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[quote=CavanCai]http://i.imgur.com/IfjRb.png[/quote]

swiped for future league vs dota posts

dota 1: pros
dota 2: pros and some league players
league: has raging kids

I enjoy the simplicity of league.

Dota is better. It stands for Defense of the Ancients. Started out as a mod for Warcraft 3 Reign of Chaos/Frozen Throne and is now a full on game under Dota2.
The community of Dota2 is better than League, since in League most people value individual skill over teamwork, while Dota2 is more team oriented.

And with the lack of "new champs every other month or so" there's less "op new champs for people to suck at".

[quote=Ness]HoN.

Dota2 is for people who prefer a hard game moving at league's pace, and league is for kids who can't into MOBAs.

HoN is much faster and more fluid.[/quote]

HoN is crap. It's no wonder people never compare it to other MOBA games.

Dota 2 will never be as big as league. It's a solid game that I respect a lot, but the learning curve is a bit steep for newcomers so many tend to turn away. League is easier to get into, and (don't bash me for this) equally as hard to play at the top level. For the ones who argue that Dota players are much better than LoL players in terms of skill, that is not entirely true. LoL does have a lot of garbage players, but it also has a lot of good players (due to its popularity) that are mechanically superior to Dota players.

That's just how I feel. In the end they're both just games, so play whichever one you enjoy more regardless of what other people say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xj0gkjZzVo

Worth your time.

[quote=Ness]>not picking up rapier on gyrocopter for flak cannon fun

80k users on at peak hours is pretty alright to me.[/quote]

Yeah but it's dying, even S2 has announced they are making another HoN-style game, the professional scene for HoN is nearly gone.

[quote=LifeOfCrime]That's the reason why not much people like DotA 2. The death penalty does make the game more interesting (in my opinion). Wait till you purchase an item called Divine Rapier it cost 6200 gold, and once you die it'll drop from your inventory.[/quote]

So Very High Risk = Very High Yield. Ehh... I'll just stick to league.

[quote=d4rkxStrIfe]Kunkka with Daedalus and Rapier is funnier since the critical hits all targets if on a cleave. That's usually at least a triple kill on one hit.[/quote]

It's a shame you can't add the damage from shadow blade onto the crit.

[quote=Ness]>not picking up rapier on gyrocopter for flak cannon fun[/quote]

Kunkka with Daedalus and Rapier is funnier since the critical hits all targets if on a cleave. That's usually at least a triple kill on one hit.

Speaking about Kunkka, playing him right now.

[quote=d4rkxStrIfe]Correction:

Rapier is considered a troll item in 90% of cases, usually bought when the game is at the point of ending, while the other 10% is a desperate attempt to break a hard stalemate or a gamble to win or lose.

Also, contrary to popular belief, LoL is actually snowballs more than DotA despite DotA's gold loss on death. There are two kinds of gold: Reliable (hero kills/assists, tower kills, Roshan kill) and Unreliable (everything else). You lose 30x(Level of your Hero) unreliable gold on death (unless you have the Bloodstone item) - you do not lose reliable gold, and unreliable gold is used up first before purchasing items.

Interesting thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343759[/quote]

>not picking up rapier on gyrocopter for flak cannon fun

[quote=CrayonScribble]I wouldn't play HoN the game is dead.[/quote]

80k users on at peak hours is pretty alright to me.

[quote=Ness]HoN.

Dota2 is for people who prefer a hard game moving at league's pace, and league is for kids who can't into MOBAs.

HoN is much faster and more fluid.[/quote]

I wouldn't play HoN the game is dead.

Correction: [quote=LifeOfCrime]That's the reason why not much people like DotA 2 [b]because they are too used to LoL's leniency.[/b] The death penalty does make the game more interesting (in my opinion). Wait till you purchase an item called Divine Rapier it cost 6200 gold, and once you die it'll drop from your inventory.[/quote]

Rapier is considered a troll item in 90% of cases, usually bought when the game is at the point of ending, while the other 10% is a desperate attempt to break a hard stalemate or a gamble to win or lose.

