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[quote=rabbithole]47. Did you know that Dark Sight was absolutely necessary for Ludi PQ? The Block Golems in one stage touch damage 1 hit killed you.

48. Did you know that parties used to donate mesos to the chief bandit so he/she can set up bags of mesos before summoning Zakum?
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Fixed and at 48, During magatia pq "Okay guys, pay up"

Did you know that Dark Sight was absolutely necessary for Ludi PQ? The Dark Golems in one stage touch damage 1 hit killed you.
^ The exact monster name escapes me right now so fix please?

Did you know that parties used to donate mesos to the chief bandit so he/she can set up bags of mesos before summoning Zakum?

I'll look at CE's character later to see if it's Korean. Lazy to turn on my laptop atm. If it's Japanese I'll ask my hubby. He's fluent in Japanese (even Kanji!)

41. Did you know that the Shinkita and Kebob are the slowest daggers in Gms?
42. Did you know that the Reverse Pescas means Reverse Fishing? or Reverse Fishies?
43. Did you know that back when M.E. was still based on how much you dropped, it could kill [b]anything[/b] Ex:Tamed Mob, jump quest monsters, gpq golems that did 11k damage, etc.

@MrTouchnGo: You are confusing Pickpocket from me, and time Time Sphere from your stripping pole. Just saying.

[quote=j0s3a4d]About #8:
Definitely false, steal does not work on bosses.
About #30:
Assaulter still ignores defense.

Did you know that there used to be a glitch with Assassinate where the Shadow Partner hits would hit over twice the normal Damage?
Did you know that Pickpocket used to give shiny coins instead of only 1 meso coins?
Did you know that iAtLnbAndLt is the sexiest Shadower in gMS?
Did you know that Meso Mastery was called Greed in kMS?
Did you know that Venom used to stack with itself?
Did you know that Dragon Khanjars used to be extremely cheap?[/quote]

Pickpocket used to drop stacks of bills from Time Sphere.

About #8:
Definitely false, steal does not work on bosses.
About #30:
Assaulter still ignores defense.

Did you know that there used to be a glitch with Assassinate where the Shadow Partner hits would hit over twice the normal Damage?
Did you know that Pickpocket used to give shiny coins instead of only 1 meso coins?
Did you know that iAtLnbAndLt is the sexiest Shadower in gMS?
Did you know that Meso Mastery was called Greed in kMS?
Did you know that Venom used to stack with itself?
Did you know that Dragon Khanjars used to be extremely cheap?

On another note, does anyone know if [url=http://orangemushroom.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/edge-carnival.gif]CE's animation[/url] is an actual Korean/Japanese character? Already asked my parents, and they didn't recognize it, so it's probably not Chinese.

@rhenXD: The most interesting one so far was that the fat guy has an axe under his arm. Definitely didn't see that before.

[quote=Wagner]did you know that thieves didnt come out the same time as the other classes in beta because of a glitch?
did you know that dits were actually more popular than sins during wizets time?
did you know that no one knows the exact formula for chakra? (which is pointless now since its getting removed soon)
did you know that meso explosion used to kb both directions and can only bl0w up mesos on the side you are facing?
did you also know that meso explosion used to have 100% acc regardless of the monsters avoid and lvl?
did you know that meso guard prebb didnt have the skills duration in the description?
idk if its still true, but in prebb, when you gain an additional thief for bot, the skill % damage drops, and then slowly goes back up until another thief can be summoned.
did you know that the order of thieves for bot to be gained prebb was the girl->fat man->saiyan guy->guy with staff->guy with sword?
idk, theres alot more, but i needa think some more o_o[/quote]
It was girl>Chubby dude>Staff man>Blondie>and samurai dude
[quote=aaronthecow]Uhh I tested steal at empress,it's one of those things thats really hard to measure though.Went with some friends to check it out.
V1 knights: Didn't steal anything
Empress:Very hard tried my best(pig transform+twister+dr) Still nothing
V2:Very annoying stun+seal+darkness+shadow web all at the same time,tried to steal still couldn't pull it off.[/quote]
Ah, okay then. Thanks for the clarification
@Pavchka Thanks for the extra savage blow information. Didn't know about the others
[quote=Laguniroth]
27. Was that all? I never actually M.E.'d Zakum.. But I assumed it was more @_@
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Yeah, I too agree that it seemed to be a lot more, as in in the 50s

