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Thanks, by the time I'll go to the ToT I'll have ST so it's fine

If I estimate my skill usage at ToT for at least an hour it would be something like:

[b]35% Corkscrew Blow/Backspin Blow[/b] [i]for movement and invulnerability[/i]
[b]25% Energy Blast[/b] [i]for attacking[/i]
[b]20% Dragon Strike[/b] [i]for luring/alerting widespread mobs[/i]
[b]10% Energy Orb[/b] [i]for finishing and platform change[/i]
[b]7% Snatch[/b] [i]for an opening/finishing attack[/i]
[b]3% other (Energy Drain, Flash Fist, Double Uppercut)[/b] [i]for any singular left overs[/i]

You'll have a slight disadvantage against those that have a stronger Dragon Strike but since the primary skill is Energy Blast, you should be fine where ever you train. But in ToT, it's more beneficial to have ST before EO.

Yes I think that is how I'll train at LHC, mostly Blast and EO for mobs that aren't stacked together

It's too early to be using Blast at 71, but you can continue with EO. If you're training in LHC then it's not really going to be all that slow; you'll just have Blast for nearby mobs and Orb for distant mobs, simple.

Sucks to train with blast, did that since level 71

Then how would I train? at max Energy Orb is better for training then level 10 DS or level 30 Demolition, and as I said before I find getting the Charge easy and fast..

As for ST before EO, that maybe would have been better, but I want EO to attack 6 monsters ASAP

[quote=shuki44]It is around 150M~ in Broa, I can't afford that, and what is the point in taking Dragon Strike now after I already put 22 points into Energy Orb..[/quote]

DS has no limitations and on equal number of mobs, I beleive DS is stronger(Unless the amount of mobs is 3 or less). Just don't worry about it, it's YOUR Bucc anyway and if you wanted to 'fix' your build, you can easily do so by 160ish. And even then, it's fine as it is, you just followed a heavy cookie-cutter build which is perfectly acceptable.

It is around 150M~ in Broa, I can't afford that, and what is the point in taking Dragon Strike now after I already put 22 points into Energy Orb..

Yea that is true, I will max ST right after EO, getting Charge isn't hard for me, and I want EO to attack 6 already..

[quote=shuki44]I have now 90m and even if I had 120~150 I wouldn't want to spend all my money on a book that could fail.

And why would ST before Energy Orb be better? except Papulatus I don't use Demolition, but Energy Orb helps with my training and quests (that I like to do) more...

I use ST just for the Haste, and if I use Transformation and Super Transformation together I can be with Haste all but for 10 seconds which is nice..

My Energy Orb is 19 now and I don't regret it, I really like it, it's like Chain Lightning, only stronger and hits more monsters (but no Lightning element), if it's good enough for Ice/Lightning Arch Mages it's good enough for me..[/quote]
ST Strengthens your EO as well as every other skill you have. Raising EO only strengthens your EO and there's a downtime to it too so you can't always use it as freely as I/L AM's do.

So that's just like saying you're putting SP into a skill you can't use a third of the time.

I have now 90m and even if I had 120~150 I wouldn't want to spend all my money on a book that could fail.

And why would ST before Energy Orb be better? except Papulatus I don't use Demolition, but Energy Orb helps with my training and quests (that I like to do) more...

I use ST just for the Haste, and if I use Transformation and Super Transformation together I can be with Haste all but for 10 seconds which is nice..

My Energy Orb is 19 now and I don't regret it, I really like it, it's like Chain Lightning, only stronger and hits more monsters (but no Lightning element), if it's good enough for Ice/Lightning Arch Mages it's good enough for me..

nope?

Energy Orb level 19 and passed 30 already, after that takes ST..

Thank you everyone, I will max Super Transformation, and will follow it with Energy Orb.

I don't think I'll have money for Dragon Strike 20 before I'll have Demo and Orb maxed, and the only bossing I do is Papulatus

I don't know how much the mystery books have changed prices by but EO was also pretty expensive when I bought it. If you can't max EO, then don't bother with it because it doesn't hit 5 monsters until level 21 and even then, you'd rather use DS on 4 instead of Orb on 5 because you'll have left over mobs with EO anyway.

But you seem to not mind training at a normal rate so it should be fine should you want to get it.

@shuki44 The EO build would be for someone who is PURELY grinding and who can probably not afford DS20 for a VERY long time. If you plan to mix training and bossing to any degree, ST would be better followed by Demo. Demo isn't going to help you while training. EO at max(If you can find the books) will help training more, but if you can afford DS20 after max ST(20 SP) or even after Demo(30 SP), then go with ST first then Demo, and add DS when you can afford it.

An EO build is a last resort for a poor, pure grinder. And I mean PURE grinding. If you ever boss then ST is going to be a LOT more beneficial and a better choice than EO, same for Demo.

I'd get ST.

I know it is faster, I just don't like the area, and I like getting drops from monsters..

Tricks, your guide for training buccaneers who can't afford DS 20 says to get ST and then EO, but you also say there that you do not recommend it, that's why I wonder if I should go with EO or Demo, can I effectively train with EO, or is DS 10 and Demo better?

Why don't you train at LHC...?

Its like 10 times faster than ToT (literally)

@shuki44 Your training build doesn't differ depending on location. Only depending on if you can/cannot afford DS20, want to boss early or want to boss late. All of which the guide covers. Training at ToT is going to be a lot slower than you think compared to LHC and in all honesty, the builds for the two don't differ at all since both of them are orientated towards mobbing builds, with LHC being somewhat more friendly to single target builds than ToT. That's really the only difference.

Tricks I saw your guide and I use it since level 52 and it helped me alot, I'm just asking what would be better for me to take now considering I want to train in the Temple of Time.

Meng , what do you think I should follow it with?

What use is a sticky'd guide if nobody reads it >_>?