General

[quote=Huspoel]Watch demon slayer, But it seems like there should be an crazy cooldown on all merc's skills then?
I feel sorry for GMS that PvP sux because of Mercs[/quote]
In kMS I couldnt pvp on my demon slayer. I assume gMS will do the same. They couldnt because they start out with level 20 ambition. That wouldn't be fair to others.

I kill mercs all the time.

I understand there is a need for pirate to revamp, thief.. they already hella strong lol

They'll get nerfed partially/majorly in July (since Thief/Pirate revamp is part of Justice).

eh pvp is really balanced for now lol...all jobs began to dmg alot to me now.. i hardly reach 2.5k now..

I would recommend, the making of separated classes room. For example:
adventurers vs adventurers
Legends vs legends
Free for all (clases)
Mixed rooms..
Etc........
It aint such a bad idea..... Right?

@RayPist: Well when I said stun, I was referring to the small immobilization. Sorry for the misconception.

Oh well. i am pro at both team match and ffa.
Remember when I use my lv 5x page do team pvp. I've never got 1k lesser unless enter very late . O.O

Honestly, you just simply a noob..And you don't even know only battle mode att and lv of skill matter in 120+ pvp... ALSO, Stragies matter most in pvp. For example:
DRK: Magnet + jump around people and attack them with impaler+ Roar when they on low hp+Magnet people away from "Food"=Win

[quote=friedricesushi]Mercedes combos are dangerous for my health.[/quote]

thats true

I should drop by on my BaM and see how all the Mercs are doing.

Bring back the ol' Body Boost Attack fist brokenness.

@Feetsmells: Well I would sure use one of those weapon you listed, thought I can't find any clean PSB in FM, and the one I see are to pricy for me to afford. I don't think I have a maplemas tree either and maple weapon doesn't drop anymore. What do you suggest for high defense/hp gear? Should I make on my own top and bottom and scroll it with HP/Defense scroll and use those equips while in PvP and return to my normal gear when I'm done? Would be nice if you could PM me advice against other class as well, I would appreciate.

@Mysterieuse: Warriors are commonly known to be among the better pvp classes. They tend to do better the most jobs. Although I realize that pvp has changed since when I started, I've always been able to beat higher levels. I started pvp around 16x and its been my only source of leveling for the most part. And for the most part, I've always done well. Now, I do have alot more gear for pvp, but I still see warriors doing well without such gear.

Rush and magnet not working is a bit strange. It might just take a bit more time for you to figure out at what ranges they work. They both do have a pretty good range, but they don't go across the map. You can use them in mid-air so that helps too. Impale not being maxed hurts your damage a bit, but it shouldnt be a huge problem. Take into account impale, buster, etc. all have high vertical ranges. So in maps like pink bean's party and cygnus chamber you can attack people on higher platforms. And also, take my advice, when you pvp don't use the alchupiz. Go for a maple impaler, clean psb, maplemas tree, anything fast. Attack means nothing in pvp unless its battle mode attack. Defense and hp do matter, or it seems that way as I haven't really found a good way to test it, so if you have any spare equips that can give you some more defense and hp, go for it. Many of the good pvpers I know are drks. The only things we lack compared to other classes is invincibility and the ability to heal. Otherwise we would completely dominate. If you want advice against specific jobs, I can help you out there too.

@Feetsmells: Then there might be something wrong with my dark knight, because everytime I use rush or monster magnet, it's working like 50% of the time and it doesn't always stun. My Dark Impale is currently lvl 27, and rush and monster magnet only have 1 point in those. I have no idea if it makes a difference. Not to mention, everytime I join PvP, most of my opponants are like 185+. Once there was 3 lvl 200 against me. And of course it might be faster for you as I see your weapon, correct me if I'm wrong, but its normal or fast speed? I still have a 149 w.atk alchupiz, I don't even think it's that bad. I don't think it's my internet connection either cause everything runs just fine. Maybe we can roar every ten second, but I never have time to do it because I die in a mere 3-6 hits or lack HP to cast it. I wish I could get 1k point, but it's nearly impossible, the max I reached since last revamp was 600 point and thats because this time my opponants wasn't too strong. Or maybe you are just a out of the norm Dark Knight with OP gear or have weaker opponants than me. Because your case sure as hell doesn't represent all Dark Knight or warriors.

@Mysterieuse: Mm my opinion about being a Dark Knight differs greatly. Our skills are not slow. The slowest one is roar, but thats an ultimate. No big deal. Dark Impale is spammable and its strong and fast. Again no problem there. Okay so monster magnet and rush have a cooldown, but wait, every single time you use magnet, there's a guaranteed stun. Magnet is one of our best skills. If it had no cooldown, you could just spam it until your opponent dies. Rush is a great mobility skill. If you find someone you can't reach, rush to them. Put rush, magnet, roar, and magic crash on your quick slots so you know when the cooldown is over.

