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Router changing help

Hi I'm a noob at this tech stuff, anyways, I'm ditching my ISP's router this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ACTIONTEC-V1000H-WIRELESS-N-VDSL-MODEM-ROUTER-FOR-TELUS-NEW-W-OUT-ACCESSORIES-/291423553920
for this: http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/tp-link-tp-link-archer-c9-wireless-dual-band-gigabit-router-ac1900-archer-c9/10368877.aspx?path=6105da629cee87824330c1e8181ff654en02

Since I'm completely new to this, I don't know if I'll have to do any additional stuff. My current router functions as both a router and modem, I don't know if my new one is though. (how can I tell?). (Or is it the other way around lol... my modem functions as both a modem and router).
And no, I don't currently own a modem.
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So the main question is:
Can I just completely replace my old router with the new one?
If the answer is no; will I have to bridge the old router (which I just learned what that even means/ how to do it haha). Also after the bridging process, I assume I just need to connect the Ethernet slots between the two routers?

Thanks in advance! If you can answer all the questions I had here (how to tell if a router functions as both modem and router, as well as the main two questions), that would be greatly appreciated!

August 21, 2015

9 Comments • Newest first

BobR

[quote=trumanb]Thankyou . Sorry I have a few questions now that you solved those other ones .
-I took I look at this guys video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSZ_C4UJGv4 After putting it on bridge mode, do I still need to disable the firewall and network address stuff you mentioned (boy, it seems like it's a lot of work o_o)
-Also, about the dual band thing, lets say my sister was downloading on the 2.4gHz band and I was gaming on the 5gHz band (I'm also assuming it works simultaneously), will it affect me?[/quote]

Good job finding how to get into the administrative mode in your router. They hide that kind of thing from the typical user which is why it doesn't show up in the Users Manual.
You should still probably go through and shut those other things off, just to be sure it's not going to conflict with your new router once it's installed, as insurance.

In particular you have to make sure the WiFi radio is shut off so it doesn't conflict with the new router: (Kind of like putting a phone into "Airplane mode".)
Go into --> Manual Setup --> Wireless Setup --> 1. Set the wireless radio state --> Disable --> Click "Apply".
This may grey out the other options on the page, the user manual doesn't say. But anyway this should prevent the router's WiFi from broadcasting anything or interfering with the signal from the new router.

Then go back to the Manual Setup page and click the "Advanced Setup" icon at the top.

Then do these things from the Advanced Setup page:

Advanced Setup menu (on the left of the Advanced Setup page) --> LAN IP and DHCP Settings --> (Middle of the page) 1. Set the DHCP Server state --> Disable.-->Click "Apply".
Advanced Setup menu --> Firewall --> 2. Set your Firewall Security Level --> NAT Only --> Click "Apply".
Advanced Setup menu --> NAT --> 1. Set the NAT state --> Disable --> Click "Apply".

Possibly setting Bridge mode may already do these things for you, but it's important to check that they're disabled already, or disable them manually.

The other thing, about the dual-channel... a lot of it depends on the features in the dual-band router.
IF you can select which channel a specific user is assigned, then you could set it so your computer always uses the 5Ghz band.
You could then set it so your sister's computer uses the 2.4Ghz band which of the two is more likely to suffer radio interference from things like microwave ovens, portable phones or bluetooth devices.
I haven't looked at the new router's User Manual to see what the features are, but there should be a setup program that takes you through the features and how to set them.

In any case, the limiting factor on your overall Internet speed is still the speed that's coming into your house from your ISP, not anything really to do with the router (or anything else once the signal gets into your house).
It's like being at school and drinking out of the drinking fountain when everyone flushes the toilets at once... you end up with a dribble in the fountain because everyone is sharing the same water pressure coming into the building. Once the toilets stop, the pressure all goes to the fountain again and it sprays up full blast. The way to fix that problem is to pay the water department for a bigger pipe coming into the building that can deliver more water at the same time.

When your sister goes online, whatever she's doing takes part of the "pressure" (speed) from the signal coming in from the ISP. When she stops using it, the speed goes back up because now you get the full pressure again. The way to solve that is to pay the ISP for a "bigger pipe" (faster service) that can deliver more data at the same time.

The thing about dual-channel is like having two different pipes going to the water fountain in case one pipe gets clogged so there'll always be a source of water for the fountain.
That doesn't address the loss of pressure when someone flushes a toilet though, because everything still shares the same pipe coming into the building.

Reply August 23, 2015
TrumanB

[quote=bobr]@trumanb You won't get "more speed" from a different router. That's controlled by the service level you pay for from your ISP.
The WiFi only contributes to speed problems if you have a -terrible- WiFi connection (like 1 or 2 "bars" on the signal strength display, or one that changes all the time).
If your family is downloading over the same Internet connection you're using, it's going to slow down when they use it unless you buy a faster service from the ISP no matter what router you're using.
The 25 Mb/s service you mentioned (assuming that's what the 25 means) would help, but it's doubtful it would completely eliminate the effect of other users downloading on the same connection. It would at least help shorten how long their downloads will impact your Internet use.

