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[quote=kruimel0]Aight. Let's see this, I'll make some excel file to see how much int = m.a at level 150 (then you have 25+150*5 = 775 AP).

Well.
Let's state that he has 75 LUK, and thus 700 INT, and 200 m.atk. His max damage then is 5750 (post-BB).
If I use 201 m.atk, I get a max damage of 5750 when I use an INT of 696,4. That means for these numbers, 1 M.Atk = 3,6 int.

Alos, comparing M.Atk with INT (or W.Atk with STR for that matter) is actually pretty totally useless, as that numbers is hugely varying over the levels and amount of funding. Therefore, it's changing every level/item upgrade.[/quote]

Yep, I know the ratio of int-ma changes as you level and other factors, but I thought that post-BB, 3-5 INT will equal 1 MA regardless of other criteria. Pre-BB 1int = 1ma in terms of damage. The question would be: how is it possible (post-big bang) to equate .8 magic att to 1 int? I had a mistake in the previous post about that. lol

[quote=kruimel0]Naw, I just updated the post with a few calculations ^^[/quote]

I'm not sure that I'm understanding your post. If 28% int = 22% magic, that would mean ~.8 int = 1 ma. How would that be possible?

[quote=kruimel0]Actually... 28% int isn't that much worse then % damage/M.Atk. Actually, as the formula for mages will be 1*(INT*4+LUK)*(M.ATK/100), 28% Int will be the same as (28%*4)/5 = 22% damage/M.Atk, which seems like a pretty huge buff (at least better then 6/6/6% dmg/m.atk).[/quote]

I thought that post-BB ~5 INT = 1 MA (for higher lvls). Wouldn't that mean 28% int would be the same as around 9-10% magic att?

[quote=DragonzSage]If that is the case why even keep the second one unless you plan to scroll it? If the first one does about the same damage to bosses and more to monsters, it seems like you can sell the second one.[/quote]

Valid point, but I do not want to mess with the first one, so the second one will be a backup until it overtakes the first one in bossing damage. I'm planning on perhaps re-cubing the second one until that happens. I'm also looking to get an ewand 6 with 3 stats on it to make my chances of getting the best possible outcome higher. Selling the second one is not out of the question though.

[quote=IImaplers]You should definitely KEEP the stats on that wand. I suggest getting another one and cubing it for 30% bossing+8%magic. I have 2 e-wand 6s:

1st Ewand 6: 14 int, 170 magic att, 0 slots, 12% int, 8% magic -- m.att with it (plus other equips+MW) = 1870 (SS: http://i38.tinypic.com/ifydsj.jpg)
2nd Ewand 6: 2 int, 149 magic att, 7 slots, 30% bossing 8% str (meh) -- m.att with it (plus other equips+MW) = 15xx

Comparing the 2 of them, they both do the same damage against neutral bosses, but the second one does WAYYY lower damage against regular monsters. If only I had 30% bossing and 8% magic on the second one, it would make me deal a lot more on bosses.

Thing is, I don't know if it is indeed possible to get 30% bossing and 8% magic on the same item. But if it is, you should go for it.

edit: summary- keep that wand and get a backup one with 30% bossing and 8% magic for bossing (if possible) xD[/quote]
If that is the case why even keep the second one unless you plan to scroll it? If the first one does about the same damage to bosses and more to monsters, it seems like you can sell the second one.

You should definitely KEEP the stats on that wand. I suggest getting another one and cubing it for 30% bossing+8%magic. I have 2 e-wand 6s:

1st Ewand 6: 14 int, 170 magic att, 0 slots, 12% int, 8% magic -- m.att with it (plus other equips+MW) = 1870 (SS: http://i38.tinypic.com/ifydsj.jpg)
2nd Ewand 6: 2 int, 149 magic att, 7 slots, 30% bossing 8% str (meh) -- m.att with it (plus other equips+MW) = 15xx

Comparing the 2 of them, they both do the same damage against neutral bosses, but the second one does WAYYY lower damage against regular monsters. If only I had 30% bossing and 8% magic on the second one, it would make me deal a lot more on bosses.

Thing is, I don't know if it is indeed possible to get 30% bossing and 8% magic on the same item. But if it is, you should go for it.

edit: summary- keep that wand and get a backup one with 30% bossing and 8% magic for bossing (if possible) xD

28% int?

Oh. My. God. D:

[quote=Etrieys]You're stuck where I am. It's like, 30% Boss + 8% / 12% Magic / INT would be better, but 28% INT = O_O[/quote]

28% int is really reallllyyyyy rare for any equip so that by itself is great to me, but 30% boss damage is really good too.

I kind of agree with Donphaan... I would sell it, buy another of around the same stats and try to aim for 30% boss damage... if you really don't want to do that then yeah, I would continue to cube.

[quote=gtbROX]That's now how int/magic works. 28% more int won't be exactly 28% more damage since the more int/magic you have the less each individual int/magic is worth.

