I thought Reboot would be it, but
So, I've been playing on and off since 2006. My range has always sucked because I'm not a mercher and I don't p2w... which after potential, that seemed to be all that mattered. I quit for a good while, then when I saw Reboot I randomly tried it out and got hooked. I thought it was great. A server that's not P2W (pets aside...), and such. So I pretty much made a new start, have several link mules, and about 3 chars at 175 or over. I even have a few legendary equips on one of them, though all of their ranges mostly still suck.
Honestly I'm becoming very disillusioned with Reboot, though. This is pretty much just meso farm story. Literally, I feel like 99% of my time is spent just sitting still in MP3, or going to NH and being at the mercy of Phantoms and Kannas. Afterwards, I spend it all on cubes and either be amazed at my luck (2 items to legendary in 14 cubes), or spend the rest of the day realizing... all my time had been wasted (no rank up from epic in 30 cubes). Granted I'm not even there for it because I mostly just semi-afk at MP3. Rinse. Repeat. I hated merching in the original servers, so I liked that everything here was generally obtainable just using your own means but... honestly this doesn't feel too much better than merching, and the cycle just seems to be mind-numbingly boring (though thankfully at MP3 you just pay minimal attention at best). There's no alternative to it, either. Cubes are obtained almost solely through mesos, and mesos are obtained by meso farming. Your guild can carry you through n/hmag or whatever but without inane amounts of cubing, you're still worthless.
Am I the only one that's felt like this? I honestly don't know if I keep going. I feel like I'm not even playing the game anymore. It's like I'm watching the stock market and cashing in and hoping I win this time. Or placing my chips over and over on a roulette board. I feel like I'm better off just making tens of alts to experience the gameplay in different ways, rather than even bothering with trying to main anything, as that seems to be much more fun. I realized I was having more fun with my link mules than I did playing any class I got past 140... The process is just painful. I think I'm better off just sticking to Diablo 3 for my grinding/gambling needs. At least I actually play the game while I grind. This just feels so meaningless. This potential system ruined the game for me a long time ago.
I guess what I might do is just semi-afk farm enough for about 20 cubes every day and then just cash in as soon as I get that much and stop farming right then and there. Either it'll be a lucky day, or it won't. Anything else is just blegh.
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Disregard.
@wall: If that is the case, I'm sorry, I find it hard to believe that you ONLY played your NL and without any help/tansfers from other characters that you can have achieved that high.
From my master-cubing experience, it can easily take ~10-15+ cubes to tier up from epic to unique and that is assuming you are fairly lucky still. and there are 19 or more equips to cube/buy. A decent ~12-18% stat equip can go for multiple bil. And from what I can tell, getting 1.7mil range is impossible if that was what you considered merching...
I have a NW (almost same as NL) and only have ~1.2-1.4mil range and we are talking about where all the equips are 12-18% and some even higher cause legendary pots with a prime claw which I have yet to pot nicely.
So from your definition of merching, you are referring to basically just selling things you find from going around and farming. You claim you are selling things from Elite drops but the math would not add up... I'll theoretically assume you get two boxes every time and assume you get a master cube 100% of the time while the other is a clean slate and every 5th elite you fight you get an epic scroll instead of a clean slate.
so every 5 elites that means 5 masters, 4 clean, and 1 epic. And the fact that you mentioned this long ago i'll use the older economy values. ~epics = 200mil, clean = 30mil which in total accumlates 320mil every 5 elites you fight with 5 master cubes. But during that time, ~15% easily went for 3-5bil+ easy.
from my cube ratio, even assuming 10 cubes will go from epic to unique, you need to fight a total of 10 elites before you can get a equip to unique. By that time you accumlated ~640mil from selling the scrolls from elites. 1 unique = 640mil
which means by 50 elites, you have 5 uniques and 1 12-15% equip bought from Fm assuming 3bil... total of 6 equips by now.
This means 150 elites before you get 18 equips all Unique with 3 guarantee being 12-18%. within 30days, that means you need to kill 5 elites a day... and that is assuming they were spawned in your level range and you killed it yourself because you are getting 2 boxes. And assuming you were leeching off newbs elite spawning area, that means 300 elites... mean 10 elites a day.