Every match I've participated in, I've never been lower than the top 3, unless I joined a match with like 2 minutes left or something. Cannoneers are a bit problematic, but there health is really a gamble. If their counter fails them, they're dead in 3-4 hits. Mechs have extremely limited mobility. You can hop right behind him and impale him death. Not hard at all. If you understand how each class works, you'll figure out that dark knights can counter almost every single job.

New classes blast their full map skills. Cannoneers have an ultimate, okay 30 second cooldown. Oh wait, Roar has a cooldown of only TEN seconds. So every ten seconds, Dark knights get to blast their full map skill all around. Not to mention we have amazing mob control with rush and magnet, letting us put pesky archers, mages, thieves, etc. in a corner and finish them after they spent time lowering their hp.

Although the last revamp has made it more difficult to earn emblems, its not impossible. Participate 5 times a day, get 1k points. Two emblems right there. If you're averaging at least 1k points a match, which for a dark knight isn't hard at all, thats 500 points a day. Do this for 5 days and you earn 10 emblems and 2500 points. So then you're at a total of 17. So in about a week an a half you're done. If you just practice a little, I'm sure you'll get the hang of how a dark knight works in pvp. Cause as it stands now, we're one of the best classes.

[quote=xOhItsJustMe]Bro, your a pally..
With +20 battle attack from gear/ambition I'm still able to get atleast 2k points a round..
Unless these mercedes or cannonners are getting 6k then I don't see how your managing to lose to them.
Basically you should be using ACB because of its huge range. Threaten nuff said. Magic Crash vs mages.
Heavens Hammer to KS. Blast in 1v1's against less mobile classes. HP Recovery after winning a 1v1 (because you almost always will)

@rhenXD: Above. I notice how there is no Quest / Coin Shop / Event bar on your left side of the screen. Would it be safe to assume that getting that 4k points was during the 1.5x point events they used to have when PvP first came out? :] Hence 2.6k points was your actual score? -demotivation-[/quote]

1.) Even if you pvp post-legend, The trophies screen DO NOT show up during a game.

2.) There's no 1.5x bonus effect image on that results screen, meaning there is no 1.5x.
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1929/maple0192.jpg This image shows that there is a 1.5x bonus effect. The other screenie that the shad posted doesn't have it.

i still like pvp but theres nobody to play with

why does nexon make new classes if they know the're gonna nerf em in like a week they never take theyre time unless there just being lazy!

bishops are still using angel rays and SR which haz a most pathetic range and speed.

PS i hate pallies cause of their fat hp's and tard magic crash -.- extremely dangerous for mages .

No whats worse is the people who start map crashing. Then you're stuck not joining again for 5 minutes. Like what the hell is that?

The most broken thing about mercs are the unicorns, because they practically 1hit ko/ strip about half of almost everyone's hp on the spot. It's both a good opening and finishing move. Plus their Ishtar ring is only annoying if you stay in it, otherwise it's easy to dodge.

As for cannoneers, their actually the most strategic the requires a lot of control. Because if you think you're gonna get anywhere by spamming spike/barrage while throwing in bazooka and Nautilus strike whenever you can, you wont make it far. You'll need to learn to use a lot of your skills and know which one is appropriate to your situations. similar to using a strategic apporach for an f/p except not as mobile or as potent (via DoT stacking and the sheer power of Mist eruption)

And of all things, you're a pally! You're one of the most annoying things to take down! Seriously even with my f/p and cannoneer, I can't actually kill them unless they've been weakened already! And because of their magic crash and rush/monster magnet, I always have to kite them from above with my mage!

@xohitsjustme I said post ascension, not legend lol. The pic isn't mine anyways, it's a friends. Also, if it was 1.5x I'm sure 4th place and lower would get much higher scores, and it would say 1.5x in the score xD

@PallasAthena: top 3? i'm number 1

[quote=Mysterieuse]I am a Dark Knight and I gotta disagree here. Even though our attack are strong, most of our skills are uber slow. Monster Magnet and Rush both have cooldown that seems to me very long when I see other class that already have a higher speed attack that can just spam it all the way. Not to mention, Warrior class has nearly no mobility. When you look at it, all other class like mages or thieves have teleport or flash jump. I haven't played another class on PvP but it's seems pretty clear other class have it easier.

I am level 174 and well funded I believe and I can't never be in the top 3 or even 4. I'm mostly in the last one. The other day, an unfunded level 125 cannoneer and a 132 Mechanic beat me up. How fair is that? It feels like all my efforts went to waste.

Obviously, new classes make it even worse. They just stand around and blast their full map skill all around or mob us all in a corner then finish us when we spent enough time lowering each other HP.