OT: I really don't know what you should do lol...That 28% int is pretty dam good, but 30% boss damage is so good too.[/quote]

You're stuck where I am. It's like, 30% Boss + 8% / 12% Magic / INT would be better, but 28% INT = O_O

[quote=LimeLahv]well think of it, here you have 28% int + which is 28% more magic. Thats theoretically 28% more dmg, no? If its not then this statement is pointless but if that is true than you will have 28% more dmg. Would you sacrifice 28% more dmg for 2% more dmg but only for bosses? If you give up on pqs/grinding then go for it, if you still like to kill non boss mobs then dont do it. Now if you get 30% boss dmg and + magic/int % then its a different story, but i wouldstay if i were you[/quote]

That's now how int/magic works. 28% more int won't be exactly 28% more damage since the more int/magic you have the less each individual int/magic is worth.

OT: I really don't know what you should do lol...That 28% int is pretty dam good, but 30% boss damage is so good too.

Did u consider the fact that u could be getting butt loads of more MP?

[quote=DragonzSage]Then go for the stats you want on your weapon. If you do get them before the BB then start on your other equips cause the magic cap is being lifted after the BB I believe.[/quote]

Magic doesn't exist after Big Bang. We get a damage range.

[quote=Etrieys]Max magic, so yeah, no POINT cubing anything else.[/quote]

Then go for the stats you want on your weapon. If you do get them before the BB then start on your other equips cause the magic cap is being lifted after the BB I believe.

[quote=DragonzSage]If you have nothing else to cube right now then cube it for 30% Boss Damage + INT / Magic %[/quote]

Max magic, so yeah, no POINT cubing anything else.

If you have nothing else to cube right now then cube it for 30% Boss Damage + INT / Magic %

[quote=Sharpie]I say sell it then get boss damage on another wand while maintaining max magic somehow.[/quote]

Yeah, that's a good idea. I mean, if I got 8% magic on it w/ 30% boss damage, that's max magic + 30% too.

[quote=cokeglass]Sell it and cube another wand?[/quote]

Considered that too. But scrolling a wand better than that one is a high degree of risk. D:

Sell it and cube another wand?

[quote=LimeLahv]Oh in that case go for the 30% boss + magic, but if you want to be famous/plan on selling it later on then the 28% is something nice to hold on[/quote]

Or if I want to scroll one with more M.Att for post-BB... Hmm...

[quote=Etrieys]The thing is, without potential on my wand, my magic is 185x. That's around 10-12% INT or 8% Magic to go to 1999 again. It's not unachievable, given my cape is 2%, HTP is 3%, Zhelm, Glasses and facial accessory have nothing. If I got 30% Boss + 8% Magic then that's it. It's not uncommon, but the 28% INT is also a HUGE bragging point. XD

@lilazninja

Unbuffed meaning with the wand, no MW, no Medi.[/quote]
Oh in that case go for the 30% boss + magic, but if you want to be famous/plan on selling it later on then the 28% is something nice to hold on

[quote=LimeLahv]Its going to be hard going back to your base if you dont score 30% boss + int/magic %, 12/8/8 is extremely rare itself.[/quote]

The thing is, without potential on my wand, my magic is 185x. That's around 10-12% INT or 8% Magic to go to 1999 again. It's not unachievable, given my cape is 2%, HTP is 3%, Zhelm, Glasses and facial accessory have nothing. If I got 30% Boss + 8% Magic then that's it. It's not uncommon, but the 28% INT is also a HUGE bragging point. XD

@lilazninja

Unbuffed meaning with the wand, no MW, no Medi.

when you say unbuffed, do you mean w/o buffs and not holding the wand?

[quote=Etrieys]

It's just whether that risk it worth it. Because if I get 30% Boss damage and no M.Att / INT %, then I have to re-cube my gear to get my base damage back.

I'm so conflicted. =/

@Sunstar

I'm only on 71% INT even with the wand. XD[/quote]

Its going to be hard going back to your base if you dont score 30% boss + int/magic %, 12/8/8 is extremely rare itself.

[quote=LimeLahv]well think of it, here you have 28% int + which is 28% more magic. Thats theoretically 28% more dmg, no? If its not then this statement is pointless but if that is true than you will have 28% more dmg. Would you sacrifice 28% more dmg for 2% more dmg but only for bosses? If you give up on pqs/grinding then go for it, if you still like to kill non boss mobs then dont do it. Now if you get 30% boss dmg and + magic/int % then its a different story, but i wouldstay if i were you[/quote]

I considered that, but the other thing is that right now, the wand actually only gives me 150 more magic, of the 400+ it has in INT bonus. 30% boss damage pre-BB is a huge increase in damage, where 28% INT is minimal - I couldn't get much stronger anyhow. IF I were to cube and get 30% Boss Damage + INT / Magic %, then I'd be at max magic AND I'd get 30% boss, which would give me a 30% damage increase overall on bosses, no loss of damage to regular mobs, and post-BB might increase my damage even further.

It's just whether that risk it worth it. Because if I get 30% Boss damage and no M.Att / INT %, then I have to re-cube my gear to get my base damage back.

I'm so conflicted. =/

@Sunstar

I'm only on 71% INT even with the wand. XD

well think of it, here you have 28% int + which is 28% more magic. Thats theoretically 28% more dmg, no? If its not then this statement is pointless but if that is true than you will have 28% more dmg. Would you sacrifice 28% more dmg for 2% more dmg but only for bosses? If you give up on pqs/grinding then go for it, if you still like to kill non boss mobs then dont do it. Now if you get 30% boss dmg and + magic/int % then its a different story, but i wouldstay if i were you