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Demon slayers are cooler and their wings are actually useful and look sick IMO

there is absolutely no contest between a DS and a Kaiser. the Kaiser will have the DS beat in every department when it comes to bossing.

What do you like more? Dragons or Demons?

Why are you guys even arguing with this guy about impact being better than Gigas wave in anyway. Let'em dream because any experienced person could tell you.
Impact is slower, you knew this before the revamp even came so dont get your hopes up about it being faster.
Your probably a new DS, or you dont know anything about what you speak of about both classes.
This crap about Gigas only being 1vs1 is complete crap, because all kaisers have to do is xform and its over, doesnt take any amount of time to refill that dragon guage if you know what your doing.
Not to mention to even get to the amount of hits kaiser does DS needs blue blood which has 120sec cd, while kaiser from the start already hits 9 times, and faster still than impact slow 7 hits.
Stop kidding yourself, the speed difference should CLEARLY not even be debated.

DS are much better at mobbing now that Demon Cry requires less Fury and gained 1 hit, so did all the other skills as well, most of DS' skills had their skills Fury consumption cut in half and Boundless Rage had its duration doubled. Go spam them skills~

I love how everyone just goes straight to comparing damage.

While kaisers do have massive damage output, demon slayers are a lot of fun overall, have a plethora of skills and have much cooler wings than kaisers.

Giga is a 1v1 skill while Impact hits multiple targets and I actually kill Crockies faster and solo Zak faster with my DS than with my Kaiser with the EXACT same gear.

[quote=jensanr12]Demon Slayer's Demon Impact does 350% dmg 7 times (with the hyper) and Giga does 11 hits, thats 350% x 7 = 2450% (4900% with Blue Blood) versus Kaiser's 200% x 11 = 2200%. Its clear here who the winner is.[/quote]

Demon Impact has a much longer cast time, Giga can hit like 3 times in a second so 2000%X3=6000%, plus it doesn't require a Hyper Skill with a cooldown to do it.

Demon Slayer's Demon Impact does 350% dmg 7 times (with the hyper) and Giga does 11 hits, thats 350% x 7 = 2450% (4900% with Blue Blood) versus Kaiser's 200% x 11 = 2200%. Its clear here who the winner is.

@nickbovv888: They don't have nearly as much as Demon Slayers. On Cerberus, they get +50% bossing damage (only applies to Cerberus though, I think). On Demon Impact, it's 30% built in.

I'm not saying Kaisers don't win, don't get me wrong. It's unfair to compare Kaisers to most classes nowadays. What I AM saying though, is that Demon Slayers should be better or similar to Kaiser for people without large amounts of funding. That much, I do believe in. Not to mention, the amount of damage Kaiser does, borders on unnecessary at most bosses. The newer ones definitely need that sort of damage, but other than Kaiser, Demon Slayers are still pretty high up in my opinion.

@AllDayErryDay: kaiser speed is 600ms on gigas, ds have 1.1ms on demon impact

not to mention that kaisers have wingbeatd and cursebite for a total of 42 attacks per seccong if you time well.. my lvl 140 kaiser can cap critical with just a 8% nebulite, phantom link skill and a crappy inner skill, also kaiser can bypass dr all the fight long and also defence/attack up or whatever is called, ds can bypass dr only for 28 seconds i think.. kaisers have more hp and %dmg reduction (which is nice since block wont work on some bosses post inlimited)

DS and Kaiser have similar DPM. With this new %def formula change in upcoming update, Kaiser will have slightly more benefit
but it really comes down to your playstyle and how much fun you have while playing each classes.
Kaisers have an excellent mobility that is easy to control comepared to DS but their skills get somewhat boring since you need to spam it a lot.
DS requires combination of different skills and i personally felt fun playing a DS however, their ability to deal damage on bosses are slightly lower than Kiasers.

@AllDayErryDay Feeling stronger and Being stronger are two different things so the argument is a bit repetitive.
DS can hit all the higher numbers it wants, Kaiser hits faster simple as that.

On the avenger note I dont think you should judge this class for the simple fact we dont have much info on it.

@SombraManx: I have a 200 Kaiser with around an 80-90k range, and a Demon Slayer at 161 with a 65k range. I have no bossing damage equipment (other than dojo gloves) on either character. I have every equipment slot filled up on my Kaiser, including totems.

My Kaiser struggles to hit any higher than around 165k hits non-crit, and 200k-ish crits with his attacks on bosses. My Demon Slayer hits about 410k each hit, with only MW 10, and lacking 40 levels worth of STR points. Not to mention... my Demon Slayer doesn't have totems, has NO hat equipped, no android, no shoulder, is missing about 30 attack from equips that my Kaiser has, and I only have 80% PDR. That damage is also without any damage increasing potions.

My point here is... I could hit around 500k (probably higher, around 600 or 650k) with my Demon Slayer, while my Kaiser is struggling to even hit 1/3rd of that. Granted, Kaiser is faster and has tons of skills, Demon Slayer FEELS stronger in comparison. Especially now, where Demon Slayer can hit 7 hits compared to Kaisers 9, and 14 in blue blood compared to Kaisers 11 (correct me if I'm wrong) in trans. The higher amount of hits through blue blood, and the sheer amount of power they have right now seems to either put them right on par, or better than Kaisers with similar-ish funding.

[quote=AllDayErryDay]If you ask me, Demon Slayers will be the better choice when unfunded. Forget Demon Avengers, because they seem a LOT worse off than both of these classes you're comparing.

Main reason being- Demon Slayers have built in bossing damage, as well as a ton of passive damage buffs (as well as one active 30% damage buff). Kaisers have a faster attack speed with more sources of damage than Demon Slayer, but Demon Slayer has an easier time matching the damage dealt than other warrior classes.

Basically~
Demon Slayers- Boss damage+high percentage attack skills= heavy damage with no need of intense funds.
Kaisers- A lot of passive attack+fast attacks+tons of skills= ridiculous damage, but you need the funding to bring it out.[/quote]

wtf are you talking about? psh, any kaiser with 0 funds can kill bosses a lot faster than any other classes

my kaiser with the lvl 120 set do 50k per gigas at lvl 140 (gigas + cursebite + wingbeat = mad dmg) a demon slayer would need a lot of fundings to do the same dpm at that lvl

but demon slayers mob way better and are more fun imo

also, demon avenegrs dont sux, they are pretty cool too

@AllDayErryDay Everything you said is true, but I like how you just dissed avenger...
*Emo corner*

If you ask me, Demon Slayers will be the better choice when unfunded. Forget Demon Avengers, because they seem a LOT worse off than both of these classes you're comparing.

Main reason being- Demon Slayers have built in bossing damage, as well as a ton of passive damage buffs (as well as one active 30% damage buff). Kaisers have a faster attack speed with more sources of damage than Demon Slayer, but Demon Slayer has an easier time matching the damage dealt than other warrior classes.

Basically~
Demon Slayers- Boss damage+high percentage attack skills= heavy damage with no need of intense funds.
Kaisers- A lot of passive attack+fast attacks+tons of skills= ridiculous damage, but you need the funding to bring it out.

I personally prefer demon slayer though kaiser is probably better unfunded just because their attacks are faster. With the new buff to demon slayers they hit the same number of times. And demon slayer isn't just spamming gigas wave like kaiser.

Kaisers better
Though just had a mini nerf but nothing too serious