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[quote=hydraxide]@fwibz: I've seen a small minority do it as well, but the majority budget fairly well. I apologize for overreacting but it irks me everytime someone says something like that, because then it makes me think that you're saying I have no idea how to control spending.[/quote]

Yeah, I never meant to offend anyone who does spend money on this game. I apologize too.

@fwibz: I've seen a small minority do it as well, but the majority budget fairly well. I apologize for overreacting but it irks me everytime someone says something like that, because then it makes me think that you're saying I have no idea how to control spending. But besides that one post everything was pretty well articulated which is why I didn't bring anything else up. You also seem to know what you're doing, just not focused in on it enough which is how it led to this situation. Or maybe that's just being under the influence, but I'm usually too out of it to do anything.

[quote=hydraxide]Look, I have no problems with our differences in spending philosophy. I even agreed that everyone has their own personal preferences. However, saying that everyone that spends money throws their life savings or their parents money at the game is both uncalled for and insulting. You have your hobbies I have mine. I don't see why we aren't allowed to budge and spend disposable income instead of our entire fortune.[/quote]

I really didn't mean for that comment to be taken so literally lol. I was just basing it off of what I've seen people do over the years. Like I said before, I get that some people like spending their money and that's okay. But there are people out here who really do throw their life away by buying in game items or in game money. Not just in maplestory. It's an undeniable fact. Maybe they like it though, and I'm not criticizing them for that. I'm just trying to help the people who don't have any means of funding themselves with real money or simply don't want to spend money at all because they think it's a bad idea. I just so happened to mess up the post by creating while under the influence, which was my mistake

[quote=fwibz]Series or not, I'm not going to let a guy who doesn't even know me, call me and idiot for expressing opinions. lol. as for the weed part, I was adding it to my budget because Hydraxide or whatever his name is, wanted to start talking about jobs and spending money. I wasn't trying preach about buying dabs.[/quote]

Look, I have no problems with our differences in spending philosophy. I even agreed that everyone has their own personal preferences. However, saying that everyone that spends money throws their life savings or their parents money at the game is both uncalled for and insulting. You have your hobbies I have mine. I don't see why we aren't allowed to budget and spend disposable income instead of our entire fortune.

As for above, he very obviously threw in that comment in spite. Regardless of what he meant it was written with ill intent.

[quote=hydraxide]LITERALLY THE LAST THING he posted before I responded was "lmao some people don't get that not everyone wants to or can spend their life savings, (or their parents) to become a god." That's not exactly something you state as an opinion. In fact I don't even see how that can be opinionated. "Yeah your life savings may not be the same value to you as it would be to me, even though they're exactly the same number"? I also never called him an idiot, rather that he was making himself look idiotic. He knows what he's taking about in the video, but going off track and taking pot shots was uncalled for. He then turns around and insult me. But you know what? People like you want to pretend like they're the be all and end all of logical reasoning, so I'm wasting my time posting.l[/quote]

"Who's the dumb one now" is obviously an insult. If you don't think it is, maybe you're the dumb one? As for the life savings part, I'm pretty sure he didn't mean it literally. I mean, honestly, think about it. You're the one that's making them self look like an idiot.

[quote=aeynx]i'm not criticizing anyone for smoking weed. thought it was pretty funny when you're telling everyone how much dank weed you buy every week like it somehow relevant to any discussion. but ya, if you wanna spend 135 a week on weed, all the power to you buddy. but if you wanna start talking about your series, probably not good idea to throw a tantrum and call people '21 yr old fatties' etc. but if ya wanna talk about your dank weed habits, be my guest.[/quote]

Series or not, I'm not going to let a guy who doesn't even know me, call me and idiot for expressing opinions. lol. as for the weed part, I was adding it to my budget because Hydraxide or whatever his name is, wanted to start talking about jobs and spending money. I wasn't trying preach about buying dabs.

[quote=looooooooopy]I'm not jumping to conclusions. If you would've read all the comments before putting your 2 cents in, you'd see that he admitted his mistakes. Although I don't agree with everything he says, he also stated that this was all OPINION. He never said anything was a FACT. Therefore rendering your responses useless. What world do we live in? People can;t even state opinions and help others in need without being called idiots. Please grow up and get your head out of the city clouds. You both honestly sound like pricks. Mostly you though, seeing as your attacks were uncalled for.[/quote]

LITERALLY THE LAST THING he posted before I responded was "lmao some people don't get that not everyone wants to or can spend their life savings, (or their parents) to become a god." That's not exactly something you state as an opinion. In fact I don't even see how that can be opinionated. "Yeah your life savings may not be the same value to you as it would be to me, even though they're exactly the same number"? I also never called him an idiot, rather that he was making himself look idiotic. He knows what he's taking about in the video, but going off track and taking pot shots was uncalled for. He then turns around and insult me. But you know what? People like you want to pretend like they're the be all and end all of logical reasoning, so I'm wasting my time posting.l