Nexon should really revamp PvP system or make an alternative way to earn more easily Gallant Emblem. I suggest a repeatable quest that can be done up to 5 times a day max and each quest would provide 3 to 5 emblems each time. Of course, the quest wouldn't be so easy, but it would at least give many of us the chance to gain or create the items we want. It's nearly impossible to make a single lvl 130-140 item, Unless you saved all the Gallant emblems you earned previously before this terrible revamp.[/quote]

If you're a drk and you can't even get 4th place or higher, that's.. uhm a bit different. The person you quoted is windias finest dark knight in pvp. He AlWAYS places first in all of the games I've seen him in. Anyways, you guys have impale which is spammable and does massive damage, while rush and magnet, especially magnet, can be used to catch runaways. Even if they have cooldowns, the cooldowns are actually quite short from the way I see and you guys don't always need it when you can just dragon roar to finish scragglers off. Drks should have no problem taking out a squishy class. [url=http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=308xg2a&s=5]Here's a pic of a skilled drk post ascension if it helps motivate you[/url]

@PallasAthena: i am also a 120+ ffa cannoneer. i dont mind ppl knowing my style because i'd still beat them. oh and i've never lost a 120+ match

I thought the moment Canoneers came out, my CB would suddenly become useless, but even after Mercedes came out, I'm still doing pretty good =)
Just find a class that fits you well, and you'll do fine.

[quote=PallasAthena]Uh..Actually, Mercedes aren't that hard to kill. You just gotta jump and shoot, and if you got no skill that lets you do so, then you're out of luck.

And cannoneer isn't as great as you think. Cannon Bazooka has a big cooldown, so you have to use Cannon Spike. In my experience, if I don't use anchor or militia and just spike, I get owned. (Unless it's a big party no where around me, I go ks them! LOL)

Nvm. They're great. I love my cannoneer in pvp. [/quote]

i use cannon barrage as my main pvp attack. Bazooka is the finisher and if that doesnt work go in with the mines.
Counter is probably the best skill ever. i was down to like 1% hp and a Db got me with chains. Counter kicks in and he kills himself then a 30% hp/mp pops up where he died BEST MATCH EVER

[quote=Mysterieuse]Well I'm glad to hear this, thought the thing is when is GMS gonna get that revamp? Because I had my rising sun face recipe on my Dual Blade for a little while and there is no way for me to earn Gallant emblem, and yes I tried like 3 matches on it and I've only been earning a total of 5 Battle Points! Can you imagine how long it's gonna take me at this rate? I also would like to make my lvl 120 shoulder pauldron but that also require gallant emblems I wish Gallant Emblem would become tradable on the same account too. So I don't have to hunt those on 3 different characters.[/quote]
I expect late Spring at the earliest. Will be a while, but it'll be worth the wait. xD

Actually it really depends on your control (what this girl said above me)
I'm usually always first place with my mercedes but there is like a priest, or sin like second or third place and a mercedes at the bottom.
Yes you could play the class but things change in PvP, maybe that's why people don't like it because all they do it grind all day and they suck at PvP that they wouldn't want to play it.

what i dont like about pvp is 120+ are always complaining about no one fighting in their tier but u go in 70+ u find like 6 of them. To you 120+ pvpers stay in your tiers, u get more bp that way.

@orangeking11: Well I'm glad to hear this, thought the thing is when is GMS gonna get that revamp? Because I had my rising sun face recipe on my Dual Blade for a little while and there is no way for me to earn Gallant emblem, and yes I tried like 3 matches on it and I've only been earning a total of 5 Battle Points! Can you imagine how long it's gonna take me at this rate? I also would like to make my lvl 120 shoulder pauldron but that also require gallant emblems I wish Gallant Emblem would become tradable on the same account too. So I don't have to hunt those on 3 different characters.

[quote=Mysterieuse]
Nexon should really revamp PvP system or make an alternative way to earn more easily Gallant Emblem. [/quote]

It's being revamped in KMS. Currently closed and Gallant Emblems drop from Lvl 70+ mobs at an OK rate. xD

[quote=Feetsmells]To be honest, I don't have too many problems with mercedes. Drks and heroes should be able to shut down their mobility with magnet and then get in a few hits, which is really all you need to do as mercedes aren't exactly the tankiest of classes. Although I do see problems for other classes, especially the ranged ones. I personally think Cannoneers are better than mercedes when it comes to pvp as their attacks can mob well and do tons of damage, and they have an ultimate to boot. And that counter.. its much more of a nuisance than I would've expected at first.[/quote]

I am a Dark Knight and I gotta disagree here. Even though our attack are strong, most of our skills are uber slow. Monster Magnet and Rush both have cooldown that seems to me very long when I see other class that already have a higher speed attack that can just spam it all the way. Not to mention, Warrior class has nearly no mobility. When you look at it, all other class like mages or thieves have teleport or flash jump. I haven't played another class on PvP but it's seems pretty clear other class have it easier.

