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[quote=qwan456]Nuu! It's mine! lol

I just picture BobR giving us the finger and closing the thread soon though. xD[/quote]

BobR always gets the last word.

ABANDON THREAD!

long version, (short version at the bottom.)

i myself own a mac and will say gaming for macs=crap. apple computers "were" ideally for business but have been moving more towards consumers like you and i however if you must choose a mac [b]DO NOT[/b] purchase macbook airs, they are useless like no joke, my buddy who works at an apple store agrees with me because those laptops are quite limited to what they can do and are only used if you travel a lot and have documents or business plans and need a laptop that is light weight and quickly accessible. now with the other two choices you have to make the decision whether you want more power and better specs however that will cost more money. the 13in macbook pro has a pretty standard processor however when it comes to graphics it is very poor (even a a dell that cost the same price of this 13in macbook pro has better graphics and processor possibly.) again if you choose the 15in you'll get better graphics card and more screen res. I currently have a macbook pro 15in which i use for video editing and it very helpful but when it comes to gaming i'll just switch over to my gaming tower so, ideally go with the 13in because it will save you a bit more money and if the screen is too small for you then hook it up to a monitor

short version:
get 13in macbook pro.
<3 <3 <3

p.s. don't get SSD over priced and still need more run time (by this i mean the market for SSD is still not going to replace HD anytime soon so keep your hard drive because you get more space for a pretty cheap price!) the only good thing about SSD's are there start up time and also the fact that they don't require any moving parts so you get less heat from your computer

hope this helps!

[quote=skye09]Screw all of you, the last word will belong to ME! [/quote]

Nuu! It's mine! lol

I just picture BobR giving us the finger and closing the thread soon though. xD

Screw all of you, the last word will belong to ME!

lol, yes, since you had stop mentioning it, I'll too. xD

@qwan456: For flying dog turd, can we just stop circling around this. Let's stop try having the last word because at this point we're being just retarded as slang word for sexual intercourse.

-slams head in to the wall-

[quote=Skyenets]@qwan456: Now you're just moving around my words to your connivence.[/quote]

I always do that in the discussion. It became a habit... I mean I did that in my other replies to you as well but not as excessively.

[quote=Skyenets]"My point still stands" applied to "He shouldn't get a Mac for what he stated he needs it for".[/quote]

Then there's a misunderstanding. You first made a recommendation but then said it was an exaggeration. However, you immediately stated "my point still stands", which made it seem like you defending your recommendation despite of the claim. Although I could argue it, I just let it slide that it was a misunderstanding on my part.

But what's your reasoning of this comment? "All in all you are talking about a computer that would be used for your own preferences, rather than the TS his preferences"

I'll address my point in one of the next few quotes below, but there was only one point that she had made that can be seen as a "preference" as her own and unrelated to the TS which was image editing. The other points in regards to everything else was base on the TS needs that had been vaguely stated.

[quote=Skyenets]Can you really blame me for my sarcasm?[/quote]

You said stated that you don't think it will negatively affect a person's purchase (which you didn't show any signs of annoyance in that post. You was calmly making a point), I told you that there were people who it did affect it explaining how it can (yes, despite what you may believe, there are indeed people who made outrageous - under-performing purchases even though there were people telling them not to), and you gave me a sarcastic response...

What's your reasoning for the sarcasm there in that situation? Or it's just your way of mocking my attempts to tell how it can negatively affect someone?

[quote=Skyenets]I mean seriously, you guys kept nagging and nagging about the whole fact that I gave bad advice, even if it was meant seriously by me, you guys are just pushing it with proving me wrong. Yes, it was wrong of me to say that and yes, I should have worded that differently. Yet here we are, still discussing about how bad the advice is? Want me to magically undo what I said by going back in time? No, that's not going to happen. Therefore the constant nagging you guys portray about something that I basically said of "You guys are right, it's my bad, I should have made it clear I didn't mean it like that." is getting me only to the point where I become incredibly sarcastic and not take you guys seriously.[/quote]

I can also asked something similar to as the question above. Can you blame me for continuing an argument that you supposedly were aware you are wrong, then you seemingly try to refute the argument right after? It's ok to be wrong if you are open about it in the end, but if us "nagging" to you is annoying, what do you expect we do when you made a claim that our response are not base on our knowledge of the hardware and what it is capable of but rather being by brushed off to the side as merely a "preference"? One person's "preference" is not an accurate representation of when someone making a technical response, which in turn can be used to question the validity of what the person said. In this case, that sentence was directed at what DJP said base on the TS needs in respect to netbooks - not Macs or a $500 laptop.

