Explain what is the difference between Scamming and Merching
I was playing some TF2 and someone wanted to buy one of my items. I said a ridiculously high price and people in the game started saying I was scamming. I tried to explain what scamming was and then what buying low and selling high is. They're too stupid and stubborn to listen. So Basil Community what is the difference between scamming and merching? (In Your Opinion)
September 4, 2012
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[quote=annablackz]Scamming= Getting items/mesos for nothing in exchange, basically tricking someone to do something only you will get benefit from. Merching=Buying Low priced items and selling them for High prices.[/quote]
No thats call profitting... I mine ores
YOU BUY THEM.
Thanks all. Kids on TF2 gave up.
[quote=ilovethemcakes]@nhan1st: stop trying to act like my mom, stupid 7th grader / 20 year old on basilmarket hahahahha[/quote]
At least I don't have to live with you like she does. God I feel sorry for that woman.
[quote=ilovethemcakes]@nhan1st: grammar please? and stop trying to freaking talk to me, loser.[/quote]
Oh please, be nice.
[quote=ilovethemcakes]@nhan1st: lol get a life if you dohn't know what noiob means[/quote]
You're right! I have no clue what a "noiob" or what a "dohn't" mean. I'm sure your "life" is great. Who wouldn't want to sit in front of their screen trolling a thread <3
[quote=NebulaSyndicate]Though how am I supposed to compare it when they say that bot ways they're getting ripped off which is getting scammed.[/quote]
Basically in TF2, overpricing is considered "sharking" well at least if they don't know the price.
There is no such thing as a set price for something in MapleStory, there is only the price that someone is willing to pay for/sell an an item. It is not scamming if someone offers to buy something from you and the price is above what it normally sells for. Vice-versa it is not scamming if you buy something for a very low price from someone if they agree to it. You may have buyer/seller remorse later, but to actually sit here and say that it's "scamming" is ridiculous. Scamming is giving an item to someone and then them not following through with whatever they were supposed to give you. Point blank. It is not the buyer or sellers fault if the person they are selling to or buying from agrees to a trade without looking up the "current value" of an item. This is a game with virtual currency and the players are the ones who determine the price of things.
[quote=ilovethemcakes]@nhan1st: is that your best? calling me a guy? hhahhaha says the noob.[/quote]
Well, I guess if it's the truth, it isn't really offensive. Anyways what is a noob? Please define.
Though how am I supposed to compare it when they say that bot ways they're getting ripped off which is getting scammed.
Scamming = fooling an idiot.
Merching = buy low sell high. Costumers are well aware of the price and if a costumer buys something even at a high price it's because he must've found it reasonable so yeah.
Definitely not the same thing, people just lack common decency and knowledge to comprehend that.
[quote=Chema]In my eyes, there is a [b]blurry[/b], if it even exists, line between merching and scamming
Merchants cause inflation. Not as badly as hackers, but they do.
Capitalism is total BS. USA proved that 100% in the 1930s.
People who buy low and sell high purely for profit don't help anyone but themselves in the long run.
6 years ago, the NX:Meso ratio was 1:1000
Now, it's 1:50000 in Windia. Partly due to hackers and MTS, but also largely due to merchanting. Every single one of merchs contribute to the ridiculousness.
The only relief merchs get from the blame is that it should be Nexon's responsibility to curb this wild growth.
Oh and one more thing.
Merchs do NOT work for their wealth. Merchanting is the accepted form of exploitation.
You buy something, push up it's price, and force people to accept it as the proper price. Taking the wealth that normal player actually work for by hunting and questing for items and currency.
True entrepreneurs provide their own product and sell specifically to demand.
Merchants exploit by buying from entrepreneurs, and re-selling, acting as a greedy middle-man.
And don't you dare to complain reselling on maple to IRL, due to the implications IRL has (transportation, packaging, assembling, etc)[/quote]
I annoys me when people say merchers cause inflation. They only do if [b]AND[/b] only if u look at the immediate effect. If u look at the entire thing, they obviously dont. What causes inflations/deflations is simply supply and demand.
Lets start this:
First of all, yes merchers sell things for more than theyre worth. This does cause fluctuations in price. However, they dont cause extreme inflation because at one point, many people will stop buying. For example, if ws are worth 100m, no one would buy for 150m when they can buy for 100m. Therefore, even if the only ones they can find are for 150m, they will at least wait (unless extremely desperate) until it either shows no sign of dropping, or till it drops. Now the merchers want to make mesos. If they see that they arent selling ANY ws at all, they would slowly drop the price. If they sell for 140m and get 2x more buyers, its obviously more efficient to sell the ws for 140m, get the mesos, then merch other items. Now because of competition, the price will continue to drop. As there is a high number of the supply and less demand, the price will drop. As the price drops, the demand increases until it hits a plateau where the supply and demand makes a constant price.
Now you may ask, how do u merch, if the price is always constant.
The important part to realize is that the price is not constant. It is always fluctuating depending on supply and demand. When someone wants an item worth only 6m, but sees one for 8m, he (if he has enough money) may think that its not worth the 2m to search for another one, so may buy it. here the demand is high as the supply is low. since he sees it, assumes its not worth looking for a cheaper one, he's willing to buy it for 8m.
OT: In my opinion, scamming is only when u break an agreement of a trade for your own benefit.
