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[quote=iEvanMaster]@Tigerzeps: It's your noncritical damage. Notice the 1.675 which is your critical damage multiplier is multiplied by the 0.85.

And yeah, the math shows that increasing crit rate when you already have a decent amount to not be worth sacrificing %stat for... however I'm OCD and like having the 100% crit anyway for stable damage, so you don't see like 20m's and then out of nowhere a 10m line.[/quote]

Ohh.. right I see it now..:3 thanks

@Tigerzeps: It's your noncritical damage. Notice the 1.675 which is your critical damage multiplier is multiplied by the 0.85.

And yeah, the math shows that increasing crit rate when you already have a decent amount to not be worth sacrificing %stat for... however I'm OCD and like having the 100% crit anyway for stable damage, so you don't see like 20m's and then out of nowhere a 10m line.

[quote=iEvanMaster]Close, but doing the exact math yields slightly different numbers than those estimates. And I think his 65% min crit damage is already factoring the 5% min crit damage from the ring already.

I got: (1.6+1.75 / 2) = 1.675
(1.675 * 0.85) = 1.42375 + 0.15 = 1.57375 (Final Critical multiplier without crit ring.)

With crit ring:
1.65 + 1.75 / 2 = 1.7 (Final crit multiplier with crit ring)

1.7 / 1.57375 = Approximately 1.08, or 8%.

The rest I agree with, though.

@Tigerzeps We need to know how much %luk you currently have to answer your question. You can also find the answer yourself, just plug in some numbers using Axnslicer's formula, but instead of 0.06, use 0.08.[/quote]

Thanks for the help guys! Helped me a lot.

I do wanna know what the added 0.15 is for?

I want to add that my crit without the ring is 90% making it even lower than an 8% increase.. and eventually I'll lvl my phantom for another 5% making it 95% so I guess the ring is kind of pointless

[quote=Axnslicer]Ignore the 5% min crit and stats, the effects are relatively minor.

Your baseline is (0.85)*(0.70) = 6 = roughly 60% bonus crit damage, compared to your 0% crit damage. AKA, you gain 60% more dps from having your 85% crit rate.

The crit ring is 15% extra chance of bonus 70% ish damage. Therefore approximately (0.15)*(0.70) = 0.105 = 10% ish increase.

Therefore your relative increase in dps is 170/160 = 1.06 => 6% more relative dps from wearing the crit ring.

You can figure out how much % luk gives you 6% more dps. For example, if you had 100% luk, you would have a baseline of 100+100 = 200% luk and would therefore need around 200*0.06 = 12% luk to match the crit ring. Maybe 14-15% after adding in the stat and min crit effects.[/quote]

Close, but doing the exact math yields slightly different numbers than those estimates. And I think his 65% min crit damage is already factoring the 5% min crit damage from the ring already.

I got: (1.6+1.75 / 2) = 1.675
(1.675 * 0.85) = 1.42375 + 0.15 = 1.57375 (Final Critical multiplier without crit ring.)

With crit ring:
1.65 + 1.75 / 2 = 1.7 (Final crit multiplier with crit ring)

1.7 / 1.57375 = Approximately 1.08, or 8%.

The rest I agree with, though.

@Tigerzeps We need to know how much %luk you currently have to answer your question. You can also find the answer yourself, just plug in some numbers using Axnslicer's formula, but instead of 0.06, use 0.08.

[quote=Tigerzeps]At what % luk does a Cracked Gollux Ring beat a Pivotal Adventure Ring if the ring makes me go 100% crit chance? 65% min and 75% max crit.

~Thanks[/quote]

Ignore the 5% min crit and stats, the effects are relatively minor.

Your baseline is (0.85)*(0.70) = 6 = roughly 60% bonus crit damage, compared to your 0% crit damage. AKA, you gain 60% more dps from having your 85% crit rate.

The crit ring is 15% extra chance of bonus 70% ish damage. Therefore approximately (0.15)*(0.70) = 0.105 = 10% ish increase.

Therefore your relative increase in dps is 170/160 = 1.06 => 6% more relative dps from wearing the crit ring.

You can figure out how much % luk gives you 6% more dps. For example, if you had 100% luk, you would have a baseline of 100+100 = 200% luk and would therefore need around 200*0.06 = 12% luk to match the crit ring. Maybe 14-15% after adding in the stat and min crit effects.

That's a lot of math that no one is willing to do...
I would keep the crit ring if you can't 100% crit without it though...