Also, contrary to popular belief, LoL is actually snowballs more than DotA despite DotA's gold loss on death. There are two kinds of gold: Reliable (hero kills/assists, tower kills, Roshan kill) and Unreliable (everything else). You lose 30x(Level of your Hero) unreliable gold on death (unless you have the Bloodstone item) - you do not lose reliable gold, and unreliable gold is used up first before purchasing items.

Interesting thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343759

DotA all the way.

HoN.

Dota2 is for people who prefer a hard game moving at league's pace, and league is for kids who can't into MOBAs.

HoN is much faster and more fluid.

[quote=wk70129]Umm... tf? You lose gold when you die? Screw it, sticking to leaugue[/quote]

That's the reason why not much people like DotA 2. The death penalty does make the game more interesting (in my opinion). Wait till you purchase an item called Divine Rapier it cost 6200 gold, and once you die it'll drop from your inventory.

[quote=CrayonScribble]DotA 2 actually has an amazingly fluent, well educated and seasoned community if you play on the Australian servers. Everyone I met is full of humour, wit and a willingness to accept fault. The American server on the other hand is horrible, the Russian server is cancer.[/quote]

You played on the Russian server? I thought it's Russians that come to 'invade' the regional servers, not the other way around. How was the ping there?

DotA 2 actually has an amazingly fluent, well educated and seasoned community if you play on the Australian servers. Everyone I met is full of humour, wit and a willingness to accept fault. The American server on the other hand is horrible, the Russian server is cancer.

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Community-wise? RTS/MOBA communities tend to be toxic in general, especially at the lower level. More kids play LoL, especially in your Bronze days and unranked, so perhaps LoL may be worse in that aspect. While DotA 2's players' average age is higher, the community is by no means sunshine and lollipops, as you'll have your share of flamers and ragers. But there's always people willing to help you out with the game.

Gameplay-wise? This is the most debated aspect. It's generally accepted that LoL is a more casual game with much more simple mechanics than DotA 2. DotA 2 is miles more mechanically deep and complex than LoL in this regard. While LoL players criticize this as causing unnecessary "burden of knowledge," DotA players embrace it is better game design that creates more opportunities of gameplay. Balancing in both games is wildly different as the power level of champions in LoL is far less than that in DotA. LoL's abilities are more watered down; for example, with CC abilities lasting usually 1-3 seconds. DotA's power level is on a whole other scale, with 2 second CCs on regular abilities, 3-5 second CCs on ultimates, and the infamous 15 second silence/item disable ultimate of the hero Doom. Whether or not DotA's complexity and deepness means it is a better game is entirely an opinion, as is LoL's more casual and forgiving nature.

F2P wise? Both games are free to play with different pay aspects. Not all champions are available immediately in LoL, requiring you to either grind for IP from playing games to unlock them or purchases RP to unlock them. While all aspects of the game except cosmetics can be unlocked over time, purchasing RP allows you to unlock champions, rune pages, etc. quicker. DotA 2's heroes are all available upon release, with only cosmetics and tickets to watch online tournaments costing money. You can also earn random cosmetics from playing games.

Personally, I feel that DotA 2 is more rewarding to learn and play, despite being much harder to master and more punishing. The options are virtually unlimited compared to LoL. There is no set meta in DotA until you get to the highest levels of play, whereas LoL players have even affirmed the existence of a stale meta due to overly similar champions.

[quote=Nivea]Well if you want to play dota, I recommend starting with league, unless you already know your way around with these types of games.
Personally, I don't like the fact about how in Dota 2 that if you die, you actually lose gold. Like wtf, you have no way of coming back if you have, for instance, lag.
If you start in league as a noob, the noobs are pretty nice. Once you get to like level 10 ish, you notice the community getting a little more "serious".

