General

1. There is freedom, there is a level playing ground for the most part, wealth is available to those who are willing to take risks, to stand out, to be the best, and all citizens are seen as equal before the law.

2. Technically things are made of money. Money is what pays for all goods and services.

3. You live under rules because they help keep people safe. Without rules, it is likely that everything will go to crap

4. Isn't everyone's goal to get to the top? Don't complain that others have ambition and are willing to go the distance.

5. It is your responsibility as a citizen to remove politicians who are corrupt from power. If you government is corrupt, you have no one but yourself to blame.

As if any other form of government in the entire world is different than this.
If you don't want to live in modern civilized society, 2nd world, or 3rd world society, then go to Madagascar and live there on your own. Have fun.

@SomeJello cause the mods are all commies probably

Are you just figuring this out.

[quote=Zippo]Brainstorming a couple of thoughts;

in lands with democracy (I live in Denmark) it has been described as, freedom, fairness, wealth, equal rights, etc.
But is it really? I think not, the economy is a illusion, same is believing in democracy.[/quote]

Why? How is the economy and democracy an illusion? They currently exist all over the world. If you mean a perfect economy or democracy, I suppose that would make sense. Though both systems are working right now like they always have been.

[quote=Zippo]From the minute your born, whether you like it or not, your life depends on money, which is stupid, walls aren't made from money, neither is food. [/quote]

So what do you suggest as an alternative? Since the earliest days of humanity goods and services have been traded for other goods and services. If you really don't want to rely on money, then you have the freedom to go rely on yourself for all the things you currently have in life. Farm your own food, build your own house, etc.

[quote=Zippo]Is America, and any other democratic land, really a free land? Nope, you can't do what you want, you have to live by the goverments' rules, you have to play along in this foolish game that has been created. Or else you will be a outcast.[/quote]

Actually it's the rules of the people. The government is meant to be the will of the people in a democratic society. It's not foolish. If you want to live in a society dictated solely by morals, you'll find that the world isn't going to be as free of a place as you think it is. Also, what does being an outcast have to do with freedom? If you want to go do something that society looks down upon, you're free to do so as long as it isn't infringing on the freedom of others.

[quote=Zippo]From the goverment's perspective, you are only living in their country for 1 single reason; To earn money. Gain wealth, gain power.
Less money = Less rights
More Money = More Power.[/quote]

No, you're a citizen of the country. It is YOUR country. You decide why you live there, not the government.

[quote=Zippo]The world is controlled by stupid politicians, and not the citizens.
Freedom of Speech is a joke, human rights is a joke.
Many governments are filled with corrupt politicians, frauds, and so on.
The world is filled with censorship, copyright laws, war (which also only happens because of money).

Play the game or die, GL.[/quote]

So your entire argument is that a communist society/a society without money will produce no war, no copyright, no censorship, freedom of speech, human rights, and corruption free governments? I cannot even begin to explain how this kind of logic is flawed. What, might I ask, is your vision of a human utopia that would work as an alternative for the system we currently have? Even if these are just random thoughts completely thrown out there for consideration, they make absolutely no sense.

To this day, no one has been able to explain exactly how the economy works.

@Skyenets

Thanks for the consideration, i am over it by now, it's been a while since the episode.
Well, the lines i wrote are harsh and exaggerated, remember this was only quick thoughts and nothing in-depth.

@Zippo: As I'm originally from the Netherlands, I can't say I've truly suffered from anti-drugs laws in my life. I do believe that the most damaging drugs shouldn't be sold at all, though the ones that aren't as harmful should indeed be sold like you said, with proper information along side it. Getting educated is important, but there's too much conflicting information online.

As for what happened to you, I'm sorry. I think in that case you should have refused and be taken into custody, or fight them in a lawsuit for not taking the proper legal measures before doing that to you. Then again, theoretically everything is a lot easier.

All in all better information regarding drugs would be nice. Even here in the Netherlands where it's a normal and legal thing, we're misguided. But to say that the law generally prevents us from doing whatever we like, I still don't believe that's true. Especially not in the Netherlands and where I currently live (England).

[quote=Skyenets]Now is my question to you, how limited are you truly by the rules the government gives you in western European countries? Was there ever a time that you truly felt held back by a law? And even if there was a time like such, do you believe that law was misplaced?

As for money playing a huge factor in life, I can't be a proper judge of that. I've always been in a financially stable situation and it would be disrespectful for me to judge without past experience of either side. I do however believe that nobody (well, with a few exceptions of course) is restricted at birth by money, as someone can work hard and make it in life.[/quote]

I believe in the rights to do what you want, as long as it dose'nt hurt others. I believe that all drugs should be legal and sold in stores owned by the government. Why? You read the other line, i'm not a supporter of drugs (other than weed), i'm scared of them, i would never take them. But some drugs can be used for some peoples' benefits. So instead of being a criminal, cause the drug marketing will never go away. You could go to a shop and buy whatever go to your room and so on. Indstead people have to think by their own, "is it a good idea to take herion?, probaly not." The people who did drugs would become legit social-loosers, instead of cool kids and thugs.

For me personally; I have never been in need of money, im a middle-class citizen.
And yes, i got pulled over by the police one day (in central copenhagen), and i had about 1,5 g hashish on me (at my balls).
I was forced a full body search in puplic down a street, and they found the weed. It is illegal for the police to even search my pocket without proper suspicion, which pretty much is seeing me with weed in my hand, weird activaty, throwing something. And i was just walking down the road... Now, For a police officer to search a persons private parts, they must have a judge confirmation, which they didnt have. But what could i do ? They were acting violent, threathing to take me to custody.
So, i got a ticket of 2500 danish crowns (about 450 Dollars), + 2 years spot on my criminal record.
The punishment itself i could bare, but the humiliation, no.
So i decided to lay charges on the two police officers involved, but the case was dropped after 2 weeks with no further investigation.
This haven't just happen to me, it happens alot. And nothing happens...
I'm sitting here thinking? Is this really fair? The law itself that weed is illegal is stupid, but the cobs being so exetremly power lecherous is indesribable disgusting.
I pay taxes for the part-time job i have, i go to school and educate myself, i'm a nice person, well apparently not cause i enjoy smoking a joint once or twice a month. (i still do)

I think a serious issue in the world is hard work doesn't guarantee good pay. No one can deny it.

[quote=SomeJello]So my thread about going to a drive in gets deleted, but this doesn't? I have no words [/quote]
Blame democracy and money ! !

Your critique should be on money, not democracy.

Now is my question to you, how limited are you truly by the rules the government gives you in western European countries? Was there ever a time that you truly felt held back by a law? And even if there was a time like such, do you believe that law was misplaced?

As for money playing a huge factor in life, I can't be a proper judge of that. I've always been in a financially stable situation and it would be disrespectful for me to judge without past experience of either side. I do however believe that nobody (well, with a few exceptions of course) is restricted at birth by money, as someone can work hard and make it in life.