General

Wow i love all of your point of views and @Dstriker666 you have a lot of great points!

As this game moves on and develops, so do the players who continue to play. Much like the phoenix that burns with life, dies and is reborn from its ashes, Maplers interest and devotion in the game does just that. We start off strong in the beginning and have a great interest in the game, play it with devotion and enjoy the challenge and the thrill, then eventually something would interfere with just an interest and have it wane, wither and die. Most people decide not to come back and complain on these forums forever trolling while in forum limbo, and mature players rise from the ashes and renew their interests themselves and make their time playing the game worthwhile for themselves and other players.

The old community always leaves at one point with any game. The problem isn't that the old community is disappearing, but that there is no "new" community to take their place. Maplestory fails to open up to new players because anyone who starts maple NOW is going to have a hard time earning mesos and may be discouraged by the people who are funded, especially if those funded people poke fun at them for being "n00bs" >:

Sometimes you need to act like an Old School player and pass the torch while living with the changes, thats what makes a dedicated and hardcore gamer after all. Basically you adapt to the game like any other and play it without the need to complain about every single detail. Hacking is an issue that will never go away... I mean NEVER. From my experience in studying Game Programming, I can say that breach in the coding is a constant wave in this ocean we call Maplestory. If you get swept by that tide, then it is up to you to swim up to the surface (adapt to the change and continue maple) or drown (just... quit and leave forums with something interesting not repetitive, this current thread is seen a lot but still hold some importance). Don't be surprised if you get flamed in this thread though, and asking people not to won't save you...

I have nothing against threads like this because people feel the need to complain about something that is constantly the main subject in the forums and always want a say in their opinion, that justifies it sometimes. Hacking on the other hand is something we need to know how to defend ourselves with on our own because Nexon no longer cares about their customers/ players. THEY DONT CARE, otherwise we would see more change instead of more damage. I lost at least half of my guild to hacking before and an entire guild in my previous joining of one, so I know what it is like to lose people from getting hacked; Not a nice feeling/ experience. You have to roll with the punches and know how to make a secure email, etc. There are plenty of forum threads to check up about protecting yourselves, just look up the forums for it yourselves.

If you wanna stay in the game you gotta work for it like everyone else, whether new players appreciate how we got to where we are now or not, it only matters how you yourselves deal with the change of the whole maple psychology of dmg horing and still hold your integrity. Me personally, I feel that I have an obligation to help people in my guild, myself and even the occasional new player asking for directions or tips. As Old School players we have the responsibility in a sense to at least guide or acknowledge new players for the better, even if they have been led in the wrong direction. This mentality usually isn't practiced by most players and Old School players also seem to be discriminitive against new players as some new players are to the Old School players... So this whole scenario depends on the relationship between the two type of players/ community, hacking is a separate issue.

I am sure people may have asked this, not sure, but I have NOT seen it ANYWHERE as an actual thread and it seems almost taboo...

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? Really, why rage about something that can be solved with a handshake, an apology or even a good old fashioned team effort boss run? I say that if something bothers you this much, take a break from the game for a bit then return with a positive attitude... C'mon guys! Step it up with the welcomewagon for new players not the hatewagon ;/

Have fun, Happy Mapling all

hackers is why the game is failing. There is no security in the accounts, there is no security in training, there is no security in walking through cities. Every aspect of the game can be directly and negatively influenced by some hacker in one way or another. That is what kills the game.

Some people say potential, though I recall playing Diablo 2 with its own random magic enhancement system and it did not kill the community or game. Some people blame the big bang, but the game was dying long before then. All that did was make it easier for hackers to run amok. Some even blame new jobs, Knights and pirate, but while the broken nature of them on release is horrible, still isn't such a detriment as hackers.

i think nexon really let maple slip thru their hands. i started playing during the 3rd anniversary, and back then pqing was something that was essential to game play. you got good exp from the pqs and you got stuff that was helpful, like broken glasses, pirate hat, and stuff that could make you money from the ludi maze quest.