My answer is a little biased since I only played league, but I watched some game plays of Dota 2.[/quote]

Umm... tf? You lose gold when you die? Screw it, sticking to leaugue

[quote=wk70129]I know they are somewhat the same, but which one is better (community-wise, gameplay-wise, f2p-wise etc)?
BTW: is Dota an acronym? Never really understood that

Edit: woops, meant Dota 2... thought that woulda been implied but just in case.[/quote]

Dota (or more specifically DotA) means Defense of the Ancients, but Valve intends for the term Dota (as part of the game name Dota 2) to be seen as a game concept instead of the acronym.

Community wise? Both have their fair share of jerks and nice people. Report and or mute the jerks, commend and or befriend the nice people. Simple as that. I'd say League has more jerks than Dota 2 (contrary to belief on Basil here, where many believe it only has elitist pricks, but the same can be said for LoL as well), due to LoL having a larger population.
Gameplay wise? There is no answer to this. They share a number of mechanics (carries and supports, healing items early game etc.) and they differ by a number of mechanics (denies, losing gold on death, the ability to surrender/forfeit). Some mechanics which are the same in both are utilised differently in each game as well (split pushing).
F2P wise? LoL requires the purchasing of champions over time (you get a free weekly pool to choose from as well), and you have to buy runes as well. Dota 2 unlocks all heroes from the start, and you can earn cosmetics by playing the game, as opposed to LoL where you need to pay money (Riot Points) to obtain cosmetics. The core gameplay is all unlocked from the start for both of them (ingame items and skills).

Choose the one which suits you more.

Oh yeah...
LoL is known to be much better optimised for lower end PCs, while Dota 2 generally requires a better rig (if you can run Dota 2 at constant 60 FPS, you can definitely run LoL just as good, if not better). LoL is also known to be more polished overall when it comes to game bugs, as Dota 2 was only just recently released (as in it moved out of closed beta)...that being said, most of the bugs remaining are not game breaking ones. LoL segregates players into regional servers that cannot interact with the others (a Euroepan player cannot play with a North American, South East Asian or Russian player), while Dota 2 doesn't do that and allows you to play on any server (bar a few exceptions). Dota 2 allows for practice bot matches and the tutorial to be played without the internet, and LAN mode is planned to be added in the near future, while tournament games can be viewed in the client itself, same with replays. A proper mentoring/coaching system is also planned to be added later on as well.

League has more boobs.
DotA has more blood.

And yes, Zombie Apocalypse in Egypt.

League is easier to learn.
Dota is harder to learn.
Both communities are crap, and toxic.
I just like League better IMO.

[quote=dcp88]Dota 2: full of stuck up raging elitists
LoL: full of dumb raging 12 year olds
Pick your poison[/quote]

atleast the elitsts are smarter then the raging 12 year olds, but the stuck up elitsts sounds like the worse of the situation.

Either, pick which one is more visually appealing the pros and cons are so similar.

Dota (Defense of the Ancients)
Dota is pretty much the same as league community wise (assholes everywhere)
Dota is hard to learn and hard to master
League is easy to learn hard to master

Both game are fun

Gameplay wise - Its your choice idk, league is softcore, dota 2 is hardcore.
F2p wise - Dota, League have millions of bads, dota have more experienced players, just look at all those geeks everyday crying about stunk in bronze, silver hell, ceratin champion being op and etc, Dota player never does that, plus Dota 2 cost much more less than League overall.
Community wise - Dota, league community is toxic as hell, I mean dota 2 is still bad, but League is much more bad.

In my flavour I think I like League better atm since im satisfied with my ranked stats, the reason is because I have alreaddy played Dota 1 before, so Dota 2 to me its like a duplicated Dota 1, thats why I play League most of the time rather than Dota 2, I just played old Dota too many times, League have better graphics, its easy, have a large fanbase, I do play Dota 2 sometimes but I still prefer league.

Smite.

Well League is ALOT more popular

Info I get from my guy friends: Dota is for the elite players and league is for the nubs.