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[quote=BattleRawr]Anyone notice after this revamp we will nearly be on par with the number of hits as a BM with AFA + hurricane? This is assuming you have perfect control . BMs have 850 hits per min but with phoenix they will get 880 hits since phoenix hits once every 2 secs. While bams get 100 casts of tele+FB that's 700 hits, and 40% of 200 is 80 from FA that's a heffy 680 hits per min, making us faster than evans and any other mage. Also we can get 3 hits per second from our DoT thats another 180 hits/m. so.. that gives us around 860 hits per min?[/quote]

You added wrong. It should be 780 hits per min with just FB+ Tele + Finisher. If the DoT works on bosses that would bring us ip to 960 which... is more than the BM. Of course that relies on perfect control (without the teleport it drops down to 820) and the DoT might be hard to maintain at max stack constantly. Either way.... it's a pretty damn high amount of hits per min. Still no where close to what a Merc or Mech can pull off but impressive nonetheless.

[quote=darkaznblo0d]ok so ive seen a few vids of BaMs in the new revamp and yes there is still a difference in attack speeds.

watch this vid.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDEzNDk4NDI4.html?f=17731001

for the first (how ever long body booster lasts) is pretty much how fast ele staff is gonna be. after that u really notice that the attacks are slower (when body booster is off)

so yes, there is still a difference in attack speeds

PS. LOOK AT ALL THOSE CRITS and look how nonstop hes attacking! im really gonna enjoy my 90% crit with finishing blow when this revamp is out! and 100% crit on bosses![/quote]

oh boy faster attacks i love it!

IMO, I don't care about weapon speed. What matters to me is just being able to kill the mob.
B>Flame 1 meso.

@Kalemora: Well I [i]think[/i] you just round to the nearest 30 except in cases where it is exactly 15 away from either possible answer in which case you default to rounding up. I could be wrong though.

@Mystelteinn: I find it awesome that I honestly just picked 810MS randomly (actually originally I picked 800 but then realized it has to be divisible by 30 so changed it to 810) and it turns out that IS the new speed. So yeah an Ele should still be a good deal better than the DTM staff and if it wasn't for the change to the CD on BB (not that I am complaining about it lol) it would be a LOT better comparatively than it is now but because of that change it should make things stay more or less the same. Of course it will soon be harder to get glitched Decent SI so that will make the difference even larger again (for newly created BaMs at least or those who haven't gotten it yet).

Also I think it will be possible to get a 100% crit rate now. 5% base, 40% from Staff Mastery, 10% from a crit ring, 10% from Phantom linked skill, 20% from Battle Rage, and... hmmm only 10% from Decent SE. So we need 5% more crit rate.... unless you happen to have it on a weapon or Neb or something. Oh and the crit damage would be 145%-165% of your non-crit damage which is pretty sweet IMO.

Hmmmm using the character card system you could get 4% crit from a level 200 MM for 99% crit rate. Oh and a level 200 (although 120+ would probably work for this one) Mechanic gives +20% buff duration which should allow Battle Rage to be on 24/7 (not accounting for possible dispels) and BB to be on 80% of the time (assuming it works like I think it does and it works on all buffs which are both very big ifs....).

Edit: Decent CO could give you the last few % crit needed come to think of it.

ok so ive seen a few vids of BaMs in the new revamp and yes there is still a difference in attack speeds.

watch this vid.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDEzNDk4NDI4.html?f=17731001

for the first (how ever long body booster lasts) is pretty much how fast ele staff is gonna be. after that u really notice that the attacks are slower (when body booster is off)

so yes, there is still a difference in attack speeds

PS. LOOK AT ALL THOSE CRITS and look how nonstop hes attacking! im really gonna enjoy my 90% crit with finishing blow when this revamp is out! and 100% crit on bosses!

@Cthulhusama: God, Tyler, gotta love when you get all serious!

Nice math btw. I'm just too lazy to do it, or gather it from the extraction files...

I'd have to look at the new skill delays to be sure but the elemental staves will likely still be better. Changing the skill delays won't change anything about reaching the speed cap or not since those are two different parts of the equation. Basically you take the the skill delay (990 for FB before this update) divide it by 16 and then multiply the result by (10+ weapon speed). Then you round it to the nearest multiple of 30. So in the case of FB you take 990/16*12 with an Ele and booster, 990/16*15 for a DTM with AYA and Booster, 990/16*14 for AYA, Booster, and either Decent SI or BB, and 990/16*13 for AYA, BB, Booster, and DSI. So right now the differences are as follows:

Fastest 2: 750 MS or 80 attacks per minute.
Faster 3: 810 MS or 74 attacks per minute.
Fast 4: 870 MS or 69 attacks per minute.
Fast 5: 930 MS or 65 attacks per minute.

If they changed the base speed of FB to say 810 MS (random number) things would change as follows:

Fastest 2: 600 MS or 100 attacks per minute.
Faster 3: 660 MS or 91 attacks per minute.
Fast 4: 720 MS or 83 attacks per minute.
Fast 5: 750 MS or 80 attacks per minute.

So the difference between a DTM staff and an Ele right now is around 12% (accounting for BB) but if they changed the speed to 810 MS (again this is just a random number) it would be closer to 15%. Actually thanks to the changes to BB it would really wind up closer to 12% anyway (since you would be spending about 2/3 of the time with a BBed AYA rather than the 1/2 the time we get right now) but the point of it is that increasing the speed of the attack actually makes having a faster weapon [b]more[/b] important. So if anything there is more reason to get an Ele after this update.

You can use Ele staves to be even faster.

[quote=ialberttran]^^^ Most Likely. Although, isn't there a attack speed cap? Correct me if I'm wrong. If they increase the speed enough, maybe we can hit max speed with the dt staff?[/quote]

thats wat im saying! all the Blow skills got sped up and we can hit attack speed cap with it out without having to use body booster. if not, attacking with ele staff is gonna be CRAZY fast.

^^^ Most Likely. Although, isn't there a attack speed cap? Correct me if I'm wrong. If they increase the speed enough, maybe we can hit max speed with the dt staff?

[quote=Mystelteinn]I'm pretty sure that even if they reduce the delay, as long as they don't mention we won't be weapon speed dependant, then the difference between faster and slower weapons will still apply.[/quote]

so we would be attacking like CRAZY fast with ele staff when this update gets to GMS compared to empress staff?

I'm pretty sure that even if they reduce the delay, as long as they don't mention we won't be weapon speed dependant, then the difference between faster and slower weapons will still apply.

id get it for style but actually use ele staff while training lol