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Xenon

keep cubing or good enough?

I currently have this fafnir whip equipped and have been working on a replacement, I am currently able to cap with blade dance on everything (cvellum included). I am considering swapping to the terminus later when the xenon gets buffed...

Should I keep these pots/bpots or try for a better combination?

http://oi57.tinypic.com/35irwc1.jpg (sorry if the pic is a bit blurry)

January 27, 2015

21 Comments • Newest first

iEvanMaster

@killercool9:

*shrug*

Okay. I won't hold it against you if you're not interested, you're fully entitled to that opinion.

But [i]just[/i] for the sake of helping people fight against Nexon's bs p2win game, and the crap that is known as cubing, I'll just say something simple.

Get both %boss and %atk to be as strong as possible. Don't just single one out and concentrate only on improving %boss or %atk. Get 80-90% pdr.

That is all.

Reply January 30, 2015
killercool9

@iEvanMaster: Screw it, if i'm wrong I'll hold that. Not really important to me lmao

Reply January 30, 2015
iEvanMaster

@killercool9

He's actually right, and I'll explain why but [i]only[/i] if you're willing to listen.

TLDR; You just need to know that %atk is better than %boss [b]when they're in equal amounts[/b].

There's a small nitpick with Axnslicer's assertion, 9%atk is better than 12% boss in [i]almost[/i] all scenarios, but one possible scenario where the 12%boss is better than 9%atk is if someone had 33% or less %boss and %total damage combined, while also possessing 0%atk.
However, since most classes have some form of %boss and %total damage in one way or another it's extremely unlikely for that scenario to take place for even a unfunded person, assuming they're at level 200 and are actively trying to upgrade their equips.

@Axnslicer

I feel that a lot of people don't know the mathematical formulas behind the game, and simply repeat falsehood that they've heard from elsewhere, most likely friends who are also misinformed.

As frustrating as it is... the only choices for people that do know the damage range formulas and etcetera is either explain things over and over in hopes that people can use the knowledge to upgrade their gear in a more efficient manner, or as I've learned (unfortunately)

Especially on basilmarket, most people don't seem to take this seriously and continue to waste mesos and NX on suboptimal upgrades, while calling you out for "doing too much math" as has been done to me when I've attempted to explain in the past.

Therefore, sometimes it's just best to lay low and watch.

Reply January 30, 2015 - edited
Axnslicer

[quote=killercool9]@Axnslicer: 30% boss = 30% of your damage range...... "raw range". It multiplies your raw damage range by .3 and adds that to your raw range on bosses...

12% attack = 12% of the attack equipped on your character....[/quote]

Go read the damage formula. If you still don't get why 9% att > 12 % boss, run the numbers. If you still fail to understand even after that, I have no interest in discussing this further. You can figure it out with google.

Reply January 29, 2015 - edited
killercool9

@Axnslicer: 30% boss = 30% of your damage range...... "raw range". It multiplies your raw damage range by .3 and adds that to your raw range on bosses...

12% attack = 12% of the attack equipped on your character....

Reply January 29, 2015 - edited
Axnslicer

[quote=killercool9]@Axnslicer: 12% att multiplies depending on your att count whereas boss multiplies raw range. Unless you somehow have tons of attack and still a small range (even then i'm sure it wouldn't be better) you're better off going with %boss.

But do whatever you want, it's your money idc at all lol.[/quote]

Lol, it's so amusing how ignorant people justify their statements. Since they have no clue how the formulas actually work they spout nonsensical statements like "boss multiplies raw range".

Hint: Stop digging, you're only embarrassing yourself.

Reply January 29, 2015 - edited
killercool9

@Axnslicer: 12% att multiplies depending on your att count whereas boss multiplies raw range. Unless you somehow have tons of attack and still a small range (even then i'm sure it wouldn't be better) you're better off going with %boss.

But do whatever you want, it's your money idc at all lol.

Reply January 29, 2015 - edited
Axnslicer

[quote=killercool9]Do not cube that unless you wanna spend hundreds more dollars for a slim chance to get better stats. 12% att 12% boss is sick. Much better than 2 lines of %att if you're bossing[/quote]

You have no idea what you're talking about, 9% att > 12% boss any day.

