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DB. 2 Weapons. 16 Hits.

[quote=stealth07]Mercedes version of hurricane hits twice in the time that a BMs hurricane hits once, BUT, Mercedes hurricane hits half as much of a BMs hurricane.

Pretty much,
Mercedes Hurricane = 50/50
Bms Hurricane = 100

The both equal the same, but Mercedes hits faster.
They're both equal, the only difference is with more attacks, mercedes WILL HIT HIGHER, BECAUSE of the Criticals. They have double the chance of hitting a critical. That's the only difference. Mercedes will hit more crits which will equal more damage.[/quote]

You sure about that? Are we forgetting all those other W. Atk buffs/other buffs? And even if those buffs are excluded, do we know both the weapon multiplier for Bows and Dual Bows? Potential? 2x the change of crit and AFA? Merc is better, but BMs are still beastly.

hurricane does 2x the damage of a single shot from the mercede's ishtar's ring
but ishtar's ring does shoot twice
so if i'm not mistaken, they're the same.
however, the mercedes one should be faster, i think. both bows and dual bows have normal speed, but mercedes have the buff that give +1 attack speed boost, so they should be slightly faster. of course, i dont know for sure. but from the info i have, i guess mercedes?

Mercedes lol

Mercedes ishtar's ring as stated like 55283 times.

@stealth07: *facepalms*

lern 2 math plox

Mercedes hit 1000 hits of 110% per minute. (500 hits of 2 hits of 110%)
BMs hit 500 hits of 220% per minute.

As I stated, Mercedes hit more often.

You said Mercedes will hit higher because of criticals, which is the part I corrected you on.

60% crit rate on the below;
Mercedes, 1000 * 60% = 600
600 * 110% * 135% = 891% of damage range per minute.
BMs, 500 * 60% = 300
300 * 220% * 135% = 891% of damage range per minute.

@MrMesars
Both fire at the same speed as WAB/RoI/Hurri, but the answer to the OP's question is Mercedes RoI for pure hits.

[quote=MrMesars]Great... everyone forgets about Sairs as usual...

What about Battleship Cannon and Rapid Fire?

Both of them fire just as fast if not faster than Hurricane.[/quote]

It's just about the same as those skills. JUST about.
..Then Union's Advance comes around...

@aMongoose: Not talking about dmg. I was talking about HOW MANY HITS. If you'd take the time to read my other posts rather than quote me on this one post, you'd realize that that's what I was talking about.

[quote=stealth07]Mercedes version of hurricane hits twice in the time that a BMs hurricane hits once, BUT, Mercedes hurricane hits half as much of a BMs hurricane.

Pretty much,
Mercedes Hurricane = 50/50
Bms Hurricane = 100

The both equal the same, but Mercedes hits faster.
They're both equal, the only difference is with more attacks, mercedes WILL HIT HIGHER, BECAUSE of the Criticals. They have double the chance of hitting a critical. That's the only difference. Mercedes will hit more crits which will equal more damage.[/quote]

yes but then again if hurricane hits a crit its twice the damage as a crit for mercedes. 2 crits for merc would have to equal 1 crit for bm

@gmharri: Mercedes is hitting 1 to a BMs 2. Not talking about dmg, but who gets more hits. x.x...

Well, there's also the i/l arch mage with chain lightning for a non archer example. It's probably not the fastest per say but definetely high up there

Mercedes hit 110% x 2 @ "X" Speed
Wild Arrow Blast hit 220% x 1 @ "X" Speed
Bowmaster hit 190% x 1 @ "X"Speed

Mercedes, WH and BM hits at same speed but added together, Mercedes hits 30% more, not counting criticals and other factors.

Order of Power would be:

Mercedes
Wild Hunter
Bowmaster

All hurricane copycats attack at the same speed but each are slightly different, Bowmasters are the weakest but have highest critical rate with a single shot because of Sharp Eyes. Mercedes hits twice allowing potentially more critical damage and can exceed Wild Hunter and Bowmasters who hit the damage cap. Wild Hunters hit the single highest and can move while shooting.

[quote=Herklinos]well BMs hurricane has been proven the FASTEST move in the game, so mercedes hurricane is the same speed, so they both hit the fastest, and I believe that the mercedes hurricane's total damage=BM's hurricane total damage, so they are technically equal IIRC[/quote]

Some people proved Rapid Fire (corsair skill) being as fast as Hurricane, didn't they?
I have tried it too with a friend and I'm quite sure that they are as fast as each other.
They are the quickest skills in the game. Dunno about damage.

It's totally Buccaneers -_- .
But it's Mercedes

Mechs with siege mode? O.o

ive heard that mercedes hits like 27 times per second o-o i have no idea tho xD

[quote=Herklinos]well BMs hurricane has been proven the FASTEST move in the game, so mercedes hurricane is the same speed, so they both hit the fastest, and I believe that the mercedes hurricane's total damage=BM's hurricane total damage, so they are technically equal IIRC[/quote]

You are wrong. If you were to take fundings off a bowmaster and use them to fund a mercedes, the mercedes would BY FAR hit more. A fully buffed BM with 50%dex funding hits 30k ea arrow (SE30, MW30, Dark Aura). A Mercedes with those same exact funding (Same Att DBG) Would hit 50k ea Bl0w with their Ishtar's Ring. This is simply because they are naturally buffed. Not only that but they have well over 60% dmg in Buffs and 50+att worth of buffs also.

Obviously it's mechanics.

[quote=stealth07]Mercedes version of hurricane hits twice in the time that a BMs hurricane hits once, BUT, Mercedes hurricane hits half as much of a BMs hurricane.