You guys sure posted a lot of stuff. Most being pre-bb though xD

Edit:[url=http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/1544/maple0003hj.jpg]Here's the only crit skill with Savage blow[/url]
[url=http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/404/maple0006k.jpg]And here it is with M.E. in the back[/url]

@Laguniroth: That is pure truth, I remember when I was 78, grinding at Pirates, Vikings and MDT, but after 4th job, I remember when I went to skeles and bombed the living hell out of them, 1 or 2 people training at the top 2 platforms while I mobed the bottom and used ME on them was pretty much fun, they were like 14x+ while I was merely like 95 i think.

Also with my F/P, I went to skeles and trained there from level 80 to like....180 ahhaha.

@Drakuaza: Yeah I was too. People got into this mindset now that you *have to* train at a certain spot at a certain level, because that's pretty much how it is post BB.. For every level there is one place that is hands down better EXP than anywhere else.

Pre-BB, with its stupid accuracy and avoid "revamp", the game wasn't like that at all. You could train on any monster you could kill, even if it was a much higher level than you (hence be training on skeles while relatively lower than them) yeah a lot of people went to gobis(at a MUCH lower level than them by the way), and himes, (including me) but those weren't even close to the "only" places to train, especially for us. (as we could survive places other classes couldn't)

@Laguniroth: In my #28 I was talking about the times before 4th job, sorry for not making that clear, those were the palces where one either used ME to level up, or the assaulter+ bot build.

[quote=Drakuaza]Yes to all.

24. Did you knew you can cancel assassinate's last hit with any other skill? BoomerangStep, Assaulter, Savage Blow, Steal and gain invincibility for that attack?
25. Did you knew that Assaulter used to hit once for 450% ignoring all wdef if you were the same level or above the enemy?
26. Did you knew one of the best builds was get 1 sp to assaulter, 18 bot 3 chakra and 6 meso guard by level 80?
27. Did you knew it took about 20m to Kill zakum without 4th job as a CB with ME?
28. Did you knew that our training spots were either, FoG > DT> Himes OR Gobys/Himes?[/quote]

24. That has more to do with the game treating assassinate like 2 attacks.. The first 3 hits as one and the last "crit" hit as another.
25. Yeah, again its kind of sad that the actual way our class used to work (not even 2 years ago) has become "trivia"
Your "26" is subjective. I know I didn't follow that build.. And particularly Pre-BB, the "best" build was entirely dependant on where you happened to be training.
27. Was that all? I never actually M.E.'d Zakum.. But I assumed it was more @_@
Your "28" is False. Pre-BB there were no "only" places to train, even less so for our class, as we could train places other classes couldn't. From 60-100 in particular I trained all over the place. Yeah, I trained at FoG, Hoodoos, himes and gobis.. But there were many other places. And I distinctly remember at one point in 11x trying Skeles..

Yes to all.

24. Did you knew you can cancel assassinate's last hit with any other skill? BoomerangStep, Assaulter, Savage Blow, Steal and gain invincibility for that attack?
25. Did you knew that Assaulter used to hit once for 450% ignoring all wdef if you were the same level or above the enemy?
26. Did you knew one of the best builds was get 1 sp to assaulter, 18 bot 3 chakra and 6 meso guard by level 80?
27. Did you knew it took about 20m to Kill zakum without 4th job as a CB with ME?
28. Did you knew that our training spots were either, FoG > DT> Himes OR Gobys/Himes?

