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[quote=Kleptophiliac]Put it this way, you'd be spending your UA on shark wave to make 3rd job faster, or a fancy medal and weak extra summon for your drk.
Honestly, of all the warriors dk benefit the least from driver since 3rd job is focused on having more attacks and not too many buffs (iirc wisdom only worked for certain skills, but it might have changed), and then 4th job you have DI, so driver would only be needed if you REALLY like the animation of it. If you really want to get the most out of driver try a pally (I am [b]not[/b] saying they're strong in any way, but they use driver the best out of all the warrior excluding dawn warrior), and if you want to get the most out of your warrior try a hero.
As far as sairs go, they're getting a revamp fairly soon, just wait for that to come then go do your thing with them. I didn't look into sairs much just because I don't care about them, but they're obviously getting better, I don't know how much better that will be for training speed up to 12O, though. Even if they're fast, might as well use shark wave since it's fast and has a great horizontal range, but you'll still never use it in 4th job like most UA skills.[/quote]

I wouldn't make a Pally just because they use SD better.

As much as I hate its animation, DBS by far > SW. SW only has a horizontal and vertical range advantage.

Now I can't make the post I wanted to make.

Well, kuora, just use copy+paste next time =)!

@kuora: nobody is ganging up on you, you have your views, we have ours, you share yours, we share ours.

you think not providing an answer that is easy to find mean, i think otherwise. the whole "give a man a fish vs teach him how to fish" thing. if you want to help, by all means go ahead, i'd rather have the person be self-sufficient instead.

if someone asked me on my face something, i'd ask them to tell me what they know. if it's frequently asked, it can be easily found.

and about this part:
"Would you say 'Google it' to someone in the face if someone asked you a very simple question?"

it depends, familiar as i am with the methods of teaching, yes, if it's a very simple question i WOULD make you look for it, THEN you can come and ask about what you found and what you don't understand (thinking student-mentor relationship) having a student become self sufficient is as important as making sure he knows his stuff. this applies online besides real life.

you can choose wether to stop commenting or not, up to you, i don't mind. the pointless discussion is well, pointless as you said, so sure drop it. but ivege is as entitled to those kinds of posts as you, he's simply more blunt.

@kuora: we don't insult them (for the most part, there are a few special guys out there), we just are pretty direct on the "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH" part, even more so when the answer is stupidly easy to find, even MORE so when it's in a guide. if people can't put effort in helping themselves, i honestly don't feel like putting effort in helping them.

my posts where i go "if only there was a [b]GUIDE[/b]..." are still more helpful than nothing, it informs the OP that the answer is somewhere, and that i am NOT going to spoonfeed him, again, do your own research

ivege may be blunter than me, doesn't make any less of his comments.

also, noticed you're the one that said that our calculations are useless, that post had less quality than ivege's, and if anything one could even say it's flame-like. as for "the calculations will mean nothing in the change of gameplay" there's no way to know that, look at mages and their normalized speed spells, look at sac VS impale, etc etc.

and i don't do it out of dedication for this game, i do it because it helps me keep math fresh, plus i enjoy the math, the fact it helps my damage comes at the very end.

anyways, on topic:
OP should research on his own, the answer to basic questions is already there, and as kashimiya proved, the answer is a google away (or frontpaged)
should ask questions about stuff he has trouble with afterwards, specific parts of the comparison he didn't understand
if the question is in a guide/easy to find, any DrK that has been here long enough won't answer him directly, and instead will mention that the answer is somewhere

you can read it as "OP so lazy to google, i'm too lazy to answer your question, it's somewhere, have a shovel and start digging"

same reason why YOU weren't helpful to the OP, why should YOU look for it?
we already answered the question somewhere, that's our half of the job, OP can do the other half and find it.

@kuora:
I can understand that viewpoint, but I still don't think it's justified that people should receive helpful and thoughtful answers that us DrK subforum regulars have to put effort into when those who ask the questions haven't put any effort into researching what they're asking.
As young as they may be, it wouldn't be an absurd claim to assume that if they can create a thread to ask this, they can also simply google the answer would it?
I don't agree with insulting the people who ask, but I don't see any signs of insulting in the first post.

I do see him 'insulting' some of the other people who posted, only because the information they've given isn't exactly accurate. (which I must admit he could've simply corrected by giving the actual answer, but again, an agreed upon answer is in the google search)

I noticed you made a comment about our calculations and what not being pointless in that thread about Final Toss, so I figured I may as well address it while I'm at it.
By understanding how the game works a little better, we can go back to old findings and revise them.
That way we feel that we can confidently give people advice that is more objective and more justified (in terms of what to upgrade to)
Maybe you're unaware, but compared to most classes, warriors do have some sort of choice in weapon speed (and in particular Dark Knights and Arans), which affects total damage output.
So I'm going to have to disagree with you there.