Pretty much,
Mercedes Hurricane = 50/50
Bms Hurricane = 100

The both equal the same, but Mercedes hits faster.
They're both equal, the only difference is with more attacks, mercedes WILL HIT HIGHER, BECAUSE of the Criticals. They have double the chance of hitting a critical. That's the only difference. Mercedes will hit more crits which will equal more damage.[/quote]

*gets cane out*

Merc hits 2, 50ks.
BM hits 1, 100k.

50,000 * 1.5 = x
x * 2 = y

100,000 * 1.5 = y

Mercedes do NOT, hit more, until such time as they start hitting 500,000+ damage with their RoI, since the equivalent BM would be hitting the damage cap of 999,999.

OT:
Mercedes hit 1000 attacks per minute with RoI, which is the most attacks per minute in the game.

A mech in siege mode.

[quote=stealth07]Mercedes version of hurricane hits twice in the time that a BMs hurricane hits once, BUT, Mercedes hurricane hits half as much of a BMs hurricane.

Pretty much,
Mercedes Hurricane = 50/50
Bms Hurricane = 100

The both equal the same, but Mercedes hits faster.
They're both equal, the only difference is with more attacks, mercedes WILL HIT HIGHER, BECAUSE of the Criticals. They have double the chance of hitting a critical. That's the only difference. Mercedes will hit more crits which will equal more damage.[/quote]

Also criticals work via addition, not multiplicatively.

[quote=xuberfayt]fastest attack in the game = Mech's siege mode hands down.[/quote]

[quote=wiitunes]fastest hitting move[/quote]

Although you are right there is still a cooldown on the so called (Infinite siege) from what I heard DB's Phantom blow hits 6 times, with MI it's 12 hits, and one PB takes half a second so in one second we have 24 hits. gg

Bowmen hit 8 times per second and hit once Mercedes hits 8 times per second but hit twice so that's 16 hit's per second I'm guessing we now know which is faster hitting.

[quote=irpielover]@stealth07 I quoted you because you started to add about criticals and etc. I know mercedes hits faster than any bowmen because they have a beginner or 1st job skill that gives them +1 speed movement, obviously giving them an upper hand in attack speed.[/quote]

+1 Movement speed =/= +1 Weapon speed

Merry Christmas!

[quote=stealth07]Mercedes version of hurricane hits twice in the time that a BMs hurricane hits once, BUT, Mercedes hurricane hits half as much of a BMs hurricane.

Pretty much,
Mercedes Hurricane = 50/50
Bms Hurricane = 100

The both equal the same, but Mercedes hits faster.
They're both equal, the only difference is with more attacks, mercedes WILL HIT HIGHER, BECAUSE of the Criticals. They have double the chance of hitting a critical. That's the only difference. Mercedes will hit more crits which will equal more damage.[/quote]

Thank you, I was wondering about hits per second, not damage, and this is what I ment, it hits twice in the time hurricane hits once, how ever, it is half as powerful, which does not matter to me with what I'm looking for. Anyone else agree with this person?

[quote=irpielover]I don't think a few of you read well enough. TS said who hits MORE TIMES. Not who can do the most damage; not how much each attack does; nothing like that. Let's say BM has a bow (x) and mercedes has two (2x). I say mercedes hits more times in a given amount of time.[/quote]

I was more answering everybody who was saying that merc is stronger/faster than a BM because their hurricane hits twice in the time that a BMs hurricane hits once. I still answered the OP's initial question, saying that Merc will faster than a BM, who had the fastest attack up until Mercedes came out.
I don't think you read well enough because I DID say who hits MORE TIMES.

Mercedes version of hurricane hits twice in the time that a BMs hurricane hits once, BUT, Mercedes hurricane hits half as much of a BMs hurricane.

Pretty much,
Mercedes Hurricane = 50/50
Bms Hurricane = 100

The both equal the same, but Mercedes hits faster.
They're both equal, the only difference is with more attacks, mercedes WILL HIT HIGHER, BECAUSE of the Criticals. They have double the chance of hitting a critical. That's the only difference. Mercedes will hit more crits which will equal more damage.

what about wild hunters WAB?

[quote=iceychill2]If we make the rate of fire for hurricane (for a BM) is "x", then the rate of fire for each bowgun is 0.5x, so the firing speed for Mercedes' Ishtar's ring is the same as Hurricane..[/quote]

But doesn't Mercedes get a +1 attack speed automatically from a beginner skill making it slightly faster?

So it seems to me like it may be a toss up between BM and Merc, so, anyone else know? I ment it to be against a single creature btw, if it makes a difference.

Pretty sure Merc hit faster than BM since Istar hits 2x. After the revamps tho, NL and Sairs are also up their with Quad Throw + SP and Rapid Fire
@above, Mercs have a innate -1 atk spd which BMs don't and 2x the proc of Final atk since each atk hits 2x

If we make the rate of fire for hurricane (for a BM) is "x", then the rate of fire for each bowgun is 0.5x, so the firing speed for Mercedes' Ishtar's ring is the same as Hurricane..

[quote=wiitunes]So, does mercedes's hurricane hit twice as fast or just as fast?[/quote]

it hits twice, same speed, and it hits a few monsters i think.

So, does mercedes's hurricane hit twice as fast or just as fast?

[quote=penguinslol2]I'd say Bowmaster with Hurricane.[/quote]
No o-o
It's mercedes since it hits twice and has the same fire rate as Hurricane...

[quote=penguinslol2]I'd say Bowmaster with Hurricane.[/quote]

Are you sure? Even with mercedes now?