This what this whole argument looks like to me in an exaggerated manner. You insulted me, so I'd comforted you about it. You claim it to be a "joke" and wasn't really serious, while little by little, attempt to throw out insults. If I were to bring it up, I would be "nagging" and not acknowledging it as a joke.

[quote=Skyenets]Sorry if I appear rude in any way, but the whole thing is annoying. I'll be off now. If you really want this to end just stop responding, because I will always want the last word, which is a bad aspect of myself that I will just need to admit in order to get this all to end.[/quote]

Yes, that is a bad aspect, which I'm also guilty of.

[quote=Skyenets]@djpinc19: However it was an exaggeration. So that means your argument is invalid.[/quote]

Uh, right...that alone didn't invalidate what she has said due claim of it being "exaggerated"... >> Considering how you would like to move on from this, I won't get into it (it already been address and explaining it again won't serve much purpose anymore).

[quote=Skyenets]I personally would not recommend a Macbook for gaming. From personal experience, I have noticed that overtime my Macbook pro tends to overheat a lot due to the games (This being the case with Portal 1 and 2) and I even had some serious video card issues in the past which resulted in me needing to return the computer.[/quote]

Overheating like it shuts off when it gets too hot? This could be a dust problem since it happens overtime, but the video card issues...Does that relate to [url=http://apcmag.com/nvidia_disaster_thousands_of_gpus_faulty.htm]this[/url]?

Well, that's something I don't haven't seen people doing lately. Someone saying they have poor experience with Apple service (this was not to invalid your experience, btw) . xD

@djpinc19: However it was an exaggeration. So that means your argument is invalid. You want nothing else from me? Then stop posting rubbish about the darned Netbook. How many times do we have to repeat that it could have negatively affected his purchase? I get it. I'm not a bloody idiot for crying out loud. I know what I did wrong and yet here you guys are, nagging the crap out of me. Yet you don't want me to do anything. Are you just nagging for the sake of god darned nagging?

And I have nothing to contribute to the topic? Here, let me contribute:

To the TS:

I personally would not recommend a Macbook for gaming. From personal experience, I have noticed that overtime my Macbook pro tends to overheat a lot due to the games (This being the case with Portal 1 and 2) and I even had some serious video card issues in the past which resulted in me needing to return the computer. Which cost me about 600 euros because Apple is fairly ass-tastic with their darned warranties (even with Apple care). However my Macbook is alraedy 3 years old by now, therefore not really comparable with the specs.

I do not fully know what your college work involves, but I never really bothered with anything other than my work as webdesigner when using a Mac. Mostly because of the user-friendliness of the operating system. However you can simply install Mac OS X on a machine that is initially Windows. You could Google that to see if you find this worth considering, it's fairly easy to find.

For streaming high definition movies, I wouldn't really know. I'd say the screen plays a fairly huge part and I have to say that the quality of Mac screens just seems a lot better than any other laptop screen I have seen. However my knowledge about screens isn't great (I simply use an entirely separate screen).

I've never been too fond of my Macs due to the rubbish service Apple gives. However I like the machines due to the operating system being user friendly. However hackintosh should cover that problem. Just wanted to give these pointers to consider. I haven't had many good experiences with Apple in the past 3 years. We do have quite a few Apple products at this point though. They do work smoothly for the things we do at home (Photography by my mom, webdesign and front-end development by me mostly around here).

[quote=Skyenets]I try not to take the internet seriously. Especially when they're PMSing about the fact that I said the word Netbook. Do you guys even realize how many comments there are in the thread about a comment that was corrected nearly instantly? My god, we get it. It was a bad way of wording my post, get over it.[/quote]

The context and manner that post was presented in was inappropriate for this thread. What's causing this circular argument is your continued need to defend your intentions.

[quote=Skyenets]I admit, I might have made myself a bit more clear in the fact that it was not to be taken seriously, however after being told that it was an exaggeration, you should figure as much.

So once again. Stop mentioning the Netbook. It was an exaggeration not to be taken seriously. I hope you understand this after at least being told this 4 times now.[/quote]

If your original post was not an exaggeration, then it would have simply been a bad recommendation. However, because you claim otherwise, then your intention for posting in the first place was malicious.

[quote=Skyenets]What else do you want me to do?[/quote]

Nothing.

