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[quote=Axnslicer]Nl, NW, DrK, Phantom are classes that are popular. Hero is not popular. It was right on the same level of dead as ABs and Arans. The recent Paladin nerf resulted in a bunch of people job changing but DrKs took the majority of those. If a seller for a Hero secondary ever asked for more than it cost to make I would simply ignore them. Unpopular unique/leg secondaries go for around 1-2/4-6 B, roughly half of what it costs to make outside of Miracle Time.

I understand what you're trying to say about the Terminus defender. It's true that if you're going to cube something to leg, then paying an extra B is negligible compared to cubing costs. I'm just pointing out that 4th tier isn't a huge advantage over 3rd tier, unlike the jump between 2nd and 3rd tier which is quite important.[/quote]

True, it really depends on the situation. For the average Joe, my suggestion wouldn't be as cost efficient, but for those aiming for endgame and class permanence, it's more worthwhile and feasible. Secondary weapon prices are directly linked to class revamps and nerfs, so in the case of Heros, they are currently at a slump until pending future revamps, then prices may shoot up, but for those looking for secondary weapons, now is the best time to get one before positive changes come into play that make Heros one of the top dogs once again.

[quote=Renkotesu]@Axnslicer: I wouldn't really count Heros being one of the unpopular classes, it's still very much popular, compared with let's say Aran or Angelic Buster. Now, what I mean by being cost effective, what I was trying to say was that compared to the prices that I've seen for Virtues Medals that have been premade, the prices they are sold at are vastly more expensive than the cost to make one, especially considering most of the potential lines I've seen are average for the ranks they bear. I mean sure, you can get a deal here and there, but for the most part, the sellers are asking for more than it's worth paying for.

Now, when it comes to the potential stats of level 151+ equips, such as the Terminus Shield aforementioned within the post, the extra percentages do make a difference if you're not already hitting the damage cap. I mean yes, it may seem like overkill, but if someone were interested in making a secondary weapon from scratch, why not pay an extra 1b to get a Terminus Shield, which can add a few extra percent bonuses your way, not to mention it can be scrolled for extra attack, which does add to their damage range further. Look at it from my standpoint, if someone is creating their own secondary weapon, I'm positive they would likely have the funds to put towards the investment of a Terminus Shield which only costs around 1b, or about 5k NX, not to mention that if they were to sell it later on, it would make up for the higher cost of the shield itself and also also cover the costs of the Platinum Scissor of Karma needed to make it tradeable. I personally know of a few people with Heros, Paladins and other shield-wielding warrior classes that have been looking for Terminus Shields in Khaini with good attack and potential, but are unable to find any because other players aren't willing to invest the extra bit of money towards creating them, which isn't that much, to be frank.

Anyways, like I said before, it's not that deals can't be made when a Virtues Medal is being sold in the Free Market or that my suggestion is better than what they were interested in doing, I just submitted my opinion on what is better if they are interested in making their own, if nothing can be found in the market, and able to put a tiny bit extra towards an item that has more capabilities than the item they are looking for. Whatever the post creator chooses is entirely up to them.[/quote]

Nl, NW, DrK, Phantom are classes that are popular. Hero is not popular. It was right on the same level of dead as ABs and Arans. The recent Paladin nerf resulted in a bunch of people job changing but DrKs took the majority of those. If a seller for a Hero secondary ever asked for more than it cost to make I would simply ignore them. Unpopular unique/leg secondaries go for around 1-2/4-6 B, roughly half of what it costs to make outside of Miracle Time.

I understand what you're trying to say about the Terminus defender. It's true that if you're going to cube something to leg, then paying an extra B is negligible compared to cubing costs. I'm just pointing out that 4th tier isn't a huge advantage over 3rd tier, unlike the jump between 2nd and 3rd tier which is quite important.

@Axnslicer: I wouldn't really count Heros being one of the unpopular classes, it's still very much popular, compared with let's say Aran or Angelic Buster. Now, what I mean by being cost effective, what I was trying to say was that compared to the prices that I've seen for Virtues Medals that have been premade, the prices they are sold at are vastly more expensive than the cost to make one, especially considering most of the potential lines I've seen are average for the ranks they bear. I mean sure, you can get a deal here and there, but for the most part, the sellers are asking for more than it's worth paying for.

Now, when it comes to the potential stats of level 151+ equips, such as the Terminus Defender aforementioned within the post, the extra percentages do make a difference if you're not already hitting the damage cap. I mean yes, it may seem like overkill, but if someone were interested in making a secondary weapon from scratch, why not pay an extra 1b to get a Terminus Shield, which can add a few extra percent bonuses your way, not to mention it can be scrolled for extra attack, which does add to their damage range further.

Look at it from my standpoint, if someone is creating their own secondary weapon, I'm positive they would likely have the funds to put towards the investment of a Terminus Defender which only costs around 1b, or about 5k NX, not to mention that if they were to sell it later on, it would make up for the higher cost of the shield itself and also also cover the costs of the Platinum Scissor of Karma needed to make it tradeable. I personally know of a few people with Heros, Paladins and other shield-wielding warrior classes that have been looking for Terminus Shields in Khaini with good attack and potential, but are unable to find any because other players aren't willing to invest the extra bit of money towards creating them, which isn't that much, to be frank.

Anyways, like I said before, it's not that deals can't be made when a Virtues Medal is being sold in the Free Market or that my suggestion is better than what they were interested in doing, I just submitted my opinion on what is better if they are interested in making their own, if nothing can be found in the market, and able to put a tiny bit extra towards an item that has more capabilities than the item they are looking for. Whatever the post creator chooses is entirely up to them.

[quote=Renkotesu]Finding a decent Virtues Medal for sale is pretty hard to come by nowadays. You're better off opting to create your own, as it's a lot more cost effective in the long run, especially if you take advantage of Miracle Time events and/or reduced Red and Black Cube packages.

Now, if you're going the one-handed route, I strongly recommend you to considering opting for a Terminus Shield, as it has better potential stat capabilities and is able to be scrolled for attack, which is a bonus. However, if you're going to be using a two-handed Ryude's Sword, which I highly doubt due to its outrageous cost and rarity, then you would opt for the item that you wanted, as it's your only option as a secondary weapon.[/quote]

Last I checked, secondaries for unpopular classes are always cheaper in the FM than it would cost to make.

"More cost effective in the long run", lol, are you on a payment plan or something? I don't think you know what that phrase means.

In all honesty, 4th tier is not that important. It's like 1-4% more att, depending on how many useful lines you get.

I agree that Hero secondaries are difficult to find, cubing one simply because you aren't willing to wait a month for a cheap deal is understandable.

Finding a decent Virtues Medal for sale is pretty hard to come by nowadays. You're better off opting to create your own, as it's a lot more cost effective in the long run, especially if you take advantage of Miracle Time events and/or reduced Red and Black Cube packages.

Now, if you're going the one-handed route, I strongly recommend you to considering opting for a Terminus Defender, as it has better potential stat capabilities and is able to be scrolled for attack, which is a bonus. However, if you're going to be using a two-handed Ryude's Sword, which I highly doubt due to its outrageous cost and rarity, then you would opt for the item that you wanted, as it's your only option as a secondary weapon.

[quote=carlosrules]About two goats and a chicken usually[/quote]

It went up by +1 goat last week.

[quote=carlosrules]About two goats and a chicken usually[/quote]

I would generally have to agree. It could be pretty pricey.

About two goats and a chicken usually

It's better to try and rank one up yourself. Hero secondary is literally nonexisistant