a lot of people enjoy.
Why do you think it's just Americans who dislike the new generations? America loves Pokemon just as much as Japan does, however that doesn't change the fact that people dislike parts of it. They have a huge market back here in America they have to concentrate on, as well as the markets in the rest of the world. International sales probably make up the bulk of their income at the end of the day.
And I'm not ignoring anyone.
@0Lumina: I know. I'm saying I would be interested in a game made up of fan-made Pokemon and Pokemon made by Nintendo, using a community poll or some other method of having fans include or exclude Pokemon ideas, not a game solely made by fans.
Gen 5 was my least fav. I regret getting W and B2. I'm willing to trade them for Platinum and HG if anyone's up for it.
5th gen was great, people make huge deals about the designs of a handful Pokemon, yet the rest are really solid designs. 4th gen was awful, as was 2nd. Still would put my money on 2nd being worst.
[quote=RandomUsername]damn gurl i was about to post that[/quote]
Haha see what I said above
[quote=CouponGoddess]Just because you don't like it and some Amerifats don't like it, doesn't mean it's not HUGE in Japan.
lol fan designs... I'll admit some are good but most are complete crap[/quote]
damn gurl i was about to post that
[quote=imtwocats]I meant an entire game of fan designed Pokemon picked out by Nintendo and the fans, or at least a community poll for people to vote on Pokemon made by Nintendo to see which ones get put in the games and which ones don't. It's obvious that they're struggling to find new ways to expand the Pokemon world, and they've got a huge dedicated fanbase willing to help them at any step. But it seems like, at least to me, they're ignoring most of the feedback and ideas, which is continuing to make each generation worse than the previous.[/quote]
They're not struggling, you're just not interested in Pokemon anymore. Don't confuse your loss of interest in the franchise as a company struggling.
They're also a company whos main market is children. They have to appeal to children "IE: Flashy Mega evolutions".
A poll for Pokemon made by Nintendo is so stupid because designs and opinions on designs are completely subjective and it'd be mass chaos.
I mean if a couple of Americans don't like Pokemon, they don't care because they have a HUGE market in Japan and it's still booming over there.
You're probably going to ignore my post too.
I prefer 4th gen more than 5th gen mainly because of the legends. I mean, cmon! They're pretty much gods! (especially Arceus)
@imtwocats: I honestly don't know if you realize this but the best 6th gen pokemon ARENT fan made they are made by gamefreak and the fact that you dont realize that there has to be a balance in the game that the fans don't account for.... basically if we had a fan made game it would be chaos they would be better off re-making Hoen
pokemon heartgold and soulsilver saved gen 4
[quote=0Lumina]Read up Gen. 6 has some fan designed pokemon in it
so by your logic Gen 6 = best?
Gen 2 is by far my favorite tho i would personally like to say that most of the games have pro's and con's alot seem to like Black and White for storyline....
i have no opinion on Gen 5 i skipped it completely im comming back for Gen 6 tho [/quote]
I meant an entire game of fan designed Pokemon picked out by Nintendo and the fans, or at least a community poll for people to vote on Pokemon made by Nintendo to see which ones get put in the games and which ones don't. It's obvious that they're struggling to find new ways to expand the Pokemon world, and they've got a huge dedicated fanbase willing to help them at any step. But it seems like, at least to me, they're ignoring most of the feedback and ideas, which is continuing to make each generation worse than the previous.
Why is your ign Oshawott sir.
[quote=imtwocats]Each generation is getting worse and worse. I'm still waiting until Nintendo finally gives in and looks up fan designed Pokemon instead of coming up with these horrible ideas.[/quote]
Read up Gen. 6 has some fan designed pokemon in it
so by your logic Gen 6 = best?
Gen 2 is by far my favorite tho i would personally like to say that most of the games have pro's and con's alot seem to like Black and White for storyline....
i have no opinion on Gen 5 i skipped it completely im comming back for Gen 6 tho
[quote=imtwocats]Each generation is getting worse and worse. I'm still waiting until Nintendo finally gives in and looks up fan designed Pokemon instead of coming up with these horrible ideas.[/quote]
Just because you don't like it and some Amerifats don't like it, doesn't mean it's not HUGE in Japan.
lol fan designs... I'll admit some are good but most are complete crap
I quit playing pokemon when i got diamond and pearl. I just cant buy 10000 ds's I already have a lite and a dsi which i regret buying the dsi. I would love to sell/trade my dsi for the newer version of it though. i want to play animal crossing.
4th gen Imo was the best. While 5th gen had some of the best designs in Pokemon history, it also had some of the worst. Although I will admit Stealth Rocks dominated 4th gen metagame, but that was the gen I played competitive in, so I don't really care lol. Didn't bother updating myself with the new metagame.
Each generation is getting worse and worse. I'm still waiting until Nintendo finally gives in and looks up fan designed Pokemon instead of coming up with these horrible ideas.
Worst are 2nd and 5th, by far. Best are 3rd gen and 6th gen <3
@StrikeFreedm: what's your name?
ITT: People endlessly arguing about subjective stuff not related to main topic.
[quote=CouponGoddess]That's weird... I mean a really weird way to call Gen IV the best gen.
Eh it's a good gen.
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Anyone wanna play against me? OU? CouponQueen.
Also, Gen V wasn't that bad.[/quote]
I'll battle you
2nd and 3rd gen were the best
My favorite game out of all of them would have to be Black and White. Having more story was really enjoyable for me. =P
Stopped after 4th gen, pokemon started being weird
[quote=HobosCanFly]but the worst gen was 4th, 5th was cool[/quote]
That's weird... I mean a really weird way to call Gen IV the best gen.
Eh it's a good gen.
OT:
Anyone wanna play against me? OU? CouponQueen.
Also, Gen V wasn't that bad.
[quote=GreatRomantic]No. The 3rd gen (maybe the 5th) is the worst/most boring. Platinum is the funnest/most interesting of the Pokemon games I've played.[/quote]
even tought 3rd sint my fav you cant say its the worst