[quote=Skyenets]If you really want this to end just stop responding, because I will always want the last word, which is a bad aspect of myself that I will just need to admit in order to get this all to end.[/quote]

Leave this thread. You have nothing to contribute to the topic.

@qwan456: Now you're just moving around my words to your connivence. "My point still stands" applied to "He shouldn't get a Mac for what he stated he needs it for". Can you really blame me for my sarcasm? I mean seriously, you guys kept nagging and nagging about the whole fact that I gave bad advice, even if it was meant seriously by me, you guys are just pushing it with proving me wrong. Yes, it was wrong of me to say that and yes, I should have worded that differently. Yet here we are, still discussing about how bad the advice is? Want me to magically undo what I said by going back in time? No, that's not going to happen. Therefore the constant nagging you guys portray about something that I basically said of "You guys are right, it's my bad, I should have made it clear I didn't mean it like that." is getting me only to the point where I become incredibly sarcastic and not take you guys seriously.

Sorry if I appear rude in any way, but the whole thing is annoying. I'll be off now. If you really want this to end just stop responding, because I will always want the last word, which is a bad aspect of myself that I will just need to admit in order to get this all to end.

@skye09: Don't suddenly join in after 3 pages. It's like starting the whole argument over again.

[quote=Skyenets]@qwan456: I try not to take the internet seriously. [/quote]

When it comes to other peoples money you should; you wouldnt like it if you were asking what to spend money on and someone gave you garbage advice would you?

[quote=Skyenets]@qwan456: I try not to take the internet seriously. [/quote]

I have noticed, and I don't either. Of course, this depending on the subject, it can and should be taken seriously. After all, the person, on the other end, is still a person.

[quote=Skyenets]Especially when they're PMSing about the fact that I said the word Netbook.[/quote]

I doesn't matter if you had said the word or not. I too would have have talked about what a person has to say if it's a bad advice (which yes, you admitted to it). It up to you how you react to it, and depending on how you react to it is likely how we are going to respond. I had calmly address your points and would have ended it with that other post if it wasn't for your sarcastic response.

[quote=Skyenets]My gosh. I can't take people seriously when they feel the need to repeat themselves over and over again.[/quote]

I can't take you seriously either, as you have taking everything I had said in a light-sarcastic-dismissive manner. I'll be sure to remember that though. At the very least, we came to the agreement that the TS shouldn't get it (which I had indeed acknowledge multiplies of times).

[quote=Skyenets]Do you guys even realize how many comments there are in the thread about a comment that was corrected nearly instantly? My god, we get it. It was a bad way of wording my post, get over it.[/quote]

You are getting too work up off of one word, and it is causing you to fail to understand other point I was saying (unless you understand it and just don't care, which...well, I had expected you to).

Btw, you don't get it or else you wouldn't have said "my point still stands..." for your your "exaggerated" claim or try to refute DJP argument by saying her "personal preference" isn't the same as the TS, but when she was making a general response that is unrelated to her own needs, but I already address that point in my first response to you (which to just brushed it off without replying to), so it's no longer of relevance.

[quote=Skyenets]It's like my mom saying she has to repeat everything 6 times before I understand while acting as if she does that in a span of 6 days, while in reality it's 6 seconds.[/quote]

If it only taken 6 seconds to understand, then the attitude you had portray and the response you had given would have been much different.

@qwan456: I try not to take the internet seriously. Especially when they're PMSing about the fact that I said the word Netbook. Do you guys even realize how many comments there are in the thread about a comment that was corrected nearly instantly? My god, we get it. It was a bad way of wording my post, get over it.

My gosh. I can't take people seriously when they feel the need to repeat themselves over and over again. It's like my mom saying she has to repeat everything 6 times before I understand while acting as if she does that in a span of 6 days, while in reality it's 6 seconds.

[quote=Skyenets]@qwan456: Don't worry, I'm quite sure that the repetitive nagging about the netbook will make clear to him that he shouldn't get one. Perhaps you should straight away PM him about it so that you can ensure that he doesn't take my comment seriously with his 11 year old mind.

./end sarcasm.[/quote]

"if such recommendation will skew the TS ([b]and others that may happen to go into this thread[/b]) judgment". This isn't just about the TS, as this is an open forum with people ranging from not only >18 but also <13 years old. I also said that "I too doubt that the TS will actually go ahead a buy a netbook", which I did agree with your response...

