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To AMD, or not to AMD; that is the question.

I would take the time to do a full emulation of the soliloquy but I'm at work so I'll just cut to the chase.

I'm planning to build a rig [i]very[/i] soon. And as such, I'm a tad torn between getting the i7 2600/k or the FX8110 for the CPU.
I'm also a tad torn between the HD6950/70 and the GTX570 (though I feel like I'm leaning heavily towards NVidia atm because of CUDA)

So all-in-all, do you guys think it (realistically) be better to just wait for Bulldozer or should I just get an i7 now for a rig? Purpose for this rig would be for media(mostly video) creation as well as gaming on the side (pre-ordering BF3 once it's available on Steam ).

K, back to waiting tables.

June 11, 2011

20 Comments • Newest first

djpinc19

Got them on sale. The sale price is now the current price. Give it another two years =D

Reply June 13, 2011
skye09

[quote=djpinc19]I have yet to see one of my 1 TB SATA 3 Cav Blacks fail in my RAID 1 array.[/quote]

You didnt happen to get them at same time did you?

Murphys Law...

Reply June 13, 2011
ShiroNoYami

[quote=djpinc19]Approaching year two. In that same computer is a 'ccuda 7200.7 which dates back to 2003.[/quote]
Hm.. maybe.

Samsung's drives look okay as well, though now it's basically Seagate as well

Reply June 13, 2011
djpinc19

Approaching year two. In that same computer is a 'ccuda 7200.7 which dates back to 2003.

Reply June 13, 2011
ShiroNoYami

[quote=djpinc19]I have yet to see one of my 1 TB SATA 3 Cav Blacks fail in my RAID 1 array.[/quote]
But for how long? I have a hard drive from a decade ago that still works

Reply June 13, 2011
djpinc19

I have yet to see one of my 1 TB SATA 3 Cav Blacks fail in my RAID 1 array.

Reply June 13, 2011
ShiroNoYami

[quote=skye09]I know that feeling, and my honest suggestion is a RAID array. It is a bit more costly, but how much is your data worth to you?[/quote]
Yup I was planning on a RAID5 setup, but I still want a reliable hard drive lol :x

Reply June 13, 2011
skye09

[quote=ShiroNoYami]I value my data more than any warranty, since they won't bring back anything I lost ):[/quote]

I know that feeling, and my honest suggestion is a RAID array. It is a bit more costly, but how much is your data worth to you?

Reply June 13, 2011
ShiroNoYami

[quote=djpinc19]...but there's a 5-year warranty attached to WD Cav Blacks.[/quote]
I value my data more than any warranty, since they won't bring back anything I lost ):

Reply June 12, 2011
djpinc19

...but there's a 5-year warranty attached to WD Cav Blacks.

Reply June 12, 2011
ShiroNoYami

[quote=zero2g]How about Western Digital Caviar black?[/quote]
Still loads of complaints once you approach the 1TB mark >_<

Reply June 12, 2011
ShiroNoYami

[quote=djpinc19]Radeon vs GeForce
Intel vs AMD

Hard drives?[/quote]
If only AMD made hard drives.... ):
jk

But ya, I'm also having a bit of trouble deciding on which HDD to get... I want to get Seagate (since all of my Segate externals worked perfectly for years and still do), but go anywhere near 1TB and the failure rate just go nuts according to comments and reviews

The same goes for most makers when going near 1TB... D:

Reply June 12, 2011
skye09

[quote=zero2g]first thing, IB will not be compatiable with LGA 1155 because it's using 3D transistors, [b]a whole new architecture[/b], again... also Intel had never pulled off reusing the same socket with a new release.