I do realize that there are better games, but Maple isnt going anywhere anytime soon, it's a part of who I am. Maple has inspired me to draw, and it's even inspired me to want to make video games even MORE. Im in my last year of highschool and I still love Maple like I did in 7th grade! People have to realize that it is really a mature game in some ways and not really for babies like people think.

if only the 7-10 year olds would get over there pride (do they have pride?) and stop being mean... they come in with there good damage showing off that they 1: hack 2: beg and recive or 3: spend $100's of dollars on a game and they ks everyone

For a 'dying' game, it sure does have a lot of players, new content, and huge income.

I hope my business dies just as hard as MS- I'll be rich!

The game is not dying at all. Right now maplestory has more players than ever and the number is just raising. The maplestory we see today is definitely not what maplestory is to me. "Nexons" maplestory is just a new game with with Wizet's game name on it. The new exp curve is way to easy. I made a UAOutlaw yesterday got to 90 without even trying. The new map layouts are terrible. I hate the new center map in Vic for all the boats. Aran sucks, Evan sucks, Resistance is alright I like the story about it, KoC is alright the story behind it is alright. Nexon is just a money obsessed company, nothing we can do about it. They make pot so people spend tons of nx cubing. They make this 5atk popsicle event and all the popsicles have an expiration date so we have to buy nx to extend the time on it. We might as well get over it though because the change is not going to stop.

can we just go with hobbes' theory of state of nature, because it applies both to real humans, and characters simulating humans in a game

This is why I now play LoZ: OoT. <3 <3 <3 <3

@zcoinz: @zcoinz: The community of any MMO is the biggest factor of any game. The fact that Maplestory keeps shifting is based on the communities needs and wants. It's been evident since the release of Legends and Cygnus that the game has been slowly shifting toward Damage. The hacks have been pushing this even more and sadly Nexon isn't doing a great job of finding a solution to the hacks. 07 and 08 were stable times, in terms of economy, hacking and community,but now its gone all to hell. I will say that the economy is slowly stabilizing, but the hacks are getting out of hand. As a result, we see people competing to 200 by hacking and people becoming rich by duping and selling items they stole off of others. The addition of Cubes and Enhancements are also a factor to the communities want for more damage as well.

@zcoinz: thanks for responding however if these new hacks aren't exactly harmful and Nexon was able to run them properly without any real threat to the players, economy, or money rate... I would say go right ahead and watch Nexon hire some of the hackers to make the game a bit more interesting wouldn't you say? It I guess would stimulate some players to having a bit more fun and maybe increase their rep by a bit, maybe even post-pone Maple's upcoming downfall. This is what I believe...

@Ghoul10: I agree to your statement. It's quite a rational and mature answer. I'd rather that NEXON shuts the game down for a week and fix all these patches. This will make the players rage (some) except for those who understand. It'd make hackers think they can develop new hacks, but in reality NEXON will be changing the code making hackers go "wait whut? Aww dang!"

@xKlaudex: Yes! That's what I'm looking for! I didn't mean maplestory itself was dying. NEXON's making tons of money so kudos to them, but it's the community that is "dead". I personally thought 07 was pretty stable from what I've seen, but it was 09 that changed the world (earth) as a whole. It's the rational thinking not many have or will gain by complaining. It wont make things faster and really maplestory's community is a HUGE factor to the game.

[quote=zcoinz]@xIcyChillx: Oh! Also I forgot to mention that even though people want their problems to be resolved they have to develop patience especially with hackings. It's not a simple 1 minute process to just fix all the problems. They have to revise their code and get a lot of people in one team to do such things which as you can imagine takes a long time. This also makes the hard at work hackers able to attack first because hacks are easier to make than a game.[/quote]
This is exactly true but wouldn't it make a bit more sense to take down the game for a couple of days... just to fix the game, patch these new hacks, block the leak in the database? But of course... Nexon is a busy company so they may not put Maple down for a while. It would seem quite easier to deal with... fixing these current problems... but not from the ticket spam of children... of course if they work on it about a few days solid... given rests, more time to code, they can easily patch up the game before the hackers can find a simple loophole in the data to use, or a code that the hacker has written... Meaning it would simply be a stalemate until Nexon manages to take a upper hand... however if it was normal hacking, it would be fine as long as it's not a dc hack, dupe hack that actually hurts the economy, or an account hack and thank you for reading this. No Offense to you Hackers, but If you want to hack go ahead as long as your'e not hurting someone..., you could actually manage to help Nexon a bit by giving them a few tips or so... making this a pretty fun game ^_^ P.S. If you think I'm a goody goody two shoes... Your'e right I am... but without you guys to sometimes help out, I guess Nexon would've probably fallen apart by now

@zcoinz: Well, I'll see if Nexon actually "cares" or just copy pastas from KMS. It's basically a "see-it-then-i'll-believe-it" thing for me because it's just been so long with their crappy service.