The "repetitive nagging about the netbook" was mostly due to your constant defending of the "even a netbook suffices" argument, even though you claim that it was an "exaggeration". If you are going to bring up a point directed towards a subject, obviously, we are going to comment on it. But you are right, it is clear now that he shouldn't get one. My main in replying to you in my other post was not only to backup what DJP had said on the matter but "so in case you provide another recommendation in the future, you will not provide an "exaggerated" recommendation but rather provide a recommendation that you actually put in time and consideration into"; otherwise, the response that one gives can have some negative affects. This was not only mentioned by me but as well as DJP. If you had understood this point initially, I probably wouldn't be replying to you right now; however, your sarcastic response once again are showing that that you are taking it in lightly. So I'm guessing, I'm just wasting my time, eh?

@qwan456: Don't worry, I'm quite sure that the repetitive nagging about the netbook will make clear to him that he shouldn't get one. Perhaps you should straight away PM him about it so that you can ensure that he doesn't take my comment seriously with his 11 year old mind.

./end sarcasm.

[quote=Skyenets]@qwan456: I don't think hit will negatively affect his purchase because I am fairly sure that he won't be rushing to the store right after he sees a comment by me stating in one line that "even a netbook suffices".[/quote]

Well, I too doubt that the TS will actually go ahead a buy a netbook, but there are 13"-15" laptops that uses netbook-entry processors with an IGP as well. Since "netbook" can be also be used as a representation of performance/productivity (which is at the lowest), I'm quite worry if such recommendation will skew the TS (and others that may happen to go into this thread) judgment and get a lesser performing laptop then he actually needs. You will be surprised how many people actually poorly spend their money on this very site and got something they regret in the end. Just a few weeks ago, someone greatly underestimated the requirements of Skyrim and wanted to buy a $200 used desktop without a dedicated GPU (it was a Pentium 4 desktop, IIRC).

@qwan456: I don't think hit will negatively affect his purchase because I am fairly sure that he won't be rushing to the store right after he sees a comment by me stating in one line that "even a netbook suffices".

[quote=Skyenets]@qwan456:

I don't have time to read it all over so I will just call it quits after responding to this statement. My apologies if you covered a counter to this later on.

"Whether it is an exaggeration or not, if it did not portray as one as first, it can be seen as a "valid" recommendation"

I later admitted that was an error on my part and rectified myself. What else do you want me to do? I did not make it clear, therefore I cleared it up. End of story.[/quote]

I'm aware. I'm pointing out that you are treating such recommendation lightly and how it can negatively affect his purchase as well as others in the future who reads it (it still seem you brushing it off like it was no big deal). I mentioned this so in case you provide another recommendation in the future, you will not provide an "exaggerated" recommendation but rather provide a recommendation that you actually put in time and consideration into.

[quote=Skyenets]I skimmed through the rest of the comment and still see mention of a netbook. Unless it has something that isn't based upon the whole netbook nonsense, then I will just ignore it.[/quote]

You asked "And if you are not speaking of your own preferences, then I do not know where the whole scripting and image editing came from" which not only relates to the TS but as well as the Netbook that the discussion was about. It is true that one personal preference will different from another, but your questioning is about whether or not DJP's personal preference is affecting her comments on Netbooks in general (she was not). You, yourself, made me brought it up with that statement, and it was used to clarify what DJP had said.

@qwan456:

I don't have time to read it all over so I will just call it quits after responding to this statement. My apologies if you covered a counter to this later on.

"Whether it is an exaggeration or not, if it did not portray as one as first, it can be seen as a "valid" recommendation"

I later admitted that was an error on my part and rectified myself. What else do you want me to do? I did not make it clear, therefore I cleared it up. End of story. I skimmed through the rest of the comment and still see mention of a netbook. Unless it has something that isn't based upon the whole netbook nonsense, then I will just ignore it.

[quote=Skyenets][url=http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Exaggeration]This explains my netbook suggestion. If you still don't get the meaning after reading the defined form of the word exaggeration, then I give up. However your comment is based on one (an exaggeration made by me). All in all, I tell you for perhaps the third time now, that you are taking the Netbook comment way too serious.[/url]

I admit, I might have made myself a bit more clear in the fact that it was not to be taken seriously, however after being told that it was an exaggeration, you should figure as much.

So once again. [b]Stop mentioning the Netbook. It was an exaggeration not to be taken seriously.[/b] I hope you understand this after at least being told this 4 times now.[/quote]

Whether it is an exaggeration or not, if it did not portray as one as first, it can be seen as a "valid" recommendation to the TS and among others which is why DJP replied to you in the first place. However, you did not understand making such statements can negatively affect the purchase as well as spread misinformation to others. Because you didn't understand this, you simply brush it off like it was no big deal and just called it an "exaggeration", which in turn can show that you will may continue to provide recommendation lightly in the future. If you are going to provide valid help to someone, there's not need to to make such an exaggeration, as they could have easily have made a recommendation that fits the person needs and wants.

