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Because I'm not a sucker.

I bet you celebrate Halloween without being Satanist.

Just because you don't make it to church doesn't mean you don't believe in God or Jesus. It simply means you're not a good follower of that particular organized religion's rules. You can still be a Christian and skip the occasional mass or two, at least in my opinion. Heck, last time I went for confession, and I mentioned my lack of regular attendance, and the priest pretty much brushed it off like it was no big deal.

Christmas is more cultural than religious.

[quote=errorreport]Christmas doesn't have to be about religion. It is about spending time with your family and getting into the holiday spirit. Sure it may have started as a religious Holiday but things modernize and so do Holidays. Christmas is about giving and being kind spirited. Sorry you seem to be in a grouchy mood.[/quote]

I agree with this lovely person.

[quote=crimpz]yeah because an ignorant person would be able to go to space right? wrong, you illiterate moron. I learned this information through countless resources, one of them being school, another being the bible, another being parents. Where did you get yours? wikipedia?
you call me ignorant and yet in 10-15 years you're going to be going through a premenstrual cycle because ur in debt and have no job, nor education because u spent all ur time on Maplestory, spending hundreds on NX just for a game thats going to close down in 5 years.[/quote]

FYI: Wikipedia is MUCH more reliable than parents, sunday school and the Bible. The space thing is just an expression, which you obviously can not comprehend. As for the job thing, you're just flaming there.
For the Maplestory thing, look who's talking: the 160 Evan.

[quote=hoopla123]Funny how the people who made the holiday actually had something to do with Christ making Christmas the holiday it is.[/quote]

The actual origins of the holiday was in fact first introduced by Roman Pagans. It was called Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25.

[quote=hoopla123]Or Athiests are just dumbasses who can't accept the fact that they are celebrating a Christian holiday. Seriously, CHRISTmas and CHRISTianity. Think logically with that crap brain of yours.[/quote]

Funny how the Holiday has nothing to do with Christ.

[quote=hoopla123]I was talking about athiests being hypocrites smartass. Not Agnostic people.[/quote]

Hypocrite Christians think they own every holiday. Celebrating the winter solstice came before Christmas. Sorry your super Christian ears have to hear that.

[quote=hoopla123]It proves athiests are hypocrites too.
[b]Christ[/b]mas. If you hate Christianity so much, why go celeberate Christmas?[/quote]

Christmas was created after the pagan holiday that was created to celebrate winter solstice. Also not everyone is Atheist, I'm guessing you don't know what the word Agnostic means right?

It's because christmas has become a commercialized holiday transformed from religion to the spirit of giving and family. I'm athiest. My uncles athiest. We all celebrate christmas.
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[quote=Fate]You are wrong. Misinformed. Blinded. Christmas was the day that the [b]sun[/b] of God was born. They were literally talking about the sun. This is because on December 22nd the sun reaches it's lowest point in the sky and sits at that point for three days. On December 25nd, it starts making it's way higher into the sky as the days pass. Basically, the sun dies, sits there for three days, and is reborn. Oh, and when the sun is at it's lowest point for three days it's linear to the constellation "Crux" which is shaped like a cross. The [b]SUN[/b] of God died(reached it's lowest point) on a cross(Crux) for thee days and was reborn(made it's way back up into the sky foreshadowing longer days, warmer weather, and better crop growth). End of story.[/quote]

I'm not even religious and I knew that.

[quote=usuklolxp]@poeticdemise

But, I hope you know that christmas was the day jesus was born right?
I'm just saying it's unfair cuhz i have to go to masses every sunday [/quote]

You are wrong. Misinformed. Blinded. Christmas was the day that the [b]sun[/b] of God was born. They were literally talking about the sun. This is because on December 22nd the sun reaches it's lowest point in the sky and sits at that point for three days. On December 25nd, it starts making it's way higher into the sky as the days pass. Basically, the sun dies, sits there for three days, and is reborn. Oh, and when the sun is at it's lowest point for three days it's linear to the constellation "Crux" which is shaped like a cross. The [b]SUN[/b] of God died(reached it's lowest point) on a cross(Crux) for thee days and was reborn(made it's way back up into the sky foreshadowing longer days, warmer weather, and better crop growth). End of story.