[quote=hydraxide]Read my original post to him. Answering without context doesn't make anything better. I haven't judged him at all, in fact I've only been responding to how he criticizes people's choices. If you'd actually read it, you'd notice that. I'm also not pretending to be big in any way, but if he's insinuating I live in a cardboard box I think I wouldn't be wrong to respond to him? Stop jumping to conclusions. The whole time he's been subtly (as well as very blatantly) putting down people who spend money on this game. If you STILL don't see this, you're dumb as rocks. I even quoted him.[/quote]

I'm not jumping to conclusions. If you would've read all the comments before putting your 2 cents in, you'd see that he admitted his mistakes. Although I don't agree with everything he says, he also stated that this was all OPINION. He never said anything was a FACT. Therefore rendering your responses useless. What world do we live in? People can;t even state opinions and help others in need without being called idiots. Please grow up and get your head out of the city clouds. You both honestly sound like pricks. Mostly you though, seeing as your attacks were uncalled for.

As for the above poster: Did you not read either? He was clearly adding the fact about buying dabs so people would see how he spends his money. He was arguing with Hydraxide. Not you, not anyone else in his comment about weed. People like you are the reason why basil is garbage. Criticizing others. lol. grow up

i'm not criticizing anyone for smoking weed. thought it was pretty funny when you're telling everyone how much dank weed you buy every week like it somehow relevant to any discussion. but ya, if you wanna spend 135 a week on weed, all the power to you buddy. but if you wanna start talking about your series, probably not good idea to throw a tantrum and call people '21 yr old fatties' etc. but if ya wanna talk about your dank weed habits, be my guest.

[quote=looooooooopy]People like you don't bother reading do you? You and every other person on this post is an idiot including OP. Judging people for how they play the game or how they play the game or how they spend money on smoking weed. Getting a minimum wage job won't help an under aged kid, like op said. but buying weed also wont help. You're both pretty dumb. Also merching, if done right, doesn't takes years like you claim. Maybe you just suck? ever thought of that? Also instead of trying to start arguments, how about some constructive criticism? This site is supposed to be about helping others and advice. Not calling each other idiots and bringing people down for trying to help people in need. Grow up, kid. You live in New York. Good job and stop acting like you're big there lmao. The other 8.4mil people there were also born there or moved there. and I'm pretty sure you were just born there.[/quote]

Read my original post to him. Answering without context doesn't make anything better. I haven't judged him at all, in fact I've only been responding to how he criticizes people's choices. If you'd actually read it, you'd notice that. I'm also not pretending to be big in any way, but if he's insinuating I live in a cardboard box I think I wouldn't be wrong to respond to him? Stop jumping to conclusions. The whole time he's been subtly (as well as very blatantly) putting down people who spend money on this game. If you STILL don't see this, you're dumb as rocks. I even quoted him.

@fwibz: You talk about essentials, then you talk about buying dabs. You pretend like I live and spend my parent's money, yet you refer to the money needed to fund yourself in this game as "your life savings". I didn't realize your life savings was a couple grand. I live in a cardboard box? Last time I checked you can't rent a cardboard box in Manhattan. So what's it going to be? Are you going to keep making assumptions?

Also the only reason I commented is because you said people either spent their life savings or their parents' to fund themselves. I find that extremely ignorant. Budgeting 100 a week for my personal pleasure lets me is hardly a dent when I'm making a little over double your salary. But if you take my point where THE LEAST SKILLED jobs will still HEAVILY outweigh merching, and assume that's my job, then I have nothing to say to you. My only purpose in replying is to show how idiotic your last statement was. Unless your life savings is a couple grand, in which case I feel more pity than anything for you. Also the fact my post's point completely flew past your head and I'm starting to worry for your future.

Hey, no need for this to turn into a huge internet argument. Everyone who's posted has had valid points. OP has admitted some of his mistakes but I think in the end he did want to make a video to want to help those who are adverse to spending money on the game. Not that there is a problem with that and I think it was a little harsh on those who do BUT YEAH WHY CAN'T WE ALL BE FRIENDS and focus on the positives!

[quote=hydraxide]I didn't want to step in, but you're just being an idiot at this point. Maybe you don't have a job, so you don't see the comparative value. Maple? Maybe a couple thousand max. A full time job in my field? 70+ a year straight out of college. Do the math, and that barely dents the bank. Also, your "hard work" spent on the game is time wasted on not working a real job, so don't tell me you're losing money by spending money instead of doing events in game. Spending money on MS means that you have money to spend in the first place, and you can still put the job on the resume. What are you gonna tell employers if you do events in game? "I was a merchant in a video game so I didn't have to work a real job"? I don't really care how people fund themselves, because both ways lead you to the same result so neither is better than the other, but you're just being straight up ignorant. Of course, I don't expect you are actually working age, so maybe in a few years you'll understand.