If you spawned the elite yourself (NL), that can easily take over 5 hrs a day and assuming you are newb spot leeching that can take anywhere from 1-4+hrs on a good day when a decent amount of newbs/players train their lower level characters.
Assuming you actually have a life and on max you play only 6hrs max a day cause of school/job/events that you need to attend to, what you claim are just lies since the theoretical part is in your favor and of course these are impossible to be 100% guaranteed since elite boxes also contain a lot of other junk. From what i can tell you are either a liar or :
1) You are just that lucky for all of those things to listed above to actually happen which ofc sounds very, very unlikely because of the other things in the elite boss box.
2) You are lying about your definition of merching (only selling things you find, not buying low and sell high)
3) You used your other characters which means extra cubes from bossing and at this point it is not "just your NL" since you got help from other characters from your account.
@repentant that thing about tiering up in normal server make me think you are zerobydivide low key!
@xshadow2: I'm not using real money.
@wall: Yes, I agree that you don't need to throw money at the game for the regular servers. However, in my comment earlier, I didn't say throwing money at the game was the only way. Merching was an option as well; however, OP stated that he is not a mercher. So both those options, merching or throwing money at the screen, doesn't suit OP's taste/style of playing.
I agree that you don't need to pay in the regular servers to get strong, but without merching, getting anywhere near ~1mil range is already a hard task. Assuming you can find cubes everyday and get carries for bosses, etc. , we are still talking about a good amount of time to achieve cap. This is far harder and longer in the regular worlds than in Reboot.
And "That rate of progression would be so incredibly slow that a person "taking their time" would quit within a week." ... Really? Did you even read @sharkymikey 's comment? His whole comment was basically talking about how you don't need to farm mesos. And I too agree since I did the same... We who take our time and enjoy it have a much funner experience than those who rushes it. Then again, this is my philosophy on playing games
Also.... Stop bringing up your 1.7mil NL everytime... idc if you achieved it within a month or year. All I know is that with a proper merching and dedication, you can make that 1.7mil NL in 1 week as well ... If you haven't noticed, OP's thread stated he is not a mercher ... If you think so highly of yourself and not noticed how he is avoiding merching, then prove to me that you can just do the same as your NL in the regular servers without merching... I'm sure a good portion of people on Basil would like to see this as well since you always bring up your 1.7mil NL...
Edit: Forgot to mention... the similarity/difference between reboot and regular worlds if you don't like merching (finding cheap things and selling it), farming, and not willing to invest money in the game.
Regular World :
-bossing and possible free master cubes from drops
-RP Points to get free red/black cubes
-access to trade (but assuming you don't go merching but just using this to buy/sell things you dont need)
-8 Character Slots, and set invetory size based off which class you play.
-Perma NX but OFC you have to spend mesos which means you wouldn't be spending your valuable mesos since you are aiming for damage)
-Meso can't get you anything other than "buy/sell" and remember no merching.
Reboot:
-Bossing and possible free master cubes from drops
-RP Points to get free red/black cubes
-No access to trade
-8 slot and set inventories but can expanded at anytime using mesos
-No perma NX so only if you pay you can get cosmetics
-Meso can buy cubes
-Zakum and Hilla's equips can be sold for ~50k-200k per equips which is source of mesos since you will be bossing everyday in either world
So if you can, tell me which sounds like a better world if you plan to just play the game. No matter how I see it reboot has many more benefits than the regular world.
And like you said, those who take their time will quit before then. Which world sounds like they would quit earlier? No matter how I see it, the regular worlds sounds so much harder to get stronger especially since you can only sell things for you main meso income which can be used to buy better equips whereas Reboot, you have selling Necro and Zakum equips for mesos which in turn will become cubes.
If you're not into grinding, try a regular server. Several of my friends have used the new transfer hammer system to create great items with low cost and sell them to make high profits. Also elite bosses and merching are another way to gain mesos in non reboot worlds. Since there is no trading in reboot (Which I think is a huge mistake) there is no other way to make mesos besides farming, which is a shame. Its nice that you can get all your gear without spending any $ but the fact of the matter is, time is money. If you don't have the time to grind then you won't be able to progress.