Second, AMD was really the one that had innovated a lot from year 2000 to 2003 that had shaped to what the processor market is today, and I believe will do so again with Fusion. I think they were the ones that broke the 1ghz barrier, K6, the first with duo cores, Athlon x2, the first with memory controller AND -64 bit extension, Athlon 64. But I have to give credit to Intel for the better stepping and hyperthreadding. Really all I see in this is AMD thinking of new technology and Intel revising it to make it better, they both benefit each other.[/quote]

I could be wrong about IB being supported by Socket 1155 ( as I stated, my info is dated ), however different transistor technology wont necessarily force IB to a new socket. This would also upset their current trend of new uarch > die shrink, which theyve been doing since the release of their original Core uarch ( or somewhere around there ). Core and Penryn used the same socket, as did Nehalem and Westmere, so it would only make sense really for Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge to follow suit. Ofc, I would expect a required BIOS update, and/or possibly watching for chipset compatibility, but I have yet to see anything really saying that IB wont work on 1155.

Its nice that you are hopeful for AMD to become better, and I do believe you are right about all of their firsts, however, as a realist and a consumer, I cant rely on things like "well they did this 10 years ago".

Another way I see this is, after a quick search for prelim benchmarks, Ive found nothing. Considering Fusion isnt far from being released, one would think AMD would try to release something to keep customers waiting. In their current position, if they had something that could reasonably compete with Intels current offering, would it not make sense to let the world know? People would be more inclined to wait if they had some sort of proof that they [i]should[/i] wait, I think.

Reply June 12, 2011
djpinc19

Radeon vs GeForce
Intel vs AMD

Hard drives?

Reply June 12, 2011
ShiroNoYami

Meh, it's probably just going to be a 2600 for me, then. Now to figure out which hard drive to buy...

Reply June 12, 2011
djpinc19

Ivy Bridge is LGA 1155 and follows the Intel "tick" die-shrink cycle.
AMD claimed at E3 that the public would be in for a surprise. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they fail to recapture dominance in the enthusiast segment again.

Reply June 12, 2011
skye09

I woudnt put TOO much stock into 'dozer just yet. AMDs CPUs seem to disappoint upon every release, and while a completely new uarch may be a game changer, there is no absolute guarantee. From what I remember ( this is back from 2010 mind you ) AMD claimed 'dozer would match current Intels upon release, which would be SB atm. Remember also that if you do wait for 'dozer, IB will be right around the corner as well, with Trinity after, and Haswell after that. I could see 'dozer being faster at certain applications than SB ( similar to how AMD was better with memory bandwidth intensive programs back when Intel was still using the FSB ), but overall, I dont see them making a huge gain over Intel. I agree with Zero about the usefulness of backwards compatibility, though the combination of waiting for 'dozer, the possibility of being disappointed by it, and the support if IB for Socket 1155 make me want to side with Intel.
[quote=zero2g]
Support the competition, or else right now, all we might have would still be Pentium 4 with FSB and duo cores[/quote]
I completely understand this argument and hate it at the same time. I feel it would be a disservice to both the consumer and producer if someone knowingly buys an inferior product. I base this on the fact that if you knowingly do so, you "settle" for less, which shows said producer that someone is willing to settle for something other than the best. I see this the same way I see the car market; I should not be compelled to buy an American car to support the likes of GM if I know they are inferior to foreign cars. If they REALLY wanted my business, they would put forth something more competitive and not make me feel like I need to "settle".

Reply June 12, 2011
ShiroNoYami

[quote=Nuggahhhman]I dont think BF3 is on steam.. since they launched origin [/quote]
The fact that your reply has nothing to do with Bulldozer's release date aside...
They released BFBC2 on Steam when they had their EADM, so I would expect that they would do the same for BF3.

EDIT
I would expect Steam to play a major contribution to their PC sales in the first place anyways.

Reply June 11, 2011 - edited
ShiroNoYami

[quote=djpinc19]I'm waiting on Bulldozer too, but I'm probably going to upgrade during fall because I have no pressing need for new technology.[/quote]
According to [url=http://ontechnow.com/hardware/amd-bulldozer-cpus-too-slow-to-compete-with-core-i7-chips.html]this[/url] Bulldozer might not ship until possibly Christmastime. I'm not sure if it's just worth it to wait that long lol.

Reply June 11, 2011 - edited
djpinc19

I'm waiting on Bulldozer too, but I'm probably going to upgrade during fall because I have no pressing need for new technology.

Reply June 11, 2011 - edited