General

@NoHomo: I am not talking about gaining experience or what is best. I am talking about grinding ethics. Not talking about leveling speed either. You're missing the point of the thread...

Because players, even those who've played for Maple for a while now, become accustomed to the new benefits, and with time, notices little difference.
For example, as the world continues to develop, we get access to a more comfortable lifestyle. You wouldn't want to be stuck in a room with ancient technology like Macintosh II, would you?
Same principle.

I do agree though, it'd be nice if well-funded people could fight mobs above their level instead of being limited to mobs your level (or near) or lower. Luckily after the Chaos Patch the accuracy per level is 2% instead of 5%, so this will be a bit more possible. Instead of Horntail being 141+, it'll be 120+!

a good amount of the people in the old worlds (scania,bera,winda, etc) are prob just vets that have been playing since beta. so grinding as much kinda gets old n boring. but then again theres not really anymore motivation like it was when tiger, dillenger and etc where around cause there wasnt a lv 200 for prob 2 years. and after about 20 people have got to that lv others got less motivated and started to expand there charters they have. but then again i could be wrong.

This true if you train to fast people label you a "hacker"

[quote=Lejendus]Let's see. You just listed a ton of monsters, ranging from about level 70 to 160. Keeping in mind the new accuracy formula, people are restricted to their own level bracket. Pre-BB, you could train wherever you wanted. I agree, there were less separate spots above level 100, but you weren't restricted by anything other than your max HP. In a 2x event, you could just head into the Skele minidungeon.

Nowadays, if you try finding a place to train on a 2x event, you'll have next to nothing between about level 115-145.

I'm not saying that post-BB totally sucks, I'm just saying it's far less accessible than it should be.[/quote]

I listed mobs for different level ranges that are decent. I could name wayyyy more. They're not even bad experience, lol. It's probably better experience now than pre-BB.

[quote=Lejendus]Let's see. You just listed a ton of monsters, ranging from about level 70 to 160. Keeping in mind the new accuracy formula, people are restricted to their own level bracket. Pre-BB, you could train wherever you wanted. I agree, there were less separate spots above level 100, but you weren't restricted by anything other than your max HP. In a 2x event, you could just head into the Skele minidungeon.

Nowadays, if you try finding a place to train on a 2x event, you'll have next to nothing between about level 115-145.

I'm not saying that post-BB totally sucks, I'm just saying it's far less accessible than it should be.[/quote]

not to mention, strong people could train in places WAAAY over their level, i was lucky enough to get berzerk 30, and with it i could train at oblivion almost at level 130, and survive thanks to HB+rex earrings, and it was good enough, but now, i can barely hit a chief qualm guardian. and the maps aren't good for warriors until OBV 3 and 4.

:x I could level before in 12.5 hours,Sure the 1x is faster,but really I'll go 12.5 vs 50hours(about what it takes to level now) sure the 1x is better ...but at the same time its still 1x and I have things to do instead of playing more hours than a full time job

only reason i lv slow is cause i take it easy plus i get bored

[quote=iCodykins]Are you srs? There are tons of training spots! There's Red Dragon Turtles, Rextons, Jr Newties, Skeles, ToT maps, Ludi maps, Leafre maps such as Kentaurus, many maps such as MP3, Captains and Krus, Dual Ghost Pirates/Normal Ghost Pirates, and those are just the popular ones. There's SO many training options as far as map goes now as opposed to pre-BB.[/quote]

Let's see. You just listed a ton of monsters, ranging from about level 70 to 160. Keeping in mind the new accuracy formula, people are restricted to their own level bracket. Pre-BB, you could train wherever you wanted. I agree, there were less separate spots above level 100, but you weren't restricted by anything other than your max HP. In a 2x event, you could just head into the Skele minidungeon.

Nowadays, if you try finding a place to train on a 2x event, you'll have next to nothing between about level 115-145.

I'm not saying that post-BB totally sucks, I'm just saying it's far less accessible than it should be.

[quote=Lejendus]What the first poster said, and the general lack of training areas. Until this patch, there wasn't really a giant selection, unlike at, say, level 70. Add a large population, and Wild Hackers and Mechanics, and you end up with very unfun training.[/quote]

Are you srs? There are tons of training spots! There's Red Dragon Turtles, Rextons, Jr Newties, Skeles, ToT maps, Ludi maps, Leafre maps such as Kentaurus, many maps such as MP3, Captains and Krus, Dual Ghost Pirates/Normal Ghost Pirates, and those are just the popular ones. There's SO many training options as far as map goes now as opposed to pre-BB.

[quote=NoHomo]ppl from older servers are generally higher lvl or have/had high lvl chars. previously high lvl chars don't generally grind (except for maybe mages), they boss for exp. Ht runs, zak runs, gpa, bigfoot had far more rewarding exp than they do now and it was overall a more "fun" way to level than repetitive grinding.[/quote]

Obviously people in older servers are a bit higher level (hence, [b]older[/b]), but the general population of older servers are lower levels (if you average it). I just see a lot of people complaining about grinding at ToT and such and gaining such little experience. Bossing isn't really grinding capabilities. :c

Attention whoring
"congratulations to xAznLuffy123x for being the first nolife lvl 200 in zenith"

What the first poster said, and the general lack of training areas. Until this patch, there wasn't really a giant selection, unlike at, say, level 70. Add a large population, and Wild Hackers and Mechanics, and you end up with very unfun training.

because those general people relied on bishop leech with a 2x coupon every 4 hours to level,seriously BB is so much better then how ms used to be,in the training aspect that one cannot say that its worse without trolling themselves.