[quote=shanlan]What, I posted it at least 3 times on this forum when people asked. (Granted it was so long ago when Loose still posts here..)
Even if you don't trust me, you can trust the smart people on Southperry: [url=http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=855&page=34&p=442609&viewfull=1#post442609]link[/url]

I think it's just BoT.. people used to save points so they can keep the skill level at 6, 12, 18, 24. (One level before another Theif is summoned)

My understanding is that the skill is made up by 5-6 movements and each character represents the concept or the spirit of that movement. I can only interpret this from Chinese's point of view. Japanese sometimes uses the same characters but have totally different meanings for them..

Tian = Sky, when combine with another word it can mean "extraordinary"
Liu = Flow, circulate, when combine with another word, it can mean a school of thought
Xue = Blood
Zan = Slash
Sha = Kill, it can behave like a war cry where you can release all your energy at once

I still think it would be a very awkward sentence if you combine all these words together (my face twitches a little every time I see someone says "Cut the sky until it bleeds"'). It feels more like a Korean developer thinks these words are cool and decided to glue them together..[/quote]

Don't worry, I trust you... I have strange memory that saves some info and randomly deletes other, most of the time important, info (no joke. I went to see a psychologist for this and she said it's nothing to worry about) and you just triggered the part of my hard drive that still remembers you put up the formula. I guess Shanlan + Chakra + formula did the trick.
I remember the skill saving for BoT (I used to save... or I didn't. Dammit, another thing I can't remember). In my memory old style Savage Blow's "damage percentage" per blow was lowered after every added pair (taktak, taktaktaktak, taktaktaktaktaktak) so the attack's power remained roughly the same as before until it was leveled up in spite of more blows having been added. I just tried to quickly find a chart of the old Savage Blow's build-up, but didn't find it. Meh.

@Xeeric: That's interesting. I'll look into that (You're a language student or you aren't).

@Pavchka

That's called PinYin, it's a Madarin thing, where letters are formed together to make the sound of the word, it's only relatively new being introduced around 80-90 years ago?

1. Yes
2. Yes. It's a teleport move.
3. No
4. Yes
5. Yes, albeit its physical range is too short to be actually useful so it's still "Assuicide" (unless that has recently been changed)
6. No
7. Yes, it was introduced in the Balance Patch. It also hit better below you than above you.
8. Steal items, yeah... but specific items? :S I don't know about Empress.
9. No
10. Yes
11. [url=http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/Touzokuou/SavageBlow.jpg]Yes.[/url] Shanlan is correct. *
12. Yes
13. Yes
14. Yes
15. Yes
16. Apparently it froze the game or D/Ced you

17. did you know that thieves didnt come out the same time as the other classes in beta because of a glitch? [b]Yes[/b]
18. did you know that dits were actually more popular than sins during wizets time? [b]I played during Wizet's times and as far as I know Assassins were more popular than Bandits in Broa.[/b]
19. did you know that no one knows the exact formula for chakra? (which is pointless now since its getting removed soon) [b]Yes[/b]
20. did you know that meso explosion used to kb both directions and can only bl0w up mesos on the side you are facing? [b]Yes[/b]
21. did you also know that meso explosion used to have 100% acc regardless of the monsters avoid and lvl? [b]Yes[/b]
22. did you know that meso guard prebb didnt have the skills duration in the description? [b]Yes. If Hidden-Street displays the current information it still doesn't[/b]
23. idk if its still true, but in prebb, when you gain an additional thief for bot, the skill % damage drops, and then slowly goes back up until another thief can be summoned. [b]Yes, that was true. If memory serves me correctly Savage Blow used to work according to a similar system[/b]
did you know that the order of thieves for bot to be gained prebb was the girl->fat man->saiyan guy->guy with staff->guy with sword? [b]Something like that, yeah[/b]
idk, theres alot more, but i needa think some more o_o