Lemme show you from a mathematical standpoint:
Effective tax rate at Mcdonalds: ~12% where I live
9-5 shift: 8.75*8*5 = 300

You doing events and merching for 40 hours: MAYBE 5b a week
At current meso prices: 10*5 = 50

You just spent time doing work for a payout that would be considered wage slave level. Who's the dumb one now?[/quote]

This is a point that has always bugged me about these other arguments insulting real life work vs in game work. There's a trite and stupid saying that time is money...and it's true...and for a saying that is so cliche, it's a point too many people fail to internalize and think about critically.

You need to strike a balance in your life. How much is your time worth?

The answer is personal to each player and, for that same reason, wasting your time worrying about other people, especially to the point where you're insulting them based on your own assumptions, is just silly and flawed.

Nice post Hydraxide.

i don't know why you're so defensive, but that comment about RL work was a valid one if you're going to claim there's a 'right way' to fund yourself.

i saw the entire video. i don't know how confident you are in front of a mic, but it was very boring to watch and to listen to. i don't want to sound offensive and i'll try to be as delicate as i can because i think the idea is good, but there's a surplus of these maplestory videos ,especially ones focused on funding, that are essentially raw gameplay footage with unedited audio slapped on top. unless you have great public speaking (loud, clear and fluid voice), you can't just record 10 straight minutes of audio and raw game footage, throw them together and call it a finished product. yeah i understand it's a pilot episode, but within the first 2 minutes of your video, i just wanted to close it. you mumble a lot of your words, you talk pretty slow, there's alot of pausing, 'uhhhh' and 'umm' in your speech and its very irritating and a huge turnoff. i could easily tell you didn't have a script, nor did you practice before recording. with the material you had, you definitely could have slimmed it down to at least 5 minutes.

i don't know what your plans are for your channel, whether you're catering to few or looking to expand, but there's work to be done if you're looking for the latter. i don't know if you're at the level where you can straight record 10 minutes of audio and gameplay and call it done. i would personally start on shorter videos with solid voice and video editing, then do longer segments when you get a little better. if you're going to do a series about character growth and funding, you should know how important it is to grab as much viewers as early on as possible so they can follow your characters progression. no one is going to just suddenly jump or start onto, lets say, episode 4 and continue from there. you'll eventually fall into a trap where you didn't attract enough people to your series and view count begins to pummel downwards with every new episode and motivation to continue dwindles. this is why i feel the first 1-2 episodes are the most important, require the most work, and will 'make-or-break' your series if you upload half-assed videos like this.

but that's just me.

some other minor things you can do are turn on ingame sounds at a low volume. unless you have a very energetic or colourful voice , its very dull listening to the same monotone voice for 10 minutes. should talk a bit louder or turn up yourself more.
some examples i pulled up just by typing 'maplestory' into youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN4fTk4sE_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQq8yDqgX14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNd_Elv-m_U

Here's something I wrote about how to make money. Since I'm normally too busy rl to keep up to date enough to do high risk merching, I tend to use more reliable, but less profitable, methods. This is basically how I made like 80% of the money I need in game...it's slow, it's tedious, but it adds up slowly over time and you really don't have to spend much rl money which I like since I'm saving for grad school.

Get involved in Professions. I highly suggest getting the Alchemy Profession. Work carefully to level this up past level 10, then to Master and finally Meister Level. At this point, go to random maps that you know to be very active with people training, even maps frequented by botters. Look around and you'll find mysterious herbs and ore veins. Mine or collect these...by doing this often when you have free time you'll acquire many of the items needed for Alchemy for free. When you need specific Herbs in bulk and feel like farming them, the best option is to go to Evo and attach the cores specific to what you're looking for. Buy a few Lucky Winter Drop coupons. Also, if you've been doing MPE fairly regularly to farm green and red mpe potions, you'll find eventually that you'll get a Greed pendant as a drop. This will give you a significant boost to your drop ratio as well. Combining these together will acquire for you a significant number of herbs.

Some recipes that sell well: Make Advanced Hero Potion(10% atk boost) and Advanced Boss Rush Potions(20% boss dmg). These sell fairly well over time and for a very high price. Furthermore, if you boss often, particularly Zakum, you'll likely occasionally acquire some EXP Potion Recipes. Once you've acquired a ton of the herbs necessary(Juniper Berry Seeds) make these en masse. Remember that once you click the recipe and learn it...it will disappear in 24 hours. Now start mass making these potions as much as you can till it expires. These sell insanely well in the FM.
You can also make 12 slot bags as a Meister level alchemist...from my experience Mineral Bags sell for far more than herb and much faster as well. Do this often and consistently, maintaining yourself at Meister level at all times...and you'll slowly but surely build up a great amount of savings eventually.

