Aee booms weapon on first try
So I got an AEE and it said that its a success the first time. So I used it on my Lapis Lazuli and it broke the swords on the first try! The weapon was star forced. Does star force even count as a success? >.<
March 23, 2015
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[quote=Axnslicer]And that 10 star Tyrant boot you exploded should really be counted into your loss calculations. Star force looks a great deal more profitable when you freely ignore your losses. Also, you were stupidly lucky, the math says you should have lost all your Tyrants several times on the way to 10 stars.[/quote]
That would be in my calculation if I was calculating it for the 11th star, but I;m only talking up to 10 and it was fine going up to 10. But let's assume it's "in" my losses
boots = 6b in my world. lost 6b from starforce.
2nd pair of boots = 6b + 4.9b from starforce
total money spent on 10 star boots 23b.
What I would spend via aee
6b boots + 1aee + minimum 6 superior prots to get to 7th star + 6 more aee for the scrolling + 3 no boom aee + guardian scroll
No booms are 5b each in my world so that's 15b + 6b boots is already 21b. The NX cost of 6 superior prots if not more since aee isn't 100% would mean I'd spend more than 23b on the same pair of boots, so no, it was still more profitable for me to starforce than to no boom + guardian. Maybe if I was in a duping world where no booms are 1-2b, your method would be better, but in mine no boom cost a lot.
[quote=nhan1st]I got all 4 of my tyrants to 10 stars via starforce in under 6b.
cape 600m started at 5 star
shoes 6b, started at 2 stars
belt 2.3b started at 3 stars
second shoe 4.9b started at 0 stars.
I only blew my first pair of shoes because I wanted to try to get to 11th star via starforce.[/quote]
And that 10 star Tyrant boot you exploded should really be counted into your loss calculations. Star force looks a great deal more profitable when you freely ignore your losses. Also, you were stupidly lucky, the math says you should have lost all your Tyrants several times on the way to 10 stars.
[quote=LittleTLK]
Who bothers scrolling tyrants? throw on a random chaos or 70% traces.
And yes, I've "done this", miss hoity toity.
Scrolling tyrants isn't a hard thing. They have 2 slots. Wasting your time getting a couple stats on it isn't worth it compared to the mountains of stats from enhancements.
And if you boom your precious starforced cape that for some reason you spent tons of time scrolling, not only have you spent tons of mesos enhancing it, but now you have to get a clean one, too. It's more expensive to do it your way than to get the first 5 or so stars from regular AEEs.[/quote]
While the scrolled stats aren't much compared to the enhancements, you wouldn't really want to have a badly scrolled tyrant if it has godly potential and high amount of stars. Cost me 500m for my cape and 1.2b for my shoes to get to 5 star with star force. I doubt you'd pass all 5 aee's on the first try. Superior shielding wards aren't worth it on a cape, star force is cheaper.
@AshleyAttacked:
Who bothers scrolling tyrants? throw on a random chaos or 70% traces.
And yes, I've "done this", miss hoity toity.
Scrolling tyrants isn't a hard thing. They have 2 slots. Wasting your time getting a couple stats on it isn't worth it compared to the mountains of stats from enhancements.
And if you boom your precious starforced cape that for some reason you spent tons of time scrolling, not only have you spent tons of mesos enhancing it, but now you have to get a clean one, too. It's more expensive to do it your way than to get the first 5 or so stars from regular AEEs.
Aee should never be used on tyrants past the second star as boom rates are too high, and anything past the 7th star should be used with no boom aee if you want to play it safe.
[quote=LittleTLK]That's only relevant if you have a cape from before starforce.
If you're making a new tyrant cape, just toss AEEs at it until you make a 5~6* one, then starforce/superior ward it. After you get it to what you're satisfied with, THEN cube it.
There's absolutely no sense in cubing tyrants before enhancing them post-starforce.[/quote]
In order to enhance it you need to be done scrolling it. If you boom it with starforce you don't have to start scrolling the tyrant from the beginning...but you do if you boomed it with an aee. That's why it makes sense to starforce instead of aee.
I'm guessing you've never done this...
@nhan1st: YES.
Don't believe any word I say.
Please.
Right now.
@nhan1st:
You're really lucky. I've had guild and alliance friends drop more than that on starforcing tyrants and never made it past 6 stars.
[quote=LittleTLK]What you've said seems to be the exact opposite of sense.
AEEs are worthless EXCEPT for superior items (nova and Tyrant).