I hope we can agree on that at least.

@kuora:
Let me start off by saying that I'm not defending anyone here (out of favouritism anyway)
Yes, iVege is blunt like that, if you've spent enough time on these subforums you would know this.
I'll admit he could be a little more reserved in communicating frustration.

Now that's out of the way, I would have to disagree with your statement with it being on topic.
First of all, TS posted this on the [b]DrK subforums[/b], iVege merely pointed out why we he's asking us about Corsairs here.

The TS could have simply googled "UA Dark Knight pros and cons basilmarket" and he would've gotten [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2401417/0/Ua_Spearman_Comments.html]this[/url], which answers half his post within the first three posts.

We have answered this type of question many many times and it does get tedious to answer the question over and over again.
I would not mind answering TS' question had it been something more specific, I'm sure many others would too.
A question asking about a DrK's survivability on bosses would be much more well received than "UA DRK PROS AND CONS PLS", the latter just shows that he's lazy.
Reading the guides and using a little bit of common sense would give the TS some sort of idea of what the class is like.
We encourage useful and relevant discussion and being self sufficient on these subforums, we don't want to spoonfeed people when the answer is a google search away.

The only question there that is remotely relevant is the one about who benefits more from being a UA.
As iVege bluntly puts it, "soul driver sucks".
It really has no use for Dark Knights outside of PvP, and the only time you'd consider using it would be during levels 50-70 (at which Ground Smash is an acceptable substitute)
Again, that's answered by the topic given by the google search.

[quote=kuora]Lol, this kind of Dark Knights are the ones you should ignore and not to follow. I hate when 'old' players try pretending as if they are so mighty. If you're going to say this kind of rubbish, I suggest that the next time see see threads like this, simply press the arrow button at the very top left side of your browser.[/quote]

Even though I said nothing wrong? I am not an 'old player' (or veteran, as I would call it). I am not pretending to be mighty. What even gave you that idea? If anything, your post is more rubbish since you didn't even contribute to the topic of thread unlike my post.

[quote=kuora]Basilmarket is where Maplestory players can exchange in-game goods, and furthermore, exchanging information. The latter part is the part what Basilmarket is more well known for. You kind of people lower the reputation of us basilers and I personally think you don't even have the right to say this kind of stuff to this individual.[/quote]

Basilmarket is where Maplestory players can exchange in-game goods, and furthermore, exchanging information. The latter part is the part what Basilmarket is more well known for.This is done through its [b]forum feature[/b]. Which means you must follow [b]forum conventions[/b]. Heck, Mr. Basil even created [b]forum rules[/b] to inforce the conventions! As you should know, posting in Basil means you must [b]abide by these rules[/b]. You kind of people lower the reputation of us Basilers by [b]going off-topic[/b] and [b]defending off-topic subjects[/b] and I personally think you don't even have the right to say this kind of stuff to this individual that is myself.

[quote=kuora]So in conclusion, either help or get out.[/quote]

So in conclusion, either start posting on-topic, stop defending off-topic subjects like the ones the TS presented (and I pointed out) or [b]GET OUT[/b].

[quote=awesomeplayer2]the 3rd job [b]poision [/b]is they'r [b]fire [/b]attack thing,forgot how it's called and unfortuanly gets removed in justice.[/quote]

i am confused

@awesomeplayer2: it's flamethrower and i didn't even use it in my 3rd job. used slow sharkwave. and it's being replaced by a better attack

[quote=Drag0nLlght]@iVege: even if it is possible inaccurate, you can still thank people. you are the reason people have no faith in the newer generation (assuming you are younger than me)[/quote]

IF he's newer generation, which i doubt, but still, IF, he makes me happy.

Pirates get more permanent HP/MP from that UA quest.

So they benefit more.

Thank me later.

You're basically asking us to choose your playstyle.

[quote=Drag0nLlght]wow.. thanks for that long list +1 cookie for you.

and what would that poison skill for 3rd job for sairs be? I don't believe they have one

[url=http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=51791][/url] and [url=orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/kmst-ver-1-2-409-thief-and-pirate-reorganization/][/url][/quote]

the 3rd job poision is they'r fire attack thing,forgot how it's called and unfortuanly gets removed in justice.

[quote=Drag0nLlght]even if it is possible inaccurate, you can still thank people. you are the reason people have no faith in the newer generation (assuming you are younger than me)[/quote]

I see. The next time someone suggests suicide to my problems I'll thank them instead of telling them how bad his suggestion was.

And that is, if @awesomeplayer2 was even helping me in the first place. He wasn't; he was 'helping' the TS. I have no reason to thank him as I don't need his list nor was his list intended to help me, but I do have the reason, right and ability to comment on what he wrote.