Also, follow which classes are most popular from the standpoint of DPS. Then, work on making gear for them. I funded most of my cubing by making 2 superior gollux rings with perfect luk potentials (33% luk) and 1 superior gollux earring, also with 33% luk...as well as numerous other 12, 15 and 21% luk items. Then you turn around and sell them for nx or for trade...and you'll seriously make a profit. That's why I never make luk based characters...I sell my luk gear to get dex gear which yields a significant profit.

Note also that it will seriously take a lot of patience and time. I've been merching to fund my current character since 2011...prior to Safe I normally only spent money on chairs and rare cute items.

Um, is this thread about funding to become better in the game as a choice? Thats what I'm getting out of it. I generally do not spend nx on maple, but if I do, its to either buy pendant slots or to help someone. I never really got why damaged mattered in maple, maybe its to get good or to kill harder bosses. I dont know what it is, but I my own respects, as long as it is a choice, I choose NOT to spend nx to see bigger numbers or red numbers. I'm fine with what I have. "Focus on what you got, not the things you don't have cuz its not that bad".

[quote=fwibz]And whats your point? I never said it wouldn't be hard work lol. Yes they both require hard work, but in the end, you won't be spending loads of cash. Some people, such as myself, like to prepare for the future and save money instead of spend it on a game when you can still have fun by working hard and becoming strong without spending money. Like I said in the above comment (if you even took time to read at all) I said this was more focused on people who don't know how to fund themselves or can't dump cash on this game.[/quote]

You made several subjective and loaded personal points that have no objective relevance to anyone else.

Then you did it again.

Stop ruining the decent points you're trying to make with sophomoric assumptions about other people. It's rude and makes you look thin skinned. One of the dumbest things you can do is to insult an entire body of people with generalizations based around assumptions you make from flawed deductions. Life isn't so simple. You then make it even more silly since you don't even know 99.9% of the people you're judging.

Rate/Hendrix: Relax. You also need to work on those silly assumptions you make because your skin is so thin.

[quote=rate]Don't mind what she says. She's a self proclaimed god. 10m range AB, amazing right? She will sure be able to place that upon her resume.

Nice guide man, keep it up! Add me in game as well, I always see you in Leafre. [/quote]

lmao some people don't get that not everyone wants to or can spend their life savings, (or their parents) to become a god.
Yeah, I see you around sometimes too xD I'll add you next time I'm on

[quote=fwibz]And whats your point? I never said it wouldn't be hard work lol. Yes they both require hard work, but in the end, you won't be spending loads of cash. Some people, such as myself, like to prepare for the future and save money instead of spend it on a game when you can still have fun by working hard and becoming strong without spending money. Like I said in the above comment (if you even took time to read at all) I said this was more focused on people who don't know how to fund themselves or can't dump cash on this game.[/quote]

Don't mind what she says. She's a self proclaimed god. 10m range AB, amazing right? She will sure be able to place that upon her resume.

Nice guide man, keep it up! Add me in game as well, I always see you in Leafre.

[quote=ashleyattacked]Funding yourself through hard work in game vs hard work in real life both still require 'hard work.'[/quote]

And whats your point? I never said it wouldn't be hard work lol. Yes they both require hard work, but in the end, you won't be spending loads of cash. Some people, such as myself, like to prepare for the future and save money instead of spend it on a game when you can still have fun by working hard and becoming strong without spending money. Like I said in the above comment (if you even took time to read at all) I said this was more focused on people who don't know how to fund themselves or can't dump cash on this game.

Funding yourself through hard work in game vs hard work in real life both still require 'hard work.'

[quote=wynn]You cant just say how people play maplestory the wrong way. If they decide to spend money on this game to fund themselves, its their choice. I've seen many people who has thrown thousands on this game and still enjoy the class they play. These people are also keeping the game alive, so that you can still play the game. So please don't enforce your ideas on how the game should be play and let people play however they want.[/quote]

I understand that some people like spending thousands on this game. This was more focused towards the people who don't know what to do in the game or how to self fund themselves. Also, I stated that this was all opinion. I admit I worded my title wrong and I'm not trying to "force ideas" on people. I'm trying to help the people who aren't so lucky to spend hundreds on a game.

You cant just say how people play maplestory the wrong way. If they decide to spend money on this game to fund themselves, its their choice. I've seen many people who has thrown thousands on this game and still enjoy the class they play. These people are also keeping the game alive, so that you can still play the game. So please don't enforce your ideas on how the game should be play and let people play however they want.