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@antyclea: But the truth is Kaiser is getting buffed, and it would be a better investment to fund a kaiser as opposed to a class that is stagnant. I don't think the TS intends to make a character that can hit max every line so telling him to make a potentially weaker class is a waste of time.

[quote=antyclea]DB's don't need to be able to hit Max. Even if they do 30mill per line thats as good as hero's hitting max or other jobs.[/quote]

In any case, the buffed up kaiser has a higher damage output using his gigawave at 310%, and unless the DB hits close to max, Kaiser would do more dmg by default, you can use DPM charts to confirm this.

@antyclea: I said in the case where DB can hit max, how many ppl can achieve that? DB just ain't as good unless u can get max dmg

[quote=antyclea]Both have major disadvantages:
DB don't have permanent Final Cut + low HP so if you get hit by empress it's a 1 hit KO.
Kaiser's need Tempest Blades, Wing Beat, Dragon to make use of its full potential. And most bosses like Gollux won't give you that time to use all those and therefore DPS goes out the water. Only boss that applies to Kasier's high DPS is HT and Zakum since they don't move.[/quote]

wth are u talking about? Kaiser can attack gollux outside of it's attacking range (easy/normal/hard only), so I can easily use my wing beats to attack gollux. And the dragon serves another purpose while golluxing. If ur dmg is high enough, and I suppose it should be if you can kill hard gollux, you spawn the dragon on the other side to kill those potatos while you attack gollux's head with the overly long range gigawave.

Also kaiser is getting a buff that boost its gigawave up to 310% dmg, better than db's 200% right?

However I do agree that kaiser, unlike db, has to do the full set up to do max dmg, so in any case, if both class can hit max dmg, then db outdmgs kaiser in terms of practicality.

@PhreshPrynce: No, in between wing beats you can spam gigas to do something about the delay @Parfit

[quote=Xploithero]Everytime it runs out, which should roughly be when tempest blades cd resets[/quote]

So spamming giga and refreshing wing beat once it's finished is the best dpm you can get from it? Better than having 3 wing beats out right? Sounds legit, thats what i do but im always wondering if i should be maxing wing beat b4 returning to gigga spam.

[quote=PhreshPrynce]Hmm.. all this always sounds good on paper, but in game, it's usually different.

A Db goes from 0-100mph instantly... ur buffed, get in the map, Final cut then phantom blow. Need a step further? Asura. I feel like kaisers dpm has all these steps to it that you gotta repeat, always juggling between gigga, wing beat, tempest blades. It creates slight pauses during game play while a db can just hold down the phantom blow button and literally stand on the boss, avoiding every hit, and keepin up the 100% crit rate, never pausing for anything but rebuffing.

As a kaiser, i found myself always juggling skills, repotting after being hit a couple times... as a db i can keep up the dpm easily, and far more smoothly. The ability to ignore reflect is truly amazing though, i'll give kaiser that.

How often should you be spamming wing beat anyway? What about tempest blade? Dragon breath?[/quote]

Everytime it runs out, which should roughly be when tempest blades cd resets

Hmm.. all this always sounds good on paper, but in game, it's usually different.

A Db goes from 0-100mph instantly... ur buffed, get in the map, Final cut then phantom blow. Need a step further? Asura. I feel like kaisers dpm has all these steps to it that you gotta repeat, always juggling between gigga, wing beat, tempest blades. It creates slight pauses during game play while a db can just hold down the phantom blow button and literally stand on the boss, avoiding every hit, and keepin up the 100% crit rate, never pausing for anything but rebuffing.

As a kaiser, i found myself always juggling skills, repotting after being hit a couple times... as a db i can keep up the dpm easily, and far more smoothly. The ability to ignore reflect is truly amazing though, i'll give kaiser that.

How often should you be spamming wing beat anyway? What about tempest blade? Dragon breath?

Who clocks in more hits per second?
kaiser
Who deals more dpm without funding?
dual blade, asura is nice
Who deals more dpm with funding?
kaiser, more hits per second
Better bosser overall?
kaiser, they ignore dr

[quote=raesoner]both need a lot of funding in order to deal nice numbers actually, so if u dont have much money , those 2 classes arent the best for maining unfortunatelly
about ur questions, i find against bosses both oretty decent, while db hits like 12 or 14 hits, cant remember, and got also asura, kaisers can ignore dr and are amazingly fast atting
IMO id say with a lot of funding, kaiser would deal more dmg than a db with the exact same funding per minute, cuz kaiser, despite it only does 10 or 12 attacks while db does 12 or 14, cant remember, they got skillls to ignore dr and cancel weapon att which helps a lot when killing bosses like empress, pink bean,etc , and they can also cast wingbeat+advanced tempest blades, which adds a lot to ur dpm, on the other side, db can cast asura, wich is an amazing skill that deals huge numbers in few time.
All in all, i prefer kaisers, i like their original playstyle, they got way more hp than db and are able to tank at bosses.[/quote]

Fundings per minute, you are full of strange and wonderful things