Otherwise, starforce is far better.
Why would you want to waste AEEs on your equips when 1->5 stars in starforce will rarely run you more than 2m?
@nhan1st:
That's also pretty backwards. If tyrant capes are cheap to replace, why would you starforce the first 8 slots? Each slot is 55m and it's an atrocious rate. It's cheaper to just throw aees at tyrant capes til 5~6 stars than starforcing it.[/quote]
I got all 4 of my tyrants to 10 stars via starforce in under 6b.
cape 600m started at 5 star
shoes 6b, started at 2 stars
belt 2.3b started at 3 stars
second shoe 4.9b started at 0 stars.
I only blew my first pair of shoes because I wanted to try to get to 11th star via starforce.
[quote=09080706l]No. You'll never get it back.[/quote]
Nexon would likely apologize, but it's a long shot
[quote=AshleyAttacked]If you boom a tyrant cape with starforce you get a spell trace that lets you save everything about your cape and transpose it on a new clean one. If you boom it with an aee you have nothing and have to start over at the beginning with cubing, scrolling, etc.[/quote]
That's only relevant if you have a cape from before starforce.
If you're making a new tyrant cape, just toss AEEs at it until you make a 5~6* one, then starforce/superior ward it. After you get it to what you're satisfied with, THEN cube it.
There's absolutely no sense in cubing tyrants before enhancing them post-starforce.
[quote=Uberus]Oh. Do you still think I could get my weapon back due to the misunderstanding of how star force and AEEs work?[/quote]
No. You'll never get it back.
[quote=LittleTLK]What you've said seems to be the exact opposite of sense.
AEEs are worthless EXCEPT for superior items (nova and Tyrant).
Otherwise, starforce is far better.
Why would you want to waste AEEs on your equips when 1->5 stars in starforce will rarely run you more than 2m?
@nhan1st:
That's also pretty backwards. If tyrant capes are cheap to replace, why would you starforce the first 8 slots? Each slot is 55m and it's an atrocious rate. It's cheaper to just throw aees at tyrant capes til 5~6 stars than starforcing it.[/quote]
If you boom a tyrant cape with starforce you get a spell trace that lets you save everything about your cape and transpose it on a new clean one. If you boom it with an aee you have nothing and have to start over at the beginning with cubing, scrolling, etc.
[quote=natty2]Star force and AEE are the same thing.
Basicly you're better off with AEE until the 5th star I think.
That's when you would rather move to star force.
Unless it's tyrant, in that case always AEE until like, 7th.[/quote]
What you've said seems to be the exact opposite of sense.
AEEs are worthless EXCEPT for superior items (nova and Tyrant).
Otherwise, starforce is far better.
Why would you want to waste AEEs on your equips when 1->5 stars in starforce will rarely run you more than 2m?
@nhan1st:
That's also pretty backwards. If tyrant capes are cheap to replace, why would you starforce the first 8 slots? Each slot is 55m and it's an atrocious rate. It's cheaper to just throw aees at tyrant capes til 5~6 stars than starforcing it.
Unless you're doing tyrants, just use starforce all the way to 15 stars. I boomed my weapon only once on the way to 15 stars while using starforce for every single attempt.
[quote=natty2]Star force and AEE are the same thing.
Basicly you're better off with AEE until the 5th star I think.
That's when you would rather move to star force.
Unless it's tyrant, in that case always AEE until like, 7th.[/quote]
i would personally starforce a tyrant cape to 8+ stars before aee because capes are cheap to replace.
Oh. Do you still think I could get my weapon back due to the misunderstanding of how star force and AEEs work?
Star force = stars. AEE's = stars. They go by the same foundation and use the same rates, so whatever star you were at the AEE uses that as it's table to succeed or boom.
Star force and AEE are the same thing.
Basicly you're better off with AEE until the 5th star I think.
That's when you would rather move to star force.
Unless it's tyrant, in that case always AEE until like, 7th.
[quote=Uberus]I thought star force had nothing to do with AEEs.[/quote]
You thought wrong
I thought star force had nothing to do with AEEs.
People have been making this error since AEEs were released.
AEE's function the same way as Star force. The higher the enhancement count, the AEE's success rate will decrease.
Yes the AEE is basically the same as star force, if you have 12+stars then you're going to instantly blow it up due to the slim chance i think it was 5% success and 100% boom.
Yes, star force counts.
First try = 1st star 100% success. So you have to have had 0 stars.