I think there are better ways of obtaining mesos. I personally went back to Scania for a while because I knew with the amount of time I'd get to actually play between college and school I'd get nearly no where in Reboot. When I'd play I'd make sure I get my higher leveled characters boss prequest done for more mesos and exp. I always had fun on Reboot when I did play. I had my own guild for a little bit but fell of because no one was strong enough to actually boss and those that were had moved to a more capable guild.
I would have too but I felt my family was in that guild. One by one it became inactive though. At any rate, Instead of going for cubes on every line you should boss and improve all of your characters that do boss. Inner ability>Emblem>Secondary>Main when you get a sweet water. Then you can work on meso gear imo. Then you'll be able to take down bosses quickly and get more mesos off of them. You'll also get some more nx that way to. I don't have all of my boss prequest done on my BM but I'm able to get 500 nx a day.
And get an active buddy list going. Buddies make every game better imho. I guess you could say I'm a "P2W" guy. I just considered that I would be spending 40 bucks on a video game, why not spend 20 here and there on something I like. I'm also helping to fund the game in a small way but if it helps keep the lights on why not. I've always had a source of income though so I might just be more open to spending money on hobbies.
I hope you have fun with what ever it is you end up doing. I'd suggest just playing two servers and allowing yourself to buy some nx here and there. It helps the game and will help your range.
@xshadow2: I think it's just in one's mindset. I rarely ever go grind for Mesos by myself. And any time I do go I don't sit there grinding my teeth thinking 'must... get... x amount of Mesos per hr'. Sure I have a goal but if there's a conversation going on in guild or my bl I'll join in. If there isn't one going I'm likely to try to start one lol. If I get too bored I just leave and go do something else. But again rarely am I alone or with a stranger to grind... that keeps it from getting that boring... at least for me.
@cautiouskine: To be honest, I was going to start doing this, but then I think "... well wait what happens after I get all of the classes to 140? >_>". Considering the leveling speed atm (and considering I have a Kanna and HS mule at the ready at all times), that's not a hard task.
@repentant: You're just substituting real money into the equation... you're gambling with real money instead of mesos. o_0
@lecarde: I make a lot more than that, but it's against my principles to spend money on games to substitute for gameplay. In other words, I don't like paying to win. Plus, you have other expenses to worry about in the adult world. Power bills, mortgage payments, car payments, so you can't really take 10$/hour as pure investment into the game.
Mmm.... well I was going to respond to more of these, but I just got temp banned because I was looking away too long at MP3 at a bad time, so not much discussion worth having, here (till the beginning of next month anyway)...
I'm going to just take that as a sign. I wasn't meant to meso farm in this, and I probably wasn't meant to get strong in it, either. This type of lifestyle where I'm holding down one key and then having to look over from whatever I'm doing (whether that be working from home or what have you) nearly constantly to not get banned... just wasn't going to fly. And that was pretty much the only way I could really handle meso farming in the first place (being nearly afk during it), but it's unsustainable for me (not to mention stressful). If I do play after the ban (unlikely), I'll probably just screw around rather than bother with this meso farming at all.
But I probably won't. I guess every time I get back onto this, it just sinks in how much less time I have (between my Master's Degree coursework and my engineering job) compared to, say middle school, where I came home every day and spent probably weeks leveling from 40-60 at Block Golems. Replace Block Golems with "grinding at MP3/NH" and 40-60 with "getting all of my equips to legendary".
I think I'll just stick to making Diablo 3 my gear grind game. Maybe I'll just get back on this every once in a while to level a new class for the heck of it. Or maybe I'll just try playing on an unofficial server.
You can do most bosses comfortably with about 400-600k range depending on job, and to get there, you don't really need to grind. Just get 6-12% on all your equips which is reasonably done through daily bossing, elite boss hunting, rune of riches hunting, etc. It's just bosses like CRA, Hellux, etc. that you'll have to grind for unless you want to just do daily bosses for a whole year.
I love Reboot, but it definitely isn't for everyone. It's for those who want something a bit more challenging than non-Reboot servers who enjoy the grind and obtaining gear/recipes/etc. solely through crafting, fighting bosses, killing mobs, etc. It's for people who can spend the hours of grinding, get nothing from cubing, and then think, "I gave it a try. I'll give it another try tomorrow!" Determination.