[quote=Skyenets]And if you are not speaking of your own preferences, then I do not know where the whole scripting and image editing came from. Perhaps I skipped a post by the TS while reading through the thread.[/quote]

She is basing off of her knowledge of understanding what the hardware that these netbooks tend to have are capable of more-so than her own personal preference.

"Uses: College, music, watching movies (prefer streaming)."

College work is rather vague. What is he planned on majoring and what type of application he will be running?
The image editing part may be an assumption (she may even got what Sadday said mix in with it - there's a lot of people who associate Macs with graphic related work), but it was used to show that the screen and resolution is too small and can greatly reduce productivity in many other working regime such as spreadsheet work, studying large complex diagrams that he might do in college, copy/pasting large amounts of data from a website, etc. - this includes photo editing (considering how he never mentioned this point, I guess I don't matter, unless I had overlooked it like you).
Streaming HD Videos, visiting heavily scripted websites (read that VERY carefully, as you still not understanding it), etc. can be quite tolling on a Netbook; although, general research are doable.
Maplestory does have some problems on Netbooks in certain areas of the game - maybe not throughout the games, but there have been many users who reported to have difficulties with MS on a NetBook. Not to mentioned he listed other games with it. Exaggerating or not, it shouldn't NOT have been mentioned. I've seen enough people waste money due to recommendations that was given lightly - which happens many of times in the past on this very site as well as others that I'd helped with.

It is true that one does not need a Mac to do what the TS wants, as after all, a windows-base laptop is also capable of doing it as well, and this is due to the specification of the laptop itself, as well as the abundance of programs that are compatible with the Windows OS (which, of course, you could get it on a Mac via Bootcamp). Unless the TS have some valid reasoning as to why he wants a Mac (most of which can be subjective), I too would recommend a windows laptop; however, to go immediately go about shooting down the option of getting a Mac doesn't exactly help, when we don't know the reasoning of why he wants one. It just going to end up turning into a senseless debate on Mac vs. PC.

At the end of the day, the fact remains that unless you [b]NEED or WANT[/b] OSX, you dont need to drop $1500 for a computer.

i hav macbook pro..its really good for web surfing and all, focused mainly on work/studies but not really good for games and all. Most games are for PC only, very few mac games only. I like TF2 and mine craft on mac but i play most of my games on windows(maple story,league of legends, dragon nest...so on)

Which Macbook should you get? None.
But out of the three, the most expensive option would work best for games, and the next most expensive would be a great $1.5k Facebook machine.

@bubblecup118: By putting in a little effort you can install Mac OS X on a Windows device. I think that effort is well worth the 700 dollars you're saving.

@djpinc19:

[url=http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Exaggeration]This explains my netbook suggestion. If you still don't get the meaning after reading the defined form of the word exaggeration, then I give up. However your comment is based on one (an exaggeration made by me). All in all, I tell you for perhaps the third time now, that you are taking the Netbook comment way too serious.[/url]

I admit, I might have made myself a bit more clear in the fact that it was not to be taken seriously, however after being told that it was an exaggeration, you should figure as much.

So once again. [b]Stop mentioning the Netbook. It was an exaggeration not to be taken seriously.[/b] I hope you understand this after at least being told this 4 times now.

And if you are not speaking of your own preferences, then I do not know where the whole scripting and image editing came from. Perhaps I skipped a post by the TS while reading through the thread.

Also, where did you get this whole like me like you whatever nonsense from? I am saying that you should not treat me like an idiot, as your way of typing was awfully similar to my own when I deal with morrons without wanting to get suspended for saying it flat out.

[quote=Skyenets]None of them. You don't need a Mac. College, movies and a bit of gaming? I'd say, look at what @saddays: said and only disregard the part where she said that a 1000$ windows laptop would be fine as well (I think you can go cheaper than that. Around 500$ even).[/quote]

Really? Name me a window notebook for $500 that has great battery life ( 6- 7 hours under normal use), is light and not bulky & has Mac OS.

Oh wait you can't. The TS wants [b]Mac OS[/b] not Windows OS.

