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[quote=SombraManx]in b4 nexon nerfinc SAC xD[/quote]

That's when I will forever lose hope for the drk class.

[quote=iChosenDream]Yay Sacrifice![/quote]

in b4 nexon nerfing SAC xD

[quote=darkspawn980]@sumyounguy: we're batmans right now though... you can't go any more awesome that batman, title-wise[/quote]

True batman is cool but I want drks to be awesome and cool not just 1 of the 2.

After talking to several paladins, i stand corrected. Blast is in fact 31% PDR ignore instead of 31% chance to ignore all defense. Nexon is really lacking attention toward Paladins. Apparently charges still do not work on bosses.

@sumyounguy: we're batmans right now though... you can't go any more awesome that batman, title-wise

[quote=darkspawn980]@sumyounguy: yea, it's the only bright side, however sacrifice still sucks major balls damage-wise, especially since it doesn't have any hypers for it (lol hyper body hypers f3)[/quote]

I face palmed so hard... I wanted Drk's to be on par or at the very least some what okay. I hope 5th job comes and make drks warlords or something. You can't suck being the lord of war!

Yay Sacrifice!

@sumyounguy: yea, it's the only bright side, however sacrifice still sucks major balls damage-wise, especially since it doesn't have any hypers for it (lol hyper body hypers f3)

[quote=darkspawn980]@sumyounguy: he isn't, PDR post-unlimited is a HUGE pain in general, you don't just want sources of PDR, you want BIG sources of PDR ignore, otherwise the effect becomes nerfed.

edit: oh, and answering the original question, no, physical resistance has nothing to do with PDR and PDR reduction

@David0696: buccs do have a skill like that, so do mercs, however pally's blast (although described that way) works in the normal fashion, ignoring just 30% PDR on every strike.[/quote]

The only positive to this is that darks sacrifice isn't obsolete. I really don't like the new PDR system though. It's okay right now but honestly a huge pain.

@sumyounguy: he isn't, PDR post-unlimited is a HUGE pain in general, you don't just want sources of PDR, you want BIG sources of PDR ignore, otherwise the effect becomes nerfed.

edit: oh, and answering the original question, no, physical resistance has nothing to do with PDR and PDR reduction

@David0696: buccs do have a skill like that, so do mercs, however pally's blast (although described that way) works in the normal fashion, ignoring just 30% PDR on every strike.

[quote=David0696]Let's say you are fighting Chaos Pink Bean. His defense is -180% damage. You have several things that ignore defense. Instead of summing the numbers up, you have to calculate damage lost differently. Let's say you have the following things that ignore defense (just giving a random scenario).
Leafre Set on Codex: 30%
Weapon: 15%, 15% (NOT the same as 30% once the change is made)
Skill: 30%
Ambition: 10%
Link Skill: 10%
Right now these add up to ignoring 110% defense. Right now if some person had these ignore defense stats, they would ignore ALL defense.

The new system would calculate the damage lost due to CPB's defense differently as shown.
[CPB DEF][1-30%][1-15%][1-15%][1-30%][1-10%][1-10%]
= [-180%][70%][85%][85%][70%][90%][90%]
= [-1.8][.7][.85][.85][.7][.9][.9]
= 0.51616845
= 51.616845%
Even though CPB's defense right now would have no effect, after the change, CPB would take away ~52% of your damage.
Even after cutting your damage by over half, CPB is physically resistant. So take that and cut it in half again.
Also notice how two lines of ignoring 15% defense is less effective than one line of ignoring 30% defense simply because:
(.85)(.85)>(.7)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81w7-oNCfa0
Videos like this show how monster defense really plays a role in damage reduction.

Hope this helped you understand what I meant. Of course CPB is an extreme but it's something people who plan on bossing should think about. I was told this would be what would happen later on but I still want confirmation.[/quote]

Sounds like a pain... We already have increased monster HP and now PDR is going to be a huge obstacle. Thanks for the detailed explanation. I hope you're wrong though.