17. Yes
18. Not sure. As far as Savage Blow is concerned it seems that the attack following Savage Blow is iniated after the [i]fourth[/i] hit of Savage Blow, not the sixth (also if the following attack is another Savage Blow). But maybe that's my lag.

did you know that some cbs used to train with ME only? [b]Yes, people informally called it "Gobying"[/b]
did you know that bstep couldnt be casted while in the air prebb (unless you mashed together bstep with jump)? [b]Yes. It's in fact Pre-Balance Patch[/b]
did you know that our haste's sound is different than that of sins? [b]Yes, our Haste makes the same sound as Dagger/Claw Booster[/b]
Did you know there was a "ding" sound after every savage blow? Not sure if there is anymore [b]Yes, it is the so-called "Honk" which is one of the reasons why some people hate Savage Blow's sound. It's still here.[/b]
did you know that if you cast any attacks other than bstep right when shadow partner ends, you repeat that skills animation, but you dont attack anything? <-very annoying when a boss dispells you and then immediately 1/1s you >.> [b]No, never noticed O_O Most of the time I forget to turn Shadow Partner on altogether. I once soloed Pianus and afterwards realised I could have used Shadow Partner[/b]

* over the years I've seen quite some hypothetical translations of Savage Blow, some being:
- Strike the sky until it bleeds KILL
- Cut the skill until blood flows KILL
- Cut the sky til it bleeds KILL (this one seems most common)
- The art of the master is to KILL (no clue where this one came from)

And one person "romanised" the symbols into the following:
[i]tian liu xue zan SHA[/i]
I can't read that language, so I don't know if that's correct.

[quote=Wagner]
i just remembered another some others.
did you know that some cbs used to train with ME only?
did you know that bstep couldnt be casted while in the air prebb (unless you mashed together bstep with jump)?
did you know that our haste's sound is different than that of sins?

EDIT-
did you know that if you cast any attacks other than bstep right when shadow partner ends, you repeat that skills animation, but you dont attack anything? <-very annoying when a boss dispells you and then immediately 1/1s you >.> *cough pianus in kenta cough*[/quote]

Yeah actually, which is why i say the new CB's that are coming after revamp won't really have as big a problem doing this as some of the shads who weren't around back then seem to think.
Yep, it used to not be casted unless you had a "landing" spot (like assaulter) making it absolutely worthless at, say, Zakum.. and I don't believe you could use it while jumping..
I thought they fixed that.. But yeah I did know it used to be different.

The first attack I usually use after buffs is BS.. so i cant say I've noticed this duplicate animation thing. Maybe I will after assassanate becomes useful.. Then again I might quit when I hit 200 so maybe not.

@MrTouchnGo: Yeah, I tend to press the key multiple times if i'm in a rush to use it or something. It ends up using it 2-3 times in a row...

Why the "jajaja"?

EDIT: Did you know there was a "ding" sound after every savage blow? Not sure if there is anymore

Uhh I tested steal at empress,it's one of those things thats really hard to measure though.Went with some friends to check it out.
V1 knights: Didn't steal anything
Empress:Very hard tried my best(pig transform+twister+dr) Still nothing
V2:Very annoying stun+seal+darkness+shadow web all at the same time,tried to steal still couldn't pull it off.

yes, sp is the evil guy who lurks behind you and forces you to repeat that motion again .
and yes, bstep was a skill where it can only be fired on the ground. it actually required alot of skill and timing to get the jump bstep right... (good thing i played alot of mages and archers for practice).

Edit-
oops, forgot to add this
"i see what you did there "

[quote=Wagner]
i just remembered another some others.
did you know that some cbs used to train with ME only?
did you know that bstep couldnt be casted while in the air prebb (unless you mashed together bstep with jump)?
did you know that our haste's sound is different than that of sins?