Dual-band -might- give you a more reliable signal when using the microwave because it can work on a different radio frequency band than the microwave does.
You might also be able to mitigate the problem with your current router by trying different channels on the WiFi, or by re-orienting the router and computer WiFi antennas or re-orienting the microwave. That's not likely to help, but it's easy and worth a try.

I took a look at the User Manual for your old modem/router and there's no easy single setting to disable the router function and just use the ADSL modem by itself.
You'd have to go through all the settings and manually disable whatever router functions you can. You'd have to disable the DHCP Server, the Firewall and Network Address Translation.
You'd also have to disable the WiFi transmitter so it doesn't conflict with the new router's WiFi.

As for the new router, there should be very minimal setup needed to get it running. I didn't look at it's User Manual, but most consumer level routers have some kind of "Quick Setup" built in that should step you through whatever is needed. Most particularly you'll have to set the WiFi settings and enter a WiFi security password to protect it from your neighbors leeching your Internet.

The wiring setup would plug an Ethernet cable into any of the 4 LAN jacks on the old modem/router and plug the other end into the WAN jack on the new router.[/quote]

Thankyou . Sorry I have a few more questions now that you clarified those other ones .
-I took a look at this guy's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSZ_C4UJGv4 Which shows me how to bridge the router, so after putting it on bridge mode, do I still need to disable the firewall and network address stuff you mentioned? (boy, it seems like it's a lot of work o_o)
-Also, about the dual band thing, lets say my sister was downloading on the 2.4gHz band and I was gaming on the 5gHz band (I'm also assuming it works simultaneously), will it affect me?

Reply August 22, 2015 - edited
BobR

@trumanb You won't get "more speed" from a different router. That's controlled by the service level you pay for from your ISP.
The WiFi only contributes to speed problems if you have a -terrible- WiFi connection (like 1 or 2 "bars" on the signal strength display, or one that changes all the time).
If your family is downloading over the same Internet connection you're using, it's going to slow down when they use it unless you buy a faster service from the ISP no matter what router you're using.
The 25 Mb/s service you mentioned (assuming that's what the 25 means) would help, but it's doubtful it would completely eliminate the effect of other users downloading on the same connection. It would at least help shorten how long their downloads will impact your Internet use.

Dual-band -might- give you a more reliable signal when using the microwave because it can work on a different radio frequency band than the microwave does.
You might also be able to mitigate the problem with your current router by trying different channels on the WiFi, or by re-orienting the router and computer WiFi antennas or re-orienting the microwave. That's not likely to help, but it's easy and worth a try.

I took a look at the User Manual for your old modem/router and there's no easy single setting to disable the router function and just use the ADSL modem by itself.
You'd have to go through all the settings and manually disable whatever router functions you can. You'd have to disable the DHCP Server, the Firewall and Network Address Translation.
You'd also have to disable the WiFi transmitter so it doesn't conflict with the new router's WiFi.

As for the new router, there should be very minimal setup needed to get it running. I didn't look at it's User Manual, but most consumer level routers have some kind of "Quick Setup" built in that should step you through whatever is needed. Most particularly you'll have to set the WiFi settings and enter a WiFi security password to protect it from your neighbors leeching your Internet.

The wiring setup would plug an Ethernet cable into any of the 4 LAN jacks on the old modem/router and plug the other end into the WAN jack on the new router.

Reply August 22, 2015 - edited
TrumanB

@Psikoxd the package is called Internet 15 I might upgrade to 25 because normally I exceed my data anyways; so might as well upgrade to that= more data/ speed for the same price. Nope, the internet goes down when I use the microwave though lol.
@burning Thanks .
@holydragon , @happy3happy lol I'm changing it to dual band, that way I don't have to worry about when my family is downloading or when they turn on the microwave (which disturbs my wifi), and apparently my new one will be able to give me a better signal/ speed anyways. Not to mention if I'm upgrading my current router to my ISP's dual band router, it will cost $100 or something, so I might as well buy one that I can trust.

Reply August 21, 2015 - edited
HolyDragon

Why are you changing routers? That Telus router was good enough when I used it.

Reply August 21, 2015 - edited
Burning

[quote=trumanb]Since I'm completely new to this, I don't know if I'll have to do any additional stuff. My current router functions as both a router and modem, I don't know if my new one is though. (how can I tell?). (Or is it the other way around lol... my modem functions as both a modem and router).[/quote]

The product description and specifications tell you. The TP-LINK Archer C9 is a router and Wi-Fi access point only. It is not a modem.

[quote=trumanb]Can I just completely replace my old router with the new one?
If the answer is no; will I have to bridge the old router (which I just learned what that even means/ how to do it haha). Also after the bridging process, I assume I just need to connect the Ethernet slots between the two routers? [/quote]

If you are staying with your current ISP, the answer is no. You can disable the routing functions of the Actiontec combo unit so that it effectively becomes modem-only. From there, you can bridge the router to the modem.

If you are changing ISP, then it depends. You'll need a new modem, but you can now ignore the modem+router combo units if you have your own wi-fi router.

Reply August 21, 2015 - edited
PsikoXD

What kind of internet do you have?
Like what technology do you use.
Does the internet go down once you pick up the phone ?
Do you use the phone interface on the old router ?

Reply August 21, 2015 - edited