My intention was to call out the inappropriateness of your recommendation. I could care less if you actually knew what you were talking about. Knowledgeable posters in the past have posted false infomation or overly judgemental opinions, intentional or unintentional. This is a help thread and the regular posters on the Tech board don't like to see bad advice and misinformation get passed on. There was no exaggeration in your original recommendation to which you have edited - it was presented in a straight tone and meant to be taken seriously. You even presented a third-hand netbook experience to support your argument.

The TS has clarified what games he plays in the OP, of which Maplestory is not one of them. He has also stated longevity as a requirement, and netbooks have computing performance amongst that of the decade old Pentium IIIs and 4s. It doesn't matter if netbooks can fulfill basic tasks such as information browsing and document creation - their real world performance and experience is underwhelming. The issue I've found with "The Basics" is that no one uses a computer solely for those needs. The main issue with this is that there are always other things they do with it: They listen to music, they watch videos, they have Facebook open, etc. and they're doing all of this at the same time. In addition, many of these tasks should not be understated. Streaming video is a script heavy task that netbooks cannot reliably execute. HD streams (and by extension, HD video files) only exacerbate that shortcoming. This is not a personal opinion. It is a sentiment shared by many.

I am not speaking from my own preferences, which are leaps and bounds more demanding than what the TS wants. I am speaking from my knowledge of the hardware and my experiences from assisting others choose a computer for themselves. You don't like me? Okay, I really don't care. You think I don't like you? I don't even know who you are, but I don't want to see a recommendation as unacceptable as your's distract the TS.

@djpinc19: Basically you are using fancy words to call me stupid, I can "grasp" that much of what you are "conveying". Which in all honesty, I find quite rude of you. However you are not "grasping" the fact that I used the Netbook part as an [b]exaggeration rather than a serious suggestion[/b].

All in all you are talking about a computer that would be used for your own preferences, rather than the TS his preferences (Unless he clarified it later on that he would be using it for web development and design, which is a guess I made based upon the mentioning of photo editing and scripting sites). However my point still stands that for simple college work (I am thinking of typing up essays and looking up information), light gaming (thinking of games like Maplestory in this case) and for watching movies you do not need a Macbook. I am more than sure you don't need to go over 500 dollars for that.

My technical knowledge about computers isn't topnotch. I'll admit that much, however I'm not an idiot. So please do not treat me like one.

[quote=Skyenets]@djpinc19: For as far as I read it, it was college, light gaming and watching movies. My mom has a perfectly fine netbook for 300 dollars which can do all three. I don't know where the HD videos came from (If you mean editing that is), scripting, picture editing and all other crap came from, but yeah, that wasn't the first description given.

Taking my comment about a netbook a bit too literally though. I know it would probably not suffice in the gaming area, though buying a mac is ridiculous for what he is using it for.[/quote]

Then you obviously do not understand why recommending a netbook is bad for the TS nor can you comprehend the words I used. The netbook's form factor and tech specs are counterproductive for work. Even Intel did not intend for the netbook to be used as a primary computer. I won't explain myself further if it's clear you cannot grasp what I am conveying.

@djpinc19: For as far as I read it, it was college, light gaming and watching movies. My mom has a perfectly fine netbook for 300 dollars which can do all three. I don't know where the HD videos came from (If you mean editing that is), scripting, picture editing and all other crap came from, but yeah, that wasn't the first description given.

Taking my comment about a netbook a bit too literally though. I know it would probably not suffice in the gaming area, though buying a mac is ridiculous for what he is using it for.

[quote=saddays]TS, let me help you out by giving you the first GOOD answer in this whole damn thread. [/quote]

I'll give a +1 for this post. There is only one misunderstanding that needs clarification...

[quote=saddays]The only benefit of having an SSD drive is if you are going to be doing heavy multitasking. If you edit a lot of stuff, do a lot of programming, etc, an SSD will be helpful, but it won't be completely necessary, especially considering the price.[/quote]

Better multitasking is not an advantage SSDs have over HDDs. Instead, SSDs have faster transfer speeds and are more responsive.

[quote=Thorontur]Im not super techy geeky but i know that you shouldnt get the Air for college.[/quote]

Who told you that? There are acceptable, albeit niche reasons to buy a Macbook Air for college.

[quote=Skyenets]None of them. You don't need a Mac. All in all, a netbook would even suffice for what you are planning to do with it.[/quote]

My netbook is the saddest piece of crap of a computer I have ever owned. It can't do HD video, it can't play my games, it struggles with script heavy websites, and the screen is too small for any detail work such as picture editing, spreadsheets, and complex diagrams. The only two good things about it is portability and lagfree remote desktop.