EDIT-
did you know that if you cast any attacks other than bstep right when shadow partner ends, you repeat that skills animation, but you dont attack anything? <-very annoying when a boss dispells you and then immediately 1/1s you >.> *cough pianus in kenta cough*[/quote]

pft, I was always too poor to do that
yeah
WHAT REALLY? NO WAY. I CALL BS!
yeah, someone already mentioned it, but it was only concerning Assassinate o:
...so Shadow Partner is the culprit behind this >:L

lol...@MrTouchnGo
i just remembered another some others.
did you know that some cbs used to train with ME only?
did you know that bstep couldnt be casted while in the air prebb (unless you mashed together bstep with jump)?
did you know that our haste's sound is different than that of sins?

EDIT-
did you know that if you cast any attacks other than bstep right when shadow partner ends, you repeat that skills animation, but you dont attack anything? <-very annoying when a boss dispells you and then immediately 1/1s you >.> *cough pianus in kenta cough*

[quote=mageshield]Well, I guess it feels faster because you can use it more fluently during a flash jump and it seems like you can use it faster after a different skill like meso explosion or savage blow. However, no, I don't think anyone has actually tested it... The seemingly shorter delay isn't worth calculating.[/quote]

I'll test it sometime then... on top of the no noticeable delay (at least for me) was that it kept double casting even when I hit the key once. So annoying ><
I just took it off macro after that, jajaja.

Well, I guess it feels faster because you can use it more fluently during a flash jump and it seems like you can use it faster after a different skill like meso explosion or savage blow. However, no, I don't think anyone has actually tested it... The seemingly shorter delay isn't worth calculating.

[quote=mageshield]18. Did you know that if you macro Bstep, there is a slightly smaller delay?[/quote]

Has anyone actually timed/tested this? I macroed it, but I didn't notice any significant difference, although I was too lazy to actually run a timed test and count the number of casts, lol. Not that it matters too much to me personally because I don't spam BS very often. xD

17. Did you know that we didn't have flash jump and shadow partner before? -gasp-...
18. Did you know that if you macro Bstep, there is a slightly smaller delay?

Why wouldn't you guys know this

[quote=Wagner]did you know that thieves didnt come out the same time as the other classes in beta because of a glitch?
did you know that dits were actually more popular than sins during wizets time?
did you know that no one knows the exact formula for chakra? (which is pointless now since its getting removed soon)
did you know that meso explosion used to kb both directions and can only bl0w up mesos on the side you are facing?
did you also know that meso explosion used to have 100% acc regardless of the monsters avoid and lvl?
did you know that meso guard prebb didnt have the skills duration in the description?
idk if its still true, but in prebb, when you gain an additional thief for bot, the skill % damage drops, and then slowly goes back up until another thief can be summoned.
did you know that the order of thieves for bot to be gained prebb was the girl->fat man->saiyan guy->guy with staff->guy with sword?
idk, theres alot more, but i needa think some more o_o[/quote]

yes
no, although it makes sense, since sins only exploded with the dexless age
I had some vague idea of this...
Yes
Yes
I don't remember this, but it makes sense, since it had that ridiculous description of "saving up mesos" or something, lol
yup
nope

Kinda makes me sad that I spent so much time as a CB yet I didn't notice all of these things.

did you know that thieves didnt come out the same time as the other classes in beta because of a glitch?
did you know that dits were actually more popular than sins during wizets time?
did you know that no one knows the exact formula for chakra? (which is pointless now since its getting removed soon)
did you know that meso explosion used to kb both directions and can only bl0w up mesos on the side you are facing?
did you also know that meso explosion used to have 100% acc regardless of the monsters avoid and lvl?
did you know that meso guard prebb didnt have the skills duration in the description?
idk if its still true, but in prebb, when you gain an additional thief for bot, the skill % damage drops, and then slowly goes back up until another thief can be summoned.
did you know that the order of thieves for bot to be gained prebb was the girl->fat man->saiyan guy->guy with staff->guy with sword?
idk, theres alot more, but i needa think some more o_o

@rhenXD: well i already believe it. whats her name already uploaded a SS, and ive noticed the same thing so i know what you were talking about now.