[quote=sumyounguy]Sounds good later on. Mind explaining how this new PDR system works?[/quote]

Let's say you are fighting Chaos Pink Bean. His defense is -180% damage. You have several things that ignore defense. Instead of summing the numbers up, you have to calculate damage lost differently. Let's say you have the following things that ignore defense (just giving a random scenario).
Leafre Set on Codex: 30%
Weapon: 15%, 15% (NOT the same as 30% once the change is made)
Skill: 30%
Ambition: 10%
Link Skill: 10%
Right now these add up to ignoring 110% defense. Right now if some person had these ignore defense stats, they would ignore ALL defense.

The new system would calculate the damage lost due to CPB's defense differently as shown.
[CPB DEF][1-30%][1-15%][1-15%][1-30%][1-10%][1-10%]
= [-180%][70%][85%][85%][70%][90%][90%]
= [-1.8][.7][.85][.85][.7][.9][.9]
= 0.51616845
= 51.616845%
Even though CPB's defense right now would have no effect, after the change, CPB would take away ~52% of your damage.
Even after cutting your damage by over half, CPB is physically resistant. So take that and cut it in half again.
Also notice how two lines of ignoring 15% defense is less effective than one line of ignoring 30% defense simply because:
(.85)(.85)>(.7)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81w7-oNCfa0
Videos like this show how monster defense really plays a role in damage reduction.

Hope this helped you understand what I meant. Of course CPB is an extreme but it's something people who plan on bossing should think about. I was told this would be what would happen later on but I still want confirmation.

[quote=David0696]MP -25, Damage: 204%, DEF Ignore Chance: 31%, Additional Crit Rate: 52%, Instant Death Chance: 11%

From that I would think that there is 31% chance to ignore ALL defense. However it would not apply to resistances like physical resist on Pink Bean, Empress, Hilla.
So, a guy named Bob used Blast 100 times. 31 of the times he ignored all the defense. 69 times he ignored the normal amount of defense that he usually does.

At the Buccaneer reference, I think they have a skill that lets them ignore ALL defense at a 40% chance. However, the other 60% of the time they attack, their defense ignore is calculated normally.

Although not known to many people now, ignoring ALL defense becomes oh so incredibly imperative once the PDR system becomes multiplicative instead of additive. For classes like the Hero, I'll never be able to ignore all defense once the change is made around Unlimited patch.[/quote]

Sounds good later on. Mind explaining how this new PDR system works?

MP -25, Damage: 204%, DEF Ignore Chance: 31%, Additional Crit Rate: 52%, Instant Death Chance: 11%

From that I would think that there is 31% chance to ignore ALL defense. However it would not apply to resistances like physical resist on Pink Bean, Empress, Hilla.
So, a guy named Bob used Blast 100 times. 31 of the times he ignored all the defense. 69 times he ignored the normal amount of defense that he usually does.

At the Buccaneer reference, I think they have a skill that lets them ignore ALL defense at a 40% chance. However, the other 60% of the time they attack, their defense ignore is calculated normally.

Although not known to many people now, ignoring ALL defense becomes oh so incredibly imperative once the PDR system becomes multiplicative instead of additive. For classes like the Hero, I'll never be able to ignore all defense once the change is made around Unlimited patch.

[quote=xxxmilkboyxx]@FreeWii4Mii doesnt blast say [b][/b]chance to ignore instead of defense ignored?[/quote]

almost certain it is a mistake
try fighting hilla, you won't see yourself suddenly hit 1.5 - 2x higher sometimes, which you would if it was chance to ignore all defense

@FreeWii4Mii doesnt blast say [b][/b]chance to ignore instead of defense ignored?

blast grants 31% pdr (not 31% chance to ignore all pd)

I was only asking because bucc's get a skill with similar description. Their skill allows them to do full damage on bosses like emp/hilla/mag. Okay thanks for the answers.