I never felt like Maple was dying but I would say the community's morale as a whole has died.

I've played since Jan 07, shortly after Aqua Road came into play, and I can tell you that things are not as fun as they used to be. Yes, things are easier for everyone and there has been a vast amount of improvements but the style of Maple has shifted since 07; The game is now leaned toward Damage and hacking to strive.

The mass amounts of duping and hacking along with KS Wars are getting out of hand. None of these things used to be an issue back in 07; Hacking was limited to but a few back in 07 and it didn't even make a huge impact on the game. I would even go as far as saying hacking was considered an art back then, but now we have so much hacking going on that servers as whole have to feel the wrath of one's person quest to gain a few duped items or fame. Servers are constantly being crashed and hackers are constantly ruining the game play for others by DCing 'em or locking their account. Hell, there's even people who go as far as hacking [b]specific[/b] people to gain revenge. It has gotten terribly worse as the months progress and I don't see hope of it settling down. The consequences of Nexon not fixing or addressing any of the hacks has led to people to take matters into their own hands, which in turn is not a good outcome. People literally have to start downloading hacks to protect one's self from other hackers. Things that should be of no concern have become the greatest worry; having to avoid using the website, MTS and constantly having to change passwords and PICs are now a necessity.

It's not that the old generation of players have moved on causing the new generation of Maple to shift to a negative stream, it's the mass amount of hacking that is occurring causing the thought that Maple has died.

@xIcyChillx: Heh. That still must suck ):. Do you have another account? Do you still play in Khaini? I think we can become great friends!

@darklime: Not true that they don't care. They respond on the nexon forums and they made blabberbox for entertainment and a time for player's voices to be heard. They acknowledge what we have to say and the problems. It's just that people don't understand it takes time...LOTS OF IT.

I agree with your points. Yes, I can't do a better job than Nexon, but WHY do you bring the player in on THEIR job. That's like saying that you suck at writing English papers and Nexon says you suck; it's not Nexon's job to write English papers. Their job is to make money and in order to do that they need to keep this game running. Nexon IS doing their job, but not as players demand, which is a huge problem but they don't care anyways.

@stacy9911: aww that sucks ): I hope that things get better for you!

@xIcyChillx: Oh! Also I forgot to mention that even though people want their problems to be resolved they have to develop patience especially with hackings. It's not a simple 1 minute process to just fix all the problems. They have to revise their code and get a lot of people in one team to do such things which as you can imagine takes a long time. This also makes the hard at work hackers able to attack first because hacks are easier to make than a game.

@xIcyChillx: I know that people send our those tickets because on basil I see atleast one of those on a thread every week with someone telling their ticket story and then people in the comments telling their's. It's annoying, idiotic and it probably isn't the cup of coffee you'd like to see when you get to work now is it?

@mewforty: I agree that the nxers are better than us veterans in a matter of minutes. It's the most saddest thing ever. Maplestory is still FTP, but it feels like PTP to be pro . Also i'm not saying hackers weren't there before, but instead saying they weren't as bad and didn't make our gameplay worse by much. Plus back then all the players who spotted hackers would be like... "REPORT!"

the jews

@xIcyChillx: I don't think it's bad because that most of the tickets people send are about "OMG! My account got hacked!" or "OMG! Hackers! DO SOMETHING NEXON! WHAII YU BE BABBLING IDIOTS? U BE JELLY OF HACKERS?" These seem to pile up into NEXON's ticket logs and I think that they're aware and are trying to do their best to help us. They know that people's accounts are being hacked, but they can't do anything about it unless they logged EVERY thing that goes on on Nexon.net ,etc. Plus they WILL fix them some day it's not like NEXON appreciates that one list of 60+ problems in maplestory about the game itself. They are having a hard time and will do everything they can for us. It's just the people sending the same old tickets repeatedly will slow them down. Three times and I think they're aware it's a problem.