Okay so this is just called lazy... Like really...
In regular servers, the only way to be strong is by either merching or cubing(throwing $$$ into the game)However, like you said yourself, you don't want to merch and that was why you didnt become strong. And I'll assume you dont want to use $$$ so that means regular world doesn't really suit your taste.
However, in reboot, you don't even need to throw money at the screen other than the pet which you mentioned but that can also be gotten through regular means in the game (Hilla). And where did it say anywhere in the server that you HAVE TO meso farm? Nowhere. People only recommend meso farming to speed up getting stronger. And OFC, to play this game legitimately, the pets speeds up the meso farming but ofc, you don't need to meso farm meaning pets are actually not needed. This is basically the equivalent of merching in regular worlds, where you have to go around and kinda mindless spam chats (assuming you don't have a store) to sell things. Makes no difference than the regular worlds. However, in reboot, you can still get strong just by playing. You don't have to meso farm just like @sharkymikey stated. Just kill bosses everyday, "spend time" with your guild/alliance and do random things which you might find fun. Just doing random things everyday can still get you mesos which can get cubes to make you stronger.
And all I stated are the truth... And don't forget, you should be playing games to have fun. If you don't like it, you don't have to play and can quit anytime. And don't forget, MapleStory is not GrindStory, it's your story.
Sorry... had to use that last line. Was remembering those old MS commercials XD.
I agree with what you're saying, that Reboot basically revolves around mesos. But I don't meso farm. Yes, that's right. I've been playing for about 4 months now. I have never meso farmed. Well, I have tried out NH with my main ( a TB, which sucks at meso farming) and didn't make much, so I gave up. All I do are my daily bosses everyday (Normal HT, Normal Zak, Normal Hilla, RA) and I just NPC the drops. I get about 9-10mil I think per day just by doing that. And during 2x, you get double, so that's nice. I know it's not a lot since people make 200mil or so per hour at NH but meh. I guess one of the main reasons why I like this world is coz I'm in a great guild and have a really nice alliance. That's what matters most to me. So yeah, you don't HAVE to meso farm. If you got the time to do it, I guess it's worth. I haven't spent a lot on cubing (daily bosses also drop 1~2 cubes) and am 800k range atm. I'm content with my progress. Slow, yet steady.
I never once understood the appeal of Reboot, and you captured a great many of my thoughts on it. Its just hours and hours of meso farming. It went from pay to win to make MS a full time job to win, which really isn't an improvement at all. In fact at that point its more efficient to get a $10/hr job and then just put that money towards MS on a regulay servre, as you will be saving time overall and still net the same result
I thought I would have fun on Reboot too, but during my time there it felt like anything I accomplished was devoid of any joy or meaning. If I tiered up from cubing, my reaction would be a simple "oh cool". Whereas on normal servers I would squeal with excitement (only while no one else was watching) if that same thing happened. I don't know why. I can't bring myself to enjoy Reboot no matter how much I try to convince myself. More cubes means I should be having more fun, right? For some reason it didn't turn out that way, so I went back to normal servers and I'm happy again.
Honestly I found the whole Reboot experience to be so disenchanting I had to take a break from Maple before I felt like logging on again.
EDIT: And no, I don't spend money on cubes.
I got in this mindset too so this is what I have done. I recently moved to reboot server just under a month now and while I was mindlessly meso farming (during 2x of course) I had the sudden realisation that I was bored out of my ******* brain!! and I wondered why I was even playing the game if this was all that I was going to be doing, like you said, rinse-repeat. So I managed to farm 500m mesos, which I know isn't a lot but I use these mesos to fund different characters which I have wanted to play or I have played before but a long time ago. So now I have made a Nightlord which is a first for me, a Corsair and Bishop which I have loved playing before (in 2011). I want to try different explorers in the near future too. I just use reboot world as a way to experience all classes that Maplestory has to offer without the pressure of needing to be the best. I enhance my equipment enough to get by and to kill monsters but other than that, it's just for me personally to see what the other classes have to offer and what their skills are like. Of course, money will run out so every now and then I will go back to farming mesos but it's only to keep my interest in the next class which I choose to try out.
Apologies for the long text but I hope some aspect of this may help get you out of your funk.