On the other hand, merching is when both sides agree to a price and trade for that price, whether its too cheap or expensive. Even if an item, worth a bil, is sold for only 100m, as long as both sides agreed to it, its not a scam. The seller who lost 900m may feel bad, but its his fault that he didnt get a correct p/c. However, if the buyer agreed to a bil, but bought it for 100m through hacking, cancel-trade, or glitching, it would be a scam.
There is none in my eyes. Making a profit is different from ripping people off.
For example, buying a 1bil item for 800mil and then selling it for 1.2bil is merching.
Buying a 1bil item by convincing someone selling it that it is worth 300mil and selling it for 2.1bil by convincing the buyer that is what the item is worth is ripping someone off.
Just from what I've seen:
Scamming usually involves some form of deception or trickery in which the "scammer" gains trust from the victim in order to nefariously bilk the person's possessions for personal profit. This usually results in contempt towards the scammer, which in most cases may lead to defamation (in the form of smegas and whispers), and loss of integrity and reputation for the scammer and in some instances the scammer's friends and guild.
Merching on the other hand has no form of deception or cheating involved.. Merching occurs from the buying of poorly or underpriced items, and then selling them at the correct market value or higher for profit. Being merched off of may result in the regret and shame. The mercher in rare instances may experience angry whispers for a trade back, and if morally upright the mercher will return the item for what he paid if not slightly more.
Clarifications:
Scamming: Giving someone an intentionally inaccurate appraisal for their item, and then buying it off them at that price.
Merching: Someone explicitly states that they are selling something for a certain price (which may be outrageously low), and your buying of the item and reselling at the correct value or higher.
Merching: someone buying an item in your shop for more than what its worth, without you telling them a price.
[quote=ilovethemcakes]says the noob[/quote]
Define noob please, g.i.r.l
want an example of scam?
29atk "glove" <---- 100%'d knuckle
You bought an item you didn't even need, then you sold it slightly higher
That is pushing the price up
I don't know who are you trying to fool here
Scamming is when you tell people the wrong price of something so they sell it to you for that price.
Merching is when you buy items that are priced by the seller.
The spelling.
[quote=gamey109]Your example of scamming isn't scamming. That's just ripping the other person off really badly.[/quote]
It is scamming if he made them believe the item was worth 150 m when it actually wasn't (and so they willingly bought the item). They were deceived. But i suppose the way he phrased it, you could say it's just ripping them off.
Yeah, but how do I explain to people its not scamming when they say that its both ripping them off.
[quote=TwinTurbine]Scamming would be to get someone to buy an item at a price that is waaay over what the item is worth. Merching is more of a finding and item at a low price and re-selling it for a higher price.
They are very similar, but merching doesn't usually include a sky high price.
Ex: Scamming: Selling a Sauna Robe for 150 mil because someone was willing to buy it for that price.
Merching: Finding a Sauna Robe for 50 mil, it's worth 75, and you sell it for 100.[/quote]
Your example of scamming isn't scamming. That's just ripping the other person off really badly.
In my eyes, there is a [b]blurry[/b], if it even exists, line between merching and scamming
Merchants cause inflation. Not as badly as hackers, but they do.
Capitalism is total BS. USA proved that 100% in the 1930s.
People who buy low and sell high purely for profit don't help anyone but themselves in the long run.
6 years ago, the NX:Meso ratio was 1:1000
Now, it's 1:50000 in Windia. Partly due to hackers and MTS, but also largely due to merchanting. Every single one of merchs contribute to the ridiculousness.
The only relief merchs get from the blame is that it should be Nexon's responsibility to curb this wild growth.
Oh and one more thing.
Merchs do NOT work for their wealth. Merchanting is the accepted form of exploitation.
You buy something, push up it's price, and force people to accept it as the proper price. Taking the wealth that normal player actually work for by hunting and questing for items and currency.
True entrepreneurs provide their own product and sell specifically to demand.
Merchants exploit by buying from entrepreneurs, and re-selling, acting as a greedy middle-man.
And don't you dare to complain reselling on maple to IRL, due to the implications IRL has (transportation, packaging, assembling, etc)
Scamming would be to get someone to buy an item at a price that is waaay over what the item is worth. Merching is more of a finding and item at a low price and re-selling it for a higher price.
They are very similar, but merching doesn't usually include a sky high price.
Ex: Scamming: Selling a Sauna Robe for 150 mil because someone was willing to buy it for that price.
Merching: Finding a Sauna Robe for 50 mil, it's worth 75, and you sell it for 100.
There really is little to no difference.
I associate scamming with backing out of a trade after you've received your part of the trade (Buying fame, Nx)
While Merching is getting something for as cheap as possible and selling for as much as possible, as long as the full trade is completed it isn't "true" scamming regardless of how good of a deal you got it for.
merchanting is buying somthing for a low price and selling it for a higher price when the seller choose to sell for that price
while scamming is when u take somthing from someone and ur supposed to be paying him and u dont like if he gifts u nx and u just run away and dont pay him
and vice versa if u gift him the nx or so and he dosent pay u
Scamming= Getting items/mesos for nothing in exchange, basically tricking someone to do something only you will get benefit from. Merching=Buying Low priced items and selling them for High prices.
Nothing