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[quote=xlxlxlxl]@mr159: found it
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=73244

Edit: pretty sure there was another thread, but I'm not gonna search for it. If you have recording software you should test it. As for the answer to your question, there are DPS tables on Southperry with hits/s listed as well. If you're capping just use whichever has higher hits/s. Also, remember that Snipe has passive ignore defense which furthers the damage difference against most relevant bosses.[/quote]

oo tyvm, so its gonna be bdance for sure then

@mr159: found it
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=73244

Edit: pretty sure there was another thread, but I'm not gonna search for it. If you have recording software you should test it. As for the answer to your question, there are DPS tables on Southperry with hits/s listed as well. If you're capping just use whichever has higher hits/s. Also, remember that Snipe has passive ignore defense which furthers the damage difference against most relevant bosses.

[quote=xlxlxlxl]There's some discussion on Southperry about keydown attacks that cause character movement (like BD and Mille) being affected by attack speed. I'm too lazy to find and link you to it, though [/quote]

I could be wrong but to my understanding of the "hold down" skills such as bdance/hurricane/rf/etc only the start delay would be reduced, the hits per secs are fixed.... at least that was my understanding of these types of skills.

I am not sure how many hits bdance does either per sec thats why I figured I'd ask the difference in capping with both but comparing the fastest atk speed achievable with snipe vs cap bdance...maybe would have been a cheaper alternative with about the same dps... but I found out that there was too big of a difference in dps when you cap with bdance for snipe to ever catch up

[quote=topLEL]Where did you find this, if you don't mind me asking. Cause I can't find anything that states this x_x Always thought Beam Dance was a set 8hit/s..[/quote]

There's some discussion on Southperry about keydown attacks that cause character movement (like BD and Mille) being affected by attack speed. I'm too lazy to find and link you to it, though

[quote=johnkimbaboh]Beam Dance benefits from attack speed and hitting near cap is enough to outdamage snipe. For bosses with limited attacking opportunities(cvellum) people use snipe but for everything else except dojo they use beam dance.[/quote]

Where did you find this, if you don't mind me asking. Cause I can't find anything that states this x_x Always thought Beam Dance was a set 8hit/s..

Beam Dance benefits from attack speed and hitting near cap is enough to outdamage snipe. For bosses with limited attacking opportunities(cvellum) people use snipe but for everything else except dojo they use beam dance.

[quote=MrSinDeath19]If you don't OHKO then Beam dance is clearly better due to the speed. But if you can OHKO then BD has a slower startup than one snipe so snipe is better in this case[/quote]

That's true was just unsure about max speed on snipe, figured i'd ask before circulating over 20% boss

[quote=ImANoob]This is off topic but does other people get laggy when they use beam dance on a big mob of monsters?[/quote]

I get laggy when i do it anywhere, it varies though sometimes it lags sometimes it doesn't lag as much...

This is off topic but does other people get laggy when they use beam dance on a big mob of monsters?

If you don't OHKO then Beam dance is clearly better due to the speed. But if you can OHKO then BD has a slower startup than one snipe so snipe is better in this case

[quote=applesfori]beam dance cus server lag[/quote]

Oh okay I guess it was worth it to push my damage to cap with beam dance.

beam dance cus server lag

Actually i meant bosses like ummm cvellum or hellux or even magnus, but with all things considered because i've seen a kms run of a xenon using blade dance the whole time and i think he did it in like 9 mins, where as when ppl use snipe it is like 14-18 min runs...also i think the ppl who have snipe dont have everything to achieve the max speed possible, tbh im only missing that IA or else i'd test it myself, however i heard atk speed IA is very hard to get..i currently have 20% boss so i dont think circulating over that would be a good idea unless snipe is infact faster

[quote=Scomomage]I'm not so sure...I hit cap with both, and I end up with slower dojo times using bdance than snipe, and I don't have the +1 attack speed IA[/quote]

Apparently its because BDance has a startup animation delay that makes Snipe faster if you're 1 hitting the bosses early

[quote=Hydraxide]Bdance is faster by a lot. I don't remember where bit someone said hitting something like 30m+ on bdance is enough to beat out snipe.[/quote]

I'm not so sure...I hit cap with both, and I end up with slower dojo times using bdance than snipe, and I don't have the +1 attack speed IA

Bdance is faster by a lot. I don't remember where bit someone said hitting something like 30m+ on bdance is enough to beat out snipe.