"Wow, thanks so much for giving him Flame Gear even though I have no idea who he is. Or who you are, for that matter."

@iVege: even if it is possible inaccurate, you can still thank people. you are the reason people have no faith in the newer generation (assuming you are younger than me)

[quote=KoreanNick]You seem like you're PMSing a lot man. Chill out with that.[/quote]

Why did you quote that post?

And you know his list was bad.

[quote=iluvsarah]Trust me, that's him being normal. If you ask a few of the other warrior lurkers of this website, they'll probably tell you the same or something similar.

As for the TS's question, I picked a ua dk purely out of preference. Honestly, it had little to do with SD minus the whole light and dark symmetry that it would have in 4th job. I probably only used SD in 3rd job for about a day. After that, dfury was a high enough level for it to be more useful.

On a side note, I'm curious to see iVege pmsing. What would that be like? Skittles and rainbows, or maybe guns and roses? The sky's the limit. XP[/quote]

HAHA

Now now, stop bashing on our little Vegemite. Like @iluvsarah said, he's being his little blob of dottiness as usual.

OT: Maybe you didn't see my thread 'before you make a thread'. Fair enough considering it's kinda at the bottom, but this was at the top when I first saw this pop up. Pretty much anything > a DrK. Making a UA DrK is simply a waste(unless if you're doing it for the light/dark thing, then by all means).

Additionally, those who say UA DKs are BORING need to be put out of their misery. Third job was my most fun time of training, since I'm using more than two skills.

FTL: Don't bash vegetables, UA corsair all the way

[quote=iVege]I was going to reply to him saying how inaccurate his list was, but now that you've thanked him [b]and[/b] gave him a cookie I don't know what to do anymore.[/quote]

You seem like you're PMSing a lot man. Chill out with that.

[quote=Drag0nLlght]wow.. thanks for that long list +1 cookie for you.

and what would that poison skill for 3rd job for sairs be? I don't believe they have one

[url=http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=51791][/url] and [url=orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/kmst-ver-1-2-409-thief-and-pirate-reorganization/][/url][/quote]

I was going to reply to him saying how inaccurate his list was, but now that you've thanked him [b]and[/b] gave him a cookie I don't know what to do anymore.

[quote=awesomeplayer2]benefit the most from ua skill:sair
if you boss alotk (sairs are extremly fragile making it be hard to boss with one)
cost of class and fundsre justice sair post justice DK
pros of DK:
rarely use hp potions (i only use hp potions on bosses that hit 5k+ on me or have seduce or 1/1)
good damage and speed
can hit quite high unfunded (i was hitting 30k on lvl 120 with imaple 5 times with only 20% str)
10 secs cooldown ultimate (awesome for training)
good in pvp
very good in mobbing
cons:
hard to find books
% str costs alot
slow (unless you have decent haste)
sair:
pros:
can hit quite high even without lots of funds (only on the low lvls though when most ppl are still unfunded)
battleship <3
easy to find books
funds don't cost alot (for now,after justice good luck with it unless you like selling you'r house to buy more nx)
benefits alot from ua skill
lots of summuns
poision attack in 3rd job
cons:
weak next to other high lvled people
fragile
bad in pvp
not very good in mobbing
can't rush the mobs
i think these are most of the pros and cons,but if you just want to benefit from the ua skill than go for sair,if not only just for that than i say go for dk[/quote]

wow.. thanks for that long list +1 cookie for you.

and what would that poison skill for 3rd job for sairs be? I don't believe they have one

[url=http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=51791][/url] and [url=orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/kmst-ver-1-2-409-thief-and-pirate-reorganization/][/url]

benefit the most from ua skill:sair
if you boss alotk (sairs are extremly fragile making it be hard to boss with one)
cost of class and fundsre justice sair post justice DK
pros of DK:
rarely use hp potions (i only use hp potions on bosses that hit 5k+ on me or have seduce or 1/1)
good damage and speed
can hit quite high unfunded (i was hitting 30k on lvl 120 with imaple 5 times with only 20% str)
10 secs cooldown ultimate (awesome for training)
good in pvp
very good in mobbing
cons:
hard to find books
% str costs alot
slow (unless you have decent haste)
sair:
pros:
can hit quite high even without lots of funds (only on the low lvls though when most ppl are still unfunded)
battleship <3
easy to find books
funds don't cost alot (for now,after justice good luck with it unless you like selling you'r house to buy more nx)
benefits alot from ua skill
lots of summuns
poision attack in 3rd job
cons:
weak next to other high lvled people
fragile
bad in pvp
not very good in mobbing
can't rush the mobs
i think these are most of the pros and cons,but if you just want to benefit from the ua skill than go for sair,if not only just for that than i say go for dk

@iVege: Dragon Fury hits 8 monsters! Woot!