I am level 174 and well funded I believe and I can't never be in the top 3 or even 4. I'm mostly in the last one. The other day, an unfunded level 125 cannoneer and a 132 Mechanic beat me up. How fair is that? It feels like all my efforts went to waste.

Obviously, new classes make it even worse. They just stand around and blast their full map skill all around or mob us all in a corner then finish us when we spent enough time lowering each other HP.

Nexon should really revamp PvP system or make an alternative way to earn more easily Gallant Emblem. I suggest a repeatable quest that can be done up to 5 times a day max and each quest would provide 3 to 5 emblems each time. Of course, the quest wouldn't be so easy, but it would at least give many of us the chance to gain or create the items we want. It's nearly impossible to make a single lvl 130-140 item, Unless you saved all the Gallant emblems you earned previously before this terrible revamp.

umm. I have no problems with any of jobs in pvp. except Wholyspear, shindersekai, Iareawesums, Uberlegends. 2drks, 1 bish ,1 bam =p
Mercades are easy to kill. And again this is dependent on how you control it. I've seen some people in all jobs doing pretty well. Whoever just shouting out pvp is unfair just because you don't know how to use advantage of your job O.O.
These people are pro pvp "noob" jobs:
Bm:Awesomelybad, mykkolas
Aran: Jarpolar
Markman:Expertbowman
Paladin: good one's ign are hard to remember =p...But i remember 3-4 were good at it

[quote=Gustavoon]If you can hit them.
Mercedes is pretty broken IMO, and Cannon Shooter is almost the same (except for their mobility, backshot is almost as laggy as recoil shot in PvP).[/quote]

Hit 'em with the Madness after they do a Leaf Tornado. There are also Mercs who use Gust Dive for some reason, which makes them such an easy target after. xD

[quote=metaghost3]Cannon Shooters > Mercs

Monkey Madness nearly 1HKO's them.[/quote]If you can hit them.
Mercedes is pretty broken IMO, and Cannon Shooter is almost the same (except for their mobility, backshot is almost as laggy as recoil shot in PvP).

[quote=ketchup11]I pvp'd my evan 90ish-120, with 1st place 90% of the time
now in 120+ I almost invariably get 2nd to last.
pretty "balanced" if you ask me...?[/quote]

Yup.

It's always balanced when a level 60 can 1HKO you through about 5 defensive buffs and a decent amount of HP.

yeah but mercedes have low hp
therefore they are good targets for someone
.. like me.
-insert evil giggle here-

[quote=xDracius]I remember when PvP was a viable choice for 110 ~ 120
Then they decided to "balance" it with the crappy 5th update.[/quote]

I pvp'd my evan 90ish-120, with 1st place 90% of the time
now in 120+ I almost invariably get 2nd to last.
pretty "balanced" if you ask me...?

its hard to have every single skill for every single class.

Tell me about it...

[quote=OldTemper]I'm horrible on my mercedes. [/quote]

You must have something wrong with your life if you can't kill with a mercedes.

I'm horrible on my mercedes.

I remember when PvP was a viable choice for 110 ~ 120
Then they decided to "balance" it with the crappy 5th update.

I find Mercedes really bad at PVP. o_o
Most of their good skills need to be in a combo, and it can be kind of hard to execute with the lag. Plus they have really low HP and die pretty quickly.
I can imagine that one with good control / little lag would be extremely good though.

[quote=WalkDePlank]I enjoy it, I don't see why they would shut it down. I am starting to dislike it now because of mercedes ruining it -____-[/quote]

KMS is supposedly revamping it. xD

I enjoy it, I don't see why they would shut it down. I am starting to dislike it now because of mercedes ruining it -____-

Just be glad GMS follows KMS for the most part. PVP gets shut down during Justice which is sad since I enjoy it, but the revamps Thieves get and the Phantom job would just be too much crazy overload (Shads/NLs with Sudden Raid would just be lulz for PVP). xD

I don't find Mercs to be that good. I just jump -> Storm and it gets them. xD

Edit: The newer jobs are easier, but I don't find it that bad. PVPed for the first time on my Priest the other day and got 1st/2nd a lot in a field full of Mercs/Cannons. Only Lvl 1 Doom too. Holy Magic Shield makes 1 vs 1 head-on a Cannon to be lulz. Dispel on Mercs make them extra squishy. xD

As long as you have an attack that hits above you (well, high enough to hit an airborne Mercedes), you'll be fine. They just spam Leaf Tornado and you can hit them.
Their HP is crappy so they die easily

@WalkDePlank: That's somewhat surprising since warriors are pretty good at pvp. Although I do realize paladins have the hardest time dealing with classes with mobility, since you guys lack magnet.

@RayPist: Lol, it's not like their exactly tanks though. Except when COUNTER comes up four times in a row..