[quote=Skyenets]I'd say, look at what saddays: said and only disregard the part where she said that a 1000$ windows laptop would be fine as well (I think you can go cheaper than that. Around 500$ even).[/quote]

Saddays was specifically referring to the 15-in Macbook Pro. The best Windows based counterpart to it is the Lenovo Y580 - a ~$1000 laptop.

None of them. You don't need a Mac. College, movies and a bit of gaming? I'd say, look at what @saddays: said and only disregard the part where she said that a 1000$ windows laptop would be fine as well (I think you can go cheaper than that. Around 500$ even).

Im not super techy geeky but i know that you shouldnt get the Air for college.

[quote=Gyarg]Does the SSD in the air really make that much of a difference? Apparently it's a lot faster? Is it that noticable? I'm a bit worried that the small-ish storage cap of the air may be a problem approaching 4 years and beyond (any air users care to share about the storage cap?)
As for the 15 inch, its there as an option for me. Not sure if the specs justify the price.

Thanks[/quote]

An SSD will noticeably improve system responsiveness, boot/shutdown time, programs start up, load times in games, etc. If you aren't going to be doing anything that is very taxing on the CPU/GPU, then component will probably be better investment moreso than a CPU or GPU. Of course, if you wish to play the more demanding games in the future, you would want to invest in a Mac with a better GPU than the integrated HD4000. In this case, the GT650m in the 15" MBP. Do you wish to play any other taxing games in the future?

The amount of storage you should get differ between person to person. If you are only going to be putting the OS, programs, a game or two on it, and some music files, then a 128GB SSD should be enough. You should calculate how much you think you are going to be needing though. Don't forget that you always have an option of a larger external HDD to be use as storage.

[quote=mapinguy]The TS could care about specs as he asked if he could game with it.
Macs can't game.
I'm not hating on macs, it is a [b]fact[/b] that macs are too pricey for what they are worth.. With a pc you can do whatever you want, you can upgrade it if you want to, it costs a lot less..While a mac is a 1500 - 2000$ facebook crap. I do not own a mac but i am forced to work with it as my school only has macs, I know what a mac can and cannot do.

@ TS (IMO) if you want a good premade computer you could mabey go for a good [url=www.alienware.com]alienware[/url] computer, you can fully customise it.

Edit: somehow I didn't do the link right, but you get what the site is. o.o[/quote]

I beg to differ. My early 2009 iMac pretty much plays most of the latest games at the highest settings. Crysis, SCII, BF3, Skyrim, etc. Clearly, you haven't used a mac enough, so until you actually own one, you can't say what a mac can, or cannot do. The only game I have come across that my iMac can't play on the highest settings is Metro 2033, but I don't play that game ever anyways.

13 inch would prob be best for you. macs arent the best at gaming, however they do get the job done

the graphic card sucks for $1000+

TS, let me help you out by giving you the first GOOD answer in this whole damn thread.

I own both macs and PCs. I have an iMac, an macbook pro, and a mac mini. I used to own a regular 13 macbook. As for PCs, I have an alienware m15x. A lenovo thinkpad, an asus aspire, and several self-built desktops.

Ok, so here goes.
I don't know to what extend you are going to be using your computer. Art? Music editing/authoring? As for me, I do a lot of digital painting and editing, and here is what I have come to understand. Basically, any mac built since 2009 will be able to do everything you want, plus some minor gaming at the least. The current choices you have all have decent specs for basically everything you need. Personally though, I recommend you stay away from the 13 inch because it has an integrated intel GPU. My 5 year old macbook pro has a dedicated nvidia GPU that is still faster than intel's integrated offerings. Because of this, I recommend you get the 15 inch with the dedicated nvidia GPU.

The only benefit of having an SSD drive is if you are going to be doing heavy multitasking. If you edit a lot of stuff, do a lot of programming, etc, an SSD will be helpful, but it won't be completely necessary, especially considering the price.

If you do buy the 15 inch with the retina display, I suggest you get the most expensive model - The problem with retina display MBPs is that all the parts are soldered in, so you won't be able to replace parts in the future.

As for performance, I can guarantee you that the 15 inch MBP will play pretty much any game you throw at it on at least medium-high settings, and should be good for games for at least the next 3 years. I still game on my 5 year old macbook pro (skyrim, SC2, maplestory, that sort of thing), and while my laptop is showing its age, I don't see the need to replace it for at least another 2 years.