@hiboom: lol, dragon fury is way better than sd, and we have tons of attacking skills. In third job we have a total of FOUR. Dragon Fury for heavy mobbing, Dragon Buster for a couple of enemies only, Sac for only one enemy, and Dragon Roar for out ultimate. I dont see how thats not many moves, seeing how white knights get only ONE.

[quote=lansh]how can you compare flame gears to ground smash? Ground Smash is an attacking skill, and Gears is a skill with makes a wall, and lets you use other attacks while its up. Oil and water dont mix. Ground Smash is way worse than gears anyways. Only four enemies.....*shiver*. If i ever make another explorer warrior non-ua, im just going to spam slash blast until 70.[/quote]

Dragon Buster only hits 3 monsters. *SHIVEERSS*

[quote=hiboom]Drk:
Cons: BORING, I did make a UA DK, and got extreamly bored, you just spam SD till you hit level 120, NOT FUN.
Also not many moves, there are maybe 2 or 3 moves that are worth using
Crosiars:
everything is good about them, there super fun[/quote]

You need to learn how to play your class and how to spell Corsair.

[quote=hiboom]Drk:
Cons: BORING, I did make a UA DK, and got extreamly bored, you just spam SD till you hit level 120, NOT FUN.
Also not many moves, there are maybe 2 or 3 moves that are worth using
Crosiars:
everything is good about them, there super fun[/quote]

what exactly is "everything is good"?

how can you compare flame gears to ground smash? Ground Smash is an attacking skill, and Gears is a skill with makes a wall, and lets you use other attacks while its up. Oil and water dont mix. Ground Smash is way worse than gears anyways. Only four enemies.....*shiver*. If i ever make another explorer warrior non-ua, im just going to spam slash blast until 70.

[quote=Clyde32]This is a biased answer because it's in the warrior section but i still say Sair[/quote]

actually, i did post one in the pirate section, but no one responded (i posted the one on sair section first)
[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2424981][/url]

well most people say go with the sair. kk i will do sair. and btw i heard shark wave is incredibly slow because of no knuckle booster?

and LOL at the flame war

[quote=suomirox123]Yes, yes I did.[/quote]

Okay, well don't. They are very equal.

@iVege: Yes, yes I did.

This is a biased answer because it's in the warrior section but i still say Sair

[quote=suomirox123]Why mention a inferior skill like Ground Smash instead of a God-like skill Flame Gear?[/quote]

Did you... just call Ground Smash inferior?

@iVege: Why mention a inferior skill like Ground Smash instead of a God-like skill Flame Gear?

[quote=Blamer]He asked basil a question, you're a part of basil aren't you? Instead of answering you're negative and your attitude is kinda dôuchebag-ish[/quote]

I did answer. What are you on about?

[quote=suomirox123]I'm still wondering why you haven't mentioned flame gear in this thread already.[/quote]

Why mention Flame Gear when I have a perfect opportunity to mention [b]Ground Smash[/b]?

[quote=iVege]why would I need to respond to the ts. he never asked me anything. I already answered one or more of his questions, what else do you want.

oh, rainbows and sunshine.[/quote]
I'm still wondering why you haven't mentioned flame gear in this thread already.

[quote=Blamer]Every comment from you is either negative or it is a comment where you are want to put someone in bad light. Respond to ts if you know so much, spread your knowledge.[/quote]

why would I need to respond to the ts. he never asked me anything. I already answered one or more of his questions, what else do you want.

oh, rainbows and sunshine.

[quote=mew4321]Both Drks and Sairs use their UA skill only through 3rd job, and since Drks already a lot of mobbing moves, I'd say Sairs benefit most from UA, because it makes 3rd job literally [i]a breeze.[/i] Sairs are pretty good bossers with Battleship Torpedo, which can hit 4 zakum arms at once, and Battleship cannon, our main 1v1 skill. Corsairs though are really squishy with little hp. If you're looking for a class with a lot of HP and defense, go Drk, which has HB. Drks are really good at mobbing compared to other warriors, but they seem to be lacking in 1v1 skills, even though sacrifice is pretty good. Also, it's kind of a preference of attacking from close or attacking from far away.[/quote]

we are one of the worst warrior mobbers. our defense is not 'lots'. it's 'okay'.

...

did you just say ua skill through 3rd job for dks?

what.

[quote=Drag0nLlght]Can i get a list of pros and cons of each class?[/quote]

no.

and why do you expect us drks to give you a list of pros and cons for sairs?

[quote=Drag0nLlght]Which one benefits more from UA?[/quote]

all i know is soul driver sucks.