You guys believe it was the day he was born, we believe in having fun, partying, drinking, waking up with a hangover and sleep in more, getting presents etc etc etc

[quote=NotKelly]christmas really isn't about jesus anymore. it's about prezzeeents[/quote]

THIS PERSON SPEAKS THE TRUTH. I go to my forum now.

[quote=usuklolxp]@poeticdemise

But, I hope you know that christmas was the day jesus was born right?
I'm just saying it's unfair cuhz i have to go to masses every sunday [/quote]

You don't have to go to the masses.

It's funny because the people who say "MOVE ON! CHRISTMAS ISN'T ABOUT GOD ANYMORE GEEZE!, MEANINGS CHANGE!" are the same people who say "GAY DOESNT MEAN STUPID!" even though society evolved the meaning of the word "Gay". Double standards =P

On Topic: People can celebrate what they want, but i really find it distasteful when people go out of their way to ruin others' experiences.

And for the Jesus being born comment: Being born on the 25th or not, it doesn't freaking matter lol. I'm sure most, if not all, of you have celebrated a birthday on a different day than your actual birthday.

[quote=ruygon]I like how you look at things. This is why I always hold a place in my heart for Buddhist. They're so peaceful!
Unlike whiny Christians who steal other people's Holiday and claim it was theirs to begin with.
Aren't Christians suppose to Share stuff?[/quote]

Not all Christians are that way, sir. This one is just misinformed.

There are religious (<for lack of a better word) Christians, like the ts, that merely claims to be Christian but only goes to Sunday masses and thinks that just because he goes to church means he is completely in the right. Wrong.

And there are Christians that can go to church or not and have a meaningful relationship with God and Jesus Christ by talking and praying to them every day, keeping the commandments wholesome.

I have to agree that the Christian church is very corrupt. I, for one, am part of the contemporary movement to abolish the idea of attending church on sundays and doing only that to portray your religion.

Before I say anything more, I'm Christian. But, the people who are not religious do have a point. I've read the bible and nowhere in the bible does it say that Jesus was born on December 25th. The holiday was merely adapted to the old Roman Pagan holiday while Rome converted from Paganism to Christianity to keep itself from failing during its conversion into the dynasty.

So, let this stay a debate about the meaning of Christmas--not about the Bible telling lies, because it says nowhere in it that Jesus was born on December 25. Please basil, don't put the bible into this argument. You can at least respect our religious values. I respect yours.

Christmas means different things to different people, and no holiday is strictly prohibited to any single or group of people. I'm a Buddhist and, for me, Christmas is the time before New Year's Eve when we are left to reflect on life experiences with loved ones in the past year. It is the time when cherished memories are immortalized with the most important people in your life and when you can all gather together and exchange stories and emotions that will last a lot longer than any material present that could ever be given. Bouquets of Poinsettias and rich Lavender adorn my home, and with it, time slows down, until it stops completely, and my family, friends, and others are left to reminisce in that magical moment. That's what Christmas is to me. It has nothing to do with worship or commercialism, or even gift exchange (although that isn't to say that it doesn't happen). It just seems to me that all Holidays are meant for that purpose; to relax, spend time with loved ones, and reminisce about experiences past.

[quote=ruygon]The great thing about being a christian: You only have to read 1 Book to know the TRUTH!

The bad thing about being an Atheist: You have to read Hundreds of Books to know how wrong you are about everything![/quote]

Quoted for the truth.

actually christmas is a pagan holiday, and Jesus prolly hates your guts for celebrating it.

Not all Catholics and Christians go to church every sunday, just saying...

Christmas has almost nothing to do with religion nowadays. Heck, Japan celebrates it, and like only 10% of the people there are Christian. There, KFC is synonymous with Christmas. Seriously, read about it. No one cares about Jesus anymore, they just care about gifts. Sad but true. Besides, what holidays would we atheists celebrate without Christmas? Kwanzaa? Maybe even Boxing Day?

