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Anyone endgame using Terminus Vanquisher/Desperado?

Thinking of side maining a Demon Avenger and with primes out, really debating on the best weapon to scroll. The Vanquisher seems really unique with its Fast attack speed. Do you guys think the one step of attack (~8% dmg) is worth it, not only stats wise, but synergystically with other set effects? Really hoping to catch someone with experience using one or has done some calculations :X

February 4, 2015

8 Comments • Newest first

TaintedZero

Wow thanks so much for the input, everyone! Didn't think anyone would even post, much less post with the information that I was really looking for. Think I'll actually end up going this route (Vanquisher), along with a good SW set and yolo for as much atk as possible.

While Inner Ability would indeed be nice, I doubt it'll be in my stars, sadly. I managed to get it pre-honor revamp on my BaM and didn't know/forgot to lock it when the new system released. 80+ circulations later, I still can't get it back.

Reply February 5, 2015
GoXDS

@SlyOne: not too familiar with DA skills but seems like the bulk of the work was already done

Reply February 5, 2015
PlayThatMelody

[quote=LordPsych]lol woops my bad lack of sleep is truly op

also, I meant i dont know how fast it ticks (ie: arrow platter used to fire every 80ms, hurricane fires every 120ms, mille aguilles and beam dance ticks a bit slower than that even)

It's that I don't know how many times nether shield hits the boss every second[/quote]

It varies, so it's impossible to tell, but that doesn't really matter since you can treat Nether Shield as a stackable DoT. You can assume it's a giant hit for 20,000% (500% per hit, 2 hits per shield, 2 shields, 10 bounces each) with some variance because after you toss the shields, you don't use any further delay and can go back to using Execution while the shields compile that 20,000% automatically. The shields are also stackable so multiple casts can overlap without canceling the other one out. There is some error in short term scenarios but it works reasonably well with long term ones.

Reply February 5, 2015 - edited
LordPsych

[quote=PlayThatMelody]Careful...The correct multiplier is (1+(boss damage/100)) ~> 4.26 and 4.56.

Treat it as DoT or burst damage per cast.

TS: It would be reasonable to use a Terminus desperado. The attack speed is pretty useful but not as useful compared to other jobs since swapping between two different skills is less efficient than jobs that can just hold a key down all the way. The missing boss damage is not largely significant, especially when you will hold a large amount of it, so there's really no harm in skipping out on it. Also note that while the extra speed is useful, it can always be matched out with an Inner Ability and Decent Speed Infusion.[/quote]

lol woops my bad lack of sleep is truly op

also, I meant i dont know how fast it ticks (ie: arrow platter used to fire every 80ms, hurricane fires every 120ms, mille aguilles and beam dance ticks a bit slower than that even)

It's that I don't know how many times nether shield hits the boss every second

Reply February 5, 2015 - edited
PlayThatMelody

[quote=LordPsych]
= 326% (boss dmg + t.dmg)
= 296% boss dmg + 30% t.dmg
and 356% b+t dmg with RA set using Fafnir desperado

1378%*326boss = 449228

1216%*356boss = 432896[/quote]

Careful...The correct multiplier is (1+(boss damage/100)) ~> 4.26 and 4.56.

[quote=LordPsych]I didn't factor in nether shield since idk the frequency of the dmg tick on that[/quote]

Treat it as DoT or burst damage per cast.

TS: It would be reasonable to use a Terminus desperado. The attack speed is pretty useful but not as useful compared to other jobs since swapping between two different skills is less efficient than jobs that can just hold a key down all the way. The missing boss damage is not largely significant, especially when you will hold a large amount of it, so there's really no harm in skipping out on it. Also note that while the extra speed is useful, it can always be matched out with an Inner Ability and Decent Speed Infusion.

Reply February 5, 2015 - edited
Matherg

Also (I think, not entirely sure since I'm still new to DA), 15% or 30% spell traces would be better. I haven't played in awhile but primes give all stats and weapon attack while spell traces give weapon attack and HP. There is an HP cap but most people accentuate its significance excessively. HP is better than all stat for DAs.

Reply February 5, 2015 - edited
LordPsych

TL;DR: Terminous Vanquisher will give you approximately 1.038x or 3.8% more dps
[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-item-Terminus-Vanquisher-12797.html]Terminus Vanquisher[/url] is fast-5 atk speed
[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-item-Fafnir-Death-Bringer-12796.html]Fafnir Desperado[/url] is normal-6 atk speed

http://maplearchive.com/skill-wp.php?id=31221012
using Terminous Vanquisher with booster -2, that purple buff -1, dsi -1, green mpe pot -1, Inner ability -1

that puts you at Faster (0) speed with atk speed +1 IA
620% dmg every 450ms = 1378% /second

with Fafnir Desperado, you will be at Faster (1), meaning 510ms per execution
620% dmg every 510ms = 1216% /second

the 30% decrease in boss dmg from not having the RA set is the only major difference, the regular stats aren't significant, neither is having 13% atk instead of 12% atk on bpot

factoring in all sources of boss dmg and total dmg (since boss dmg and t.dmg stack additive against bosses)
40 top 10 dojo gloves
10 kanna link skill
15 DA link skill
15 DS link skill
30 weapon reg stats
60 2x boss dmg lines on weapon (i've done the math, 200% or 250% boss then all %atk is bs unless u want to cap on both bosses AND regular mobs)
60 2x boss dmg lines on secondary
30 sup gollux set
50 nebs
07 DA and Kanna character cards
09 triple S rank character cards

= 326% (boss dmg + t.dmg)
= 296% boss dmg + 30% t.dmg

and 356% b+t dmg with RA set using Fafnir desperado

1378%*326boss = 449228

1216%*356boss = 432896

I didn't factor in nether shield since idk the frequency of the dmg tick on that
*Faster attack speed also means that once you can hit cap on something, your terminus vanquisher will continue to do slightly more (though slightly smaller damage numbers) hits/sec, while your fafnir desperado will just continue to cap, but cap a bit harder (a HARD 50m instead of a soft 50m)
TL;DR: 449228 / 432896 = 1.038x more dps

Reply February 5, 2015 - edited
SlyOne

Personally working on perfecting Vanquisher. I much prefer the attack speed over the 30% boss damage from Fafnir anyways.
Not only that but the Vanquisher makes training much faster with its attack speed.

It is also 4th tier which is an added bonus but really in the end it is up to you what you want in your late game DA.

Maybe @GoXDS can shed some light here?

Reply February 5, 2015 - edited