[quote=Laguniroth]oh i thought he meant it hits *only* criticals. Yeah i noticed that sometimes itd to a ton more damage.[/quote]

No that's not what I meant. I said to go to the boss "Ani" and Ani has a skill where only criticals will hit and the reg hits will show up as "Miss". Ill upload a ss tomorrow then

[quote=inemnitable][url=http://oi41.tinypic.com/w1e2is.jpg]Proven[/url][/quote]

oh i thought he meant it hits *only* criticals. Yeah i noticed that sometimes itd to a ton more damage.

[quote=Laguniroth]10. Not really sure what you're trying to say here.. If you mean that the skill effect for MG shows mesos, then yeah I did know that.[/quote]
If you look at your meso guard skill icon, you'll see the maple leaf
[quote=aaronthecow]Stealing empress equips..The time and hassle this would save at v2's. Did you actually prove it works?[/quote]
I only did this on event bosses so who knows, probably false I guess.
[quote=inemnitable]8. Pretty sure this is false with respect to bosses.[/quote]
Okay it's false then, my bad.

And about proving that m.e. hits crits, I know it does but I'm lazy to take an ss of it. But you guys can test this out on ani when he does his/her "only crits can hit" skill. You'll see that the spiked damage is the one that shows up.

Stealing empress equips..The time and hassle this would save at v2's. Did you actually prove it works?

1. No, can't say I did. I looked it up on banned story and you're right.
2. Yep, but they don't help much.
3. Yeah, Id heard that but I never saw it proven.
4. Yep. Endure was interesting.
5. Oops.. but yes I did
6. Yarr
7. Yes I did.
8. Never seen that happen.. But then again I did know steal doesnt make a monster drop anything it wouldnt normally drop.
9. Nope I didn't. But then again, assassinate is pretty worthless, so I rarely use it.
10. Not really sure what you're trying to say here.. If you mean that the skill effect for MG shows mesos, then yeah I did know that.
11. Doesn't everyone know this? lol
12. Yep.
13. Since when did pre-bb facts become "now you knows"
14. Read 13 >.>
15. Didn't we cover this with invincibility frames? Eh anyways I usually lag too much to time this right, but I never really had a problem with the CWK JQ.

[quote=MrTouchnGo]8. Steal doesn't work on boss-tagged monsters I thought? :x[/quote]
Hm, you're prob right. I only tested this on event bosses, which was funny as hell watching noobs scramble for the drops xD
[quote=MrTouchnGo]12. Did you know that BoT used to only hit 2 monsters at level 1?
13. Did you know that SB used to be our main training skill for second job, and it only hit 4 (it was 4 right? LOL) times at level 1?
14. Did you know Steal's range used to be that of a normal attack and it used to be a 1v1?
15. Did you know you could use BS to avoid the 50k damage totem in CWK JQ? (RIP CWK JQ, the one JQ that I have learned to love)[/quote]
12. Yep
13. it was 2 from lvl1-9, 4 from 10-19, and 6 from 20-30 lol
14. Gawd it was awful like that
15. Yep, I was so scared the first time I tried

1. No.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. Yes. ENDURE <3
5. Yes.
6. Yes.
7. Yes. TYPHON TRAINING
8. Steal doesn't work on boss-tagged monsters I thought? :x
9. Yes. Annoying as hell at pap... ~_~
10. Nope. Never saw that O_O
11. Yup.

12. Did you know that BoT used to only hit 2 monsters at level 1?
13. Did you know that SB used to be our main training skill for second job, and it only hit 2 at level 1?
14. Did you know Steal's range used to be that of a normal attack and it used to be a 1v1?
15. Did you know you could use BS to avoid the 50k damage totem in CWK JQ? (RIP CWK JQ, the one JQ that I have learned to love)

Well, crap, I suck at this. T-T