You can open up christmas presents every year if you want to.

[quote=usuklolxp]During christmas, 95% of people celebrate it.
But only a few people go to church, so why do people
who don't believe in God/Jesus celebrate it?
[/quote]
Because Christmas is a pagan holiday

Norse mythology says hi to your Jesus.

Because we believe in Santa Clause!

[quote=usuklolxp]@poeticdemise

But, I hope you know that christmas was the day jesus was born right?
I'm just saying it's unfair cuhz i have to go to masses every sunday [/quote]

A. IT WAS NOT the day he was born, that was actually some time in march.
B. Christmas, or Yule, was the churches attempt to integrate pagans by stealing, renaming and placing a new face on their holidays. The winter solstice and Yule tide, were pagan holidays... look it up. Use the googles

Good luk, you either chose to be religious or your family makes you, that's why you HAVE to spend time at mass....

Edit: This is not a general maple story question

Send this to chat... FYI if you think its "Unfair" then you definitely need to brush up on your christianity because although 95% of people give gifts, thats not what XMas is about

Because staying awake during a 2 hour mass grants you special rewards ammirite?

I celebrate Hanukkah, but I didn't/don't go to synagogue. Everyone is entitled to celebrate their holiday in whichever way they please.

Christmas is stuffed full of Pagan customs. Celebrate it as Jesus's birthday or as the night Santa flies around the world in a magical sleigh dragged by reindeer from the North Pole.

I always thought the second was more believable.

[quote=usuklolxp]@poeticdemise

But, I hope you know that christmas was the day jesus was born right?
I'm just saying it's unfair cuhz i have to go to masses every sunday [/quote]

Jesus wasn't born on christmas, just saying.

[quote=Flamepc]yea me 2 dude
its kinda annoying how greedy some ppl r they sacrifice their aethism for some money[/quote]

giving and receiving gifts and festivity =/= Greed.
oh look, you christians give gifts too. = you're greedy too?
besides, its not even the day Jesus was born. Constantine(? not sure) created the holiday of Christmas and put it right by winter solstice to gain pagean converts.

I dont believe in God but i believe that christmas is a time for giving.

yea me 2 dude
its kinda annoying how greedy some ppl r they sacrifice their aethism for some money

Christmas is a pagan holiday.

[quote=sorgarione]Actually Jesus was born during the summer.
The birthday was moved to accommodate a few things: the death of St. Nick and the Paegan winter solstice holidays.[/quote]

This guy is correct. Idk about the death of St. Nick, but I do know about the "Paegon winter solstice holidays".

no one cares about an outdated religion and your non-existent god. being mad that the world is evolving intellectually and technologically while people are starting to realize religion is for ignorant, scared saps isnt gonna change anything.

Im christian, but I find it hard to believe Jesus was born during the winter.

Christmas has evovled into a modern-holiday

Well, if you are jealous and mad because they don't have to WASTE 2 hours,
then clearly you dont deserve to celebrate it either.

[quote=usuklolxp]@poeticdemise

But, I hope you know that christmas was the day jesus was born right?
I'm just saying it's unfair cuhz i have to go to masses every sunday [/quote]

Wow, if you hate attending your religion that much then don't be religious.

Actually Jesus was born during the summer.
The birthday was moved to accommodate a few things: the death of St. Nick and the Paegan winter solstice holidays.

Consumerism > Religious reasons.

Eh, not everyone has the same beliefs and opinions.

@poeticdemise

But, I hope you know that christmas was the day jesus was born right?
I'm just saying it's unfair cuhz i have to go to masses every sunday

Christmas doesn't have to be about religion. It is about spending time with your family and getting into the holiday spirit. Sure it may have started as a religious Holiday but things modernize and so do Holidays. Christmas is about giving and being kind spirited. Sorry you seem to be in a grouchy mood.