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[quote=Bomber321]I thought about that, but it doesn't change the fact FB will always hit things from farther away in any situation, while Final Toss will never do so.
Misleading? yes. Inaccurate? A little.
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I disagree with you but only semantically. I see OS as the limiting factor in the equation, and despite of the excess range of FB, it's pretty simple:
OSFB can't deal its full damage at 210% range, FT can.
FT can't deal any damage at 300% range, OSFB can.

I'm glad you're willing to research and learn, and I hope you continue to keep playing your Aran. They're probably the most deceptively complex class in the game.

As for your question about the [url=http://i.imgur.com/klAiU.png]aran endgame skill dps diagram[/url]:

As most Arans know, if you start to pour lots of funding into your Aran, you hit the damage cap relatively easily. This is because Arans have slower but stronger attacks than most classes. As you increase your range, Final Toss will be the first skill that begins to hit the damage cap 999,999 when it crits. You can see that point in the diagram. Much of FT's dps comes from the speed of the attack and the many opportunities for AFA to proc. Thus, even after you reliably hit the damage cap for FT, if increase your damage range, your DPS will continue to rise due to AFA damage improving (but at a slower rate, hence the shallower slope on the blue line in the diagram).
The same principle applies to OSFB.

Allow me to quote @Mancartia, who answered the very same question as you in another topic:
[quote=Mancartia]FT is a 330ms cast, so you get 3 per second. Then 60% AFA means 4.8 attacks per second. So the most damage FT can do is 4.8 million damage per second. OSFB is 4 attacks in a little more than a second, but 8 hits - so about 10.4 including AFA. Scaled down to hits per second it does around 6, so a max of 6 million damage per second (when they're all 999999).

The damage ranges aren't gonna be representative - you need to judge ingame by which conditions are satisfied. Is your FT doing 999,999 every time? Is AFA also doing 999,999 every time? Then OSFB is better. If AFA is only doing some less amount of damage then FT spam is better. It looks like the switch from FT to OSFB is when double (400%) is always hitting cap but I'm not certain about that.

The reason they improve in the order they do is, FT is around 640%, and hits cap first. Then double/triple around 400/500% hit cap. Then FB at 350. Then AFA at 250. The last hit to reach the cap is your regular attack, which is why OSFB damage just keeps rising, but very slowly.[/quote]

Just note that this is only really applicable to people who fund their Arans to a fairly extreme degree. The great majority of Arans do not reliably hit the damage cap with FT yet and thus they are in the left side of the diagram, where FT remains the best source of DPS.

[quote=phoenix23]Yes, I know that FB's range is much longer than the average length of an Aran's pole. Every Aran knows that.
And I love your argument, "big whoop". Compelling argument. Let me provide an even more compelling counterargument, though. In training, there is no point using OSFB on a monster that is out of OS range but still within FB range. Therefore, the effective range of OSFB is 200%.[/quote]
I thought about that, but it doesn't change the fact FB will always hit things from farther away in any situation, while Final Toss will never do so.

[quote=phoenix23]Finally, I agree that 10% is not a lot, but that doesn't change the fact that whoever says "osfb range is longer than ft" is extremely inaccurate and very misleading. [/quote]
Misleading? yes. Inaccurate? A little.

[quote=phoenix23]I love how you try to argue against me with that link. [B]I CREATED THAT DIAGRAM.[/B]
So yeah, you can trust I've done my homework and I know all about what happens when Arans start hitting damage cap with different skills.[/quote]
I wasn't arguing against you. Read what i said again...i know you made it. I was merely curious why you would put OSFB at a higher DPS rate than Final Toss.

[quote=Bomber321]Sorry that i've asked about this with multiple people who are level 200, and stated how i felt from what i've heard. I swear i'll never believe level 200 arans again!

And by the way...final toss is 210% range, while final blow is 350%. I don't know what your talking about. Triple swing & double swing are 200%. big whoop. You preach something so little in value(10% range difference). And to my knowledge, overswing also hits behind you. You can fight me on that, though.
So let me say something:
1. I'm not an aran.
2. I don't NEED to be an aran to educate myself. It doesn't require you solely to be an aran to know what i'm talking about. Range and numbers for characters are not something that you just "need to experience" to understand maplestory characters and skills, thanks. I can do fine talking to other arans about what they feel.
Also, [url=http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=14509&page=32&highlight=Range+overswing]why would it be that you say OSFB has a higher dps?[/url] Did you account the damage cap?[/quote]

Yes, I know that FB's range is much longer than the average length of an Aran's pole. Every Aran knows that.
And I love your argument, "big whoop". Compelling argument. Let me provide an even more compelling counterargument, though. In training, there is no point using OSFB on a monster that is out of OS range but still within FB range. Therefore, the effective range of OSFB is 200%.

Finally, I agree that 10% is not a lot, but that doesn't change the fact that whoever says "osfb range is longer than ft" is extremely inaccurate and very misleading.

I love how you try to argue against me with that link. [B]I CREATED THAT DIAGRAM.[/B]
So yeah, you can trust I've done my homework and I know all about what happens when Arans start hitting damage cap with different skills.