The bad Community is the downfall. Hackers are part of that community lol why did you think they had a seperate category?

@xIcyChillx: Yeah that hacked account thing must be a bummer but nothing we can really do now. Yes their costumer service is bad, but not as bad as people think. They start asking "Why?" Instead of "Why not?"

@iRecon: Oh...I remember Amoria in ch 1 XD. I agree 100%.

@RythmKiller "It's the people not the game." is exactly what i'm trying to get across here! It's not really the game itself that's really leading to a downfall. It's the people! The community! (This INCLUDES hackers)

@mapleck: Because they're smart enough to take advantage of damage obssesed people that can buy NX, otherwise why do they sell so much?
And yes it could have been a scroll, but if it was NX or in-game item doesn't matter.

I still blame (most of) community, especially hackers and such for how much MS sucks, but it's the people, not the game.

@xIcyChillx: I believe their customer service could be improved, but I don't see anything too wrong with it. I'm pretty sure -hime- in the nexon forums is already having a tough time with her staff trying to read all of our forum threads to see what's going on. I bet you they're aware, but they just can't find a solution to the hackings. If they let us know about what's going on though...that'd be nice.

[quote=RhythmKiller]Why do people blame Nexon for the damage? There's nothing wrong with liking damage, but the community is so full of themselves and discriminate because of damage differences. Things change and there's nothing wrong with it, it's the people that can't deal with change or that don't know how to change with stuff that cause trouble.

@ TS : If you say there's a new community comming, then the game isn't dying out, it's just changing.[/quote]

o__O then why did nexon introduce cubes which drain peoples monies D:
like, they could have been like a scroll type item but no...they made it nx

@iPoodles: Someone gets it
@xIcyChillx: A very compelling argument indeed, but I still go by what i've said however I believe that perhaps your point is a contributing factor! Indeed this is a reason...it's most definitely been annoying and I guess that I should've acknowledged that. Thank you.

I think its because they are changing too much.

That's a view I've never seen before. "The old players are different from the new ones, and the people who have known the game since it's early days are upset with what it's become. The old players quit due to realizing there's better things to do, and it leaves maple as a completely different game. For the old players who still play, rather than complaining, find other old players to complain with."

Or at least, that's what I got from it.

I joined as 4th job came out, a year after it's opening. I remember the old times, and I search for the good in the new times. I can't find many old players, but I'm trying to adapt to the new ones. My playing time decreased as soon as potential came out, as soon as the community died, as soon as it became maple 2.0 . I don't even know where people are anymore. It's such a full game, but it feels so empty.

[quote=mapleck]I've been playing ever since 1st anniversary

But yeah, ever since Nexon started emphasizing damage :l[/quote]

Why do people blame Nexon for the damage? There's nothing wrong with liking damage, but the community is so full of themselves and discriminate because of damage differences. Things change and there's nothing wrong with it, it's the people that can't deal with change or that don't know how to change with stuff that cause trouble.

@ TS : If you say there's a new community comming, then the game isn't dying out, it's just changing.

@achyif: Oh no! I'm quite happy but i'd like to open up every other basiler's eyes to what the reason is.
@Micheal: To be honest I would've quit, but I come in and leave then back and forth. I'm a true veteran, but I don't think i'll quit anytime this year maybe next year if high school gets tough.
@mapleck Me too!

[quote=KrazyShank]WE get three of these exact same threads everyday.[/quote]

Ahh so you're part of the new generation i see

[quote=KrazyShank]WE get three of these exact same threads everyday.[/quote]

And WE get people who just have to point that out everyday.

Yes i fully agree its time for us old timers to go and leave these raging morons and impolite people take over this game the old community was so much better everyone was much nicer and it wasnt so easy to get to 120 in the old days it was hard to get to lvl 70 but now i can get to 70 in 1 day so like WTF, idk bro i think im about done

any true veteran is long moved on

i agree

Dunno... I'm still going strong and even though you may feel like you and all of your friends have quit, a lot more haven't yet.
Only when nexon starts losing money will this game die, and that won't happen soon

I've been playing ever since 1st anniversary

But yeah, ever since Nexon started emphasizing damage :l