Reply January 28, 2015 - edited
mr159

[quote=killercool9]Do not cube that unless you wanna spend hundreds more dollars for a slim chance to get better stats. 12% att 12% boss is sick. Much better than 2 lines of %att if you're bossing[/quote]

Ya I playing the "maple slots" is something that gets expensive real fast.

[quote=SadVirgin]Brotip: scroll lock for screenshotting, it ends up in the Maple program folder but you can change it if you want to under system options[/quote]

Ya, I normally use puush since scroll lock requires me to open up the maple folder. But this pic I took on my phone cuz I was linking another friend of mine via Skype.

Also I think I have been overlooking the fact that I probably am at the hard cap already since booster+dsi+mpe pot+atk speed IA with a fafnir whip should be at the hard cap, but in case i am not at the hard cap, the terminus is ready to go as is!

Reply January 28, 2015 - edited
killercool9

Do not cube that unless you wanna spend hundreds more dollars for a slim chance to get better stats. 12% att 12% boss is sick. Much better than 2 lines of %att if you're bossing

Reply January 28, 2015 - edited
SadVirgin

Brotip: scroll lock for screenshotting, it ends up in the Maple program folder but you can change it if you want to under system options

Reply January 28, 2015 - edited
MrSinDeath19

[quote=Compose]Terminus is one speed faster than Fafnir[/quote]

Oh cool, didn't know that.... Shows how much I pay attention to my Xenon lol

Reply January 28, 2015 - edited
mr159

[quote=iEvanMaster]Short Ver:

The Terminus is more or less, around the same as the Fafnir except when fighting Chaos Vellum, but you cap anyway with snipe on the Terminus so that doesn't matter. No point in recubing when you're going to hit cap anyway with the Terminus as it is currently with snipe...

If you want specific numbers, we need more information to calculate them, specifically your %boss, %total damage and %atk.[/quote]

Definitely true, I wasn't really planning on selling my fafnir whip so I can always swap back if capping with blade dance ever becomes a problem, so I'll keep the pots as is and save the $, tyvm!

Reply January 28, 2015 - edited
iEvanMaster

[quote=mr159]This^ basically, thats kind of why I dont care much for trying to make the terminus better than the fafnir, but I was just wondering if it is on par with it, if not, then I'll have to recube a bit[/quote]

Short Ver:

The Terminus is more or less, around the same as the Fafnir except when fighting Chaos Vellum, but you cap anyway with snipe on the Terminus so that doesn't matter. No point in recubing when you're going to hit cap anyway with the Terminus as it is currently with snipe...

If you want specific numbers, we need more information to calculate them, specifically your %boss, %total damage and %atk.

Reply January 28, 2015 - edited
mr159

[quote=Compose]Terminus is one speed faster than Fafnir[/quote]

This^ basically, thats kind of why I dont care much for trying to make the terminus better than the fafnir, but I was just wondering if it is on par with it, if not, then I'll have to recube a bit

Reply January 28, 2015 - edited
Compose

[quote=MrSinDeath19]If you can cap on everything with BD already why would you upgrade anything...?[/quote]

Terminus is one speed faster than Fafnir

Reply January 28, 2015 - edited
MrSinDeath19

If you can cap on everything with BD already why would you upgrade anything...?

Reply January 28, 2015 - edited
mr159

Actually I spent 1.2m nx on my current fafnir whip's bpot, I really don't want to go through that annoying thing again, wanted to compare the 2 whips and see if the terminus whip is close to my fafnir one, I will probably be using blade dance either way but I figure that in those few situations where snipe will be easier, I will be using that.

Reply January 28, 2015 - edited
Omniscient1

Yea spend at least 500k nx and cube for godly stats.

Reply January 27, 2015 - edited
Prhyme

If you feel like wasting like another 100k nx on cubes then by all means listen to him ^

Reply January 27, 2015 - edited
AntiSenpai

I'd get rid of that Magic attack for sure, get two lines of boss or % att then have a third decent line.

Reply January 27, 2015 - edited