[quote=phoenix23]I feel really bad for how poorly educated some Arans are.
Fortunately, your Aran is only level 56 (as of your last basilmarket update) and you have plenty of time to learn.

Please consider that you may not really be in a position to form a valid opinion on how 4th job Arans work.

Please consider, also, never giving such terrible advice again.[/quote]

Sorry that i've asked about this with multiple people who are level 200, and stated how i felt from what i've heard. I swear i'll never believe level 200 arans again!

And by the way...final toss is 210% range, while final blow is 350%. I don't know what your talking about. Triple swing & double swing are 200%. big whoop. You preach something so little in value(10% range difference). And to my knowledge, overswing also hits behind you. You can fight me on that, though.
So let me say something:
1. I'm not an aran.
2. I don't NEED to be an aran to educate myself. It doesn't require you solely to be an aran to know what i'm talking about. Range and numbers for characters are not something that you just "need to experience" to understand maplestory characters and skills, thanks. I can do fine talking to other arans about what they feel.
Also, [url=http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=14509&page=32&highlight=Range+overswing]why would it be that you say OSFB has a higher dps?[/url] Did you account the damage cap?

[quote=tkirsch]well final toss is sorta impractical as people could just move away, and osfb has a longer range of distance[/quote]

If you're talking about PVP, sure. PVP is complete garbage, though, and if you're playing an Aran you're kinda screwed no matter what skill you use.

Just one thing, though. [B]FINAL TOSS SPAM HAS A LONGER RANGE THAN ALL 3 SWINGS OF OVERSWING[/B].

[quote=phoenix23]I feel really bad for how poorly educated some Arans are.
Fortunately, your Aran is only level 56 (as of your last basilmarket update) and you have plenty of time to learn.

Please consider that you may not really be in a position to form a valid opinion on how 4th job Arans work.

Please consider, also, never giving such terrible advice again.[/quote]
well final toss is sorta impractical as people could just move away, and osfb has a longer range of distance

[quote=OneHwabi]I feel sorry for those who can't spam FT. Its so much better than OS.[/quote]

You should update your basil pic, 160 is a lot higher than 113

I feel sorry for those who can't spam FT. Its so much better than OS.

Are not they removing pvp on next patch?

[quote=Bomber321]@Sephie: by 4th job, Final toss becomes impractical, especially after skill points are put in judgement.[/quote]

I feel really bad for how poorly educated some Arans are.
Fortunately, your Aran is only level 56 (as of your last basilmarket update) and you have plenty of time to learn.

Please consider that you may not really be in a position to form a valid opinion on how 4th job Arans work.

Please consider, also, never giving such terrible advice again.

@Sephie: by 4th job, Final toss becomes impractical, especially after skill points are put in judgement.
And I definitely don't suggest using Final Toss in PvP, Kari.

Thanks guys. That's the kind of confirmation and math I was looking for < 3

Nah I don't mind at all if people use my format or numbers, as long as it's linked or credited. Thanks for that!

With 0 in FA and 0 in AFA:

Overswing+Final Blow
Time per OSFB (at speed cap): 2.01s
Damage per OSFB: 2945%
Total OSFB Damage per second: 1472.5%

Final Toss
Time per FT (at speed cap): 0.33s
Damage per FT: 640%
Total FT Damage per second: 1939.4%

Though as @SilentXynh said, you kinda need a few points in FA to do your 3rd job advancement.

As I show in the other topic, having max AFA gives FT a benefit of 606% dps over OSFB.
As I show above, having 0 FA and 0 AFA gives FT a benefit of 467% dps over OSFB.

We can extrapolate that anything between 0 FA and max AFA will give something between 467% and 606% dps advantage of FT over OSFB.

I use FT for training now, even though I did OS/AFA at the beginning. Still haven't got FB and I'm level 160. Only downside for FT spam for me is sometimes I go through portals at LHC. Other than that I love it.

@KingKelvin:
FA adds a delay in PvP, which is incredibly annoying.

I'd imagine not having AFA would lower the advantage of FT over OS+FB, but let's see how it goes.
You're losing out on 30 att in 4th job, seems like a big deal to me

If I'm not mistaken, minimum level of FA would be level 7, which is a 14% chance of activating, 115% damage.

Going to use phoenix23's info and format from [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2360232/0/Union_Osfb_vs_Os_vs_Ft__The_Math.html]here[/url], hope he won't mind and yell at me.

Overswing+Final Blow
Time per OSFB (at speed cap): 2.01s
Damage per OSFB: 2945%
Expected FA procs per OSFB: 0.56
Average FA damage per OSFB: 64.4%
Total damage per OSFB: 3009.4%
Total OSFB Damage per second: 1497.21%

Final Toss
Time per FT (at speed cap): 0.33s
Damage per FT: 640%
Expected FA procs per FT: 0.14
Average FA damage per FT: 16.1%
Total damage per FT: 656.1%
Total FT Damage per second: 1988.1818%

I could be wrong here, but FT spam still seems better...