But seriously though, lets consider what you will be doing. College, music, movies, games? All of that can be done on a $1000 PC laptop. I love my macs, but at the same time, unless you absolutely need a mac, a regular windows PC will do you just fine. The reason I use macs is because once again, I use a lot of art programs, and macs tend to have better multitasking management, and art oriented utilities, and UI features, which are especially helpful for my type of work.

What you buy is your choice. I would seriously recommend getting a PC laptop, but if you do get a MBP, get the 15 inch with the dedicated GPU. Spec it with 16 gigs of ram, and get at least half a terabyte of in-built storage. Might as well get the best laptop now since you won't be able to upgrade it later.

Hope this helps.

Portal and counter strike are mac supported by steam

Well if you get a MAC, you cant play games unless its Windows right? So im guessing your going to run an windows operating system? How about an Ultrabook?

[quote=bubblecup118]i recommend going to this site instead if your intention is buying a mac.

http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa

Most basil people are very bias and have hate on mac where most of them don't have one or does not know how to fully use it.

Look guys, some people [b]do not care about specs [/b]. You can have all the guys you want but unless you have a stable system or need high specs, then do not be so concern about specs.

Some people buy mac because of the OS.

If I was you I would eliminate the 15 inch pro, too heavy[/quote]
The TS could care about specs as he asked if he could game with it.
Macs can't game.
I'm not hating on macs, it is a [b]fact[/b] that macs are too pricey for what they are worth.. With a pc you can do whatever you want, you can upgrade it if you want to, it costs a lot less..While a mac is a 1500 - 2000$ facebook crap. I do not own a mac but i am forced to work with it as my school only has macs, I know what a mac can and cannot do.

@ TS (IMO) if you want a good premade computer you could mabey go for a good [url=www.alienware.com]alienware[/url] computer, you can fully customise it.

Edit: somehow I didn't do the link right, but you get what the site is. o.o

You want a mac. A mac. Why? The only benefit they have is being light and having good resolution and OS. They're fine computers, but you can get better specs for half the price.

Why do people get amazing computers if they don't need it? College? Movies? Music? Light gaming? Do they think that college requires a mega computer or something? Unless you're taking computer specific courses, you don't need a good computer. Even if you are, you wouldn't need one until you're a senior or in grad school. Movies and music... my 15 inch $300 laptop can be hooked up to the television and show streamed or torrented movies with extremely amazing graphics. And it can play anything that's lower graphics than vindictus on medium-low settings.

Unless you're gaming high spec games, or you're doing digital art forms, or you're doing high level programming (and I doubt you are because OSX and programming...lol), you won't need anything more than a $300 laptop. And yes, they can last 4 years.

[quote=Gyarg]O_O I feel stupid. I didnt know they had a forum.
And yes, I love the mac os. Ty for the info.[/quote]

If you need ethernet port, the CD drive or the firewire port go pro

If you want SSD or a lighter form go air.

Either way I'm sure you will be happy with eithre choice. I have a mac too and its very good for college/uni, great battery life unlike some windows laptop terrible bettery life.

I want to point this out but some windows thin notesbook are even more expensive than an air.

[quote=bubblecup118]i recommend going to this site instead if your intention is buying a mac.

http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa

Most basil people are very bias and have hate on mac where most of them don't have one or does not know how to fully use it.

Look guys, some people [b]do not care about specs [/b]. You can have all the guys you want but unless you have a stable system or need high specs, then do not be so concern about specs.

Some people buy mac because of the OS.

If I was you I would eliminate the 15 inch pro, too heavy[/quote]

O_O I feel stupid. I didnt know they had a forum.
And yes, I love the mac os. Ty for the info.

i recommend going to this site instead if your intention is buying a mac.

http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa

Most basil people are very bias and have hate on mac where most of them don't have one or does not know how to fully use it.

Look guys, some people [b]do not care about specs [/b]. You can have all the guys you want but unless you have a stable system or need high specs, then do not be so concern about specs.

Some people buy mac because of the OS.

If I was you I would eliminate the 15 inch pro, too heavy

Knew I'd get the mac haters here
If you recommend something other than the choices above, i'd like to see a specific brand or model that you recommend.
Thanks

Macs arn't worth it, get a PC, more to work with. Cheaper too.

Macs are overrated these days... Get a pc.

Get a PC. Its cheap as crap and awesome as nutella

Honestly, i'd say get a better computer which is NOT a mac (you can build it yourself or buy a pre made one) , you'll save some money.
Also if you want to game, don't get a mac.

da hell. You can get a much better laptop for much cheaper.