General

@ImDestiny: "they will still do, so i will do it"

and so, you become one of "they"

i want a partisan, could have gotten one since day one, do you see me with a partisan?

@ImDestiny: of course they do, i never argued that they don't, i argued that that's what got the game to this point in the first place.

@darkspawn980:

Oh very true I didn't even think about that.
So yeah =/ in my eyes empress is still pretty much impossible.
Probably planned by Nexon I wouldn't be surprised if a super cube sale came in the next month or so.

[quote=Hopelessly]250$ o.o, wow, if they'll hack why not just get a job in programming. It would pay a whole lot more.[/quote]
this...
but i mean why would they they get cash immediately and they use it to fund their maplestory addiction

[quote=Nhil]If what you said in the screen shot of the Empress Cannon is true this wouldn't this still be pretty much impossible for people other than hackers?

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"Not really. You can kill it without hacks; you'll just need more funds. By "more funds" I mean close to or over 3b DPM. With hacks, it seems you only need a bit over 1b DPM (1 Mercedes doing max/arrow).

Either way, if you're going to try to kill Empress, you'll need heavily duped/hacked/made with a ton of Prots/WS/AEE gear to meet that 3b DPM requirement, which means really, if a legit team did it, might as well ban everyone on that run, by your logic

And the method really, is just killing her 70 heal cycles = 850m HP * 70 heals + 2.1b HP initially = 60b HP. As a legitimate kill, it'd have to deal with DR and statuses, which is why I tripled the DPM needed. For a disarmed run, it'd only need slightly more than 1b DPM (so you can loot). It's true that a legitimate run would be far more annoying, but still very possible."
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I'm not saying getting 3 billion damage per minute is impossible but it's pretty crazy to find 18 people willing to work together.
Most of the overly funded people aren't really friends [That's what I see from most of the servers I play in]
And even then you're calculation didn't even take into account the constant deaths, d/cs and lags. [/quote]

you forgot to add the HP that the 10 instructors have, 3B DPM isn't enough for a legit party. heck, 1B DPM isn't enough for a hacker party unless they skip the summons.

[quote=Asiaox123]Technically, you can get 100k NX/weapon, and from the responses back in that thread, you could make 500k NX a run.[/quote]

If what you said in the screen shot of the Empress Cannon is true this wouldn't this still be pretty much impossible for people other than hackers?

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"Not really. You can kill it without hacks; you'll just need more funds. By "more funds" I mean close to or over 3b DPM. With hacks, it seems you only need a bit over 1b DPM (1 Mercedes doing max/arrow).

Either way, if you're going to try to kill Empress, you'll need heavily duped/hacked/made with a ton of Prots/WS/AEE gear to meet that 3b DPM requirement, which means really, if a legit team did it, might as well ban everyone on that run, by your logic

And the method really, is just killing her 70 heal cycles = 850m HP * 70 heals + 2.1b HP initially = 60b HP. As a legitimate kill, it'd have to deal with DR and statuses, which is why I tripled the DPM needed. For a disarmed run, it'd only need slightly more than 1b DPM (so you can loot). It's true that a legitimate run would be far more annoying, but still very possible."
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I'm not saying getting 3 billion damage per minute is impossible but it's pretty crazy to find 18 people willing to work together.
Most of the overly funded people aren't really friends [That's what I see from most of the servers I play in]
And even then you're calculation didn't even take into account the constant deaths, d/cs and lags.

@darkspawn980: oh what did I type I know its in 12 haha

@aaronthecow: pretty sure it's in 12, at least in scania.

Why would people flame at you for writing this?
You are simply explaining what has been happening and stating what those scrubby meanies have been doing.
Just keep up with not buying any Empress stuff. It might work

[quote=darkspawn980]well... if people didn't fund them... like... i dunno... buying shark tooth supernova's from them... they'd have a lot less power in the first place.[/quote]

This

[quote=thebossSniper]At least you [b]Can[/b] Empress. Galica only has 13 chanels... empress armour is like 200m more expensive and weapons are non existant.[/quote]

It's in channel 12

[quote=ImDestiny]How much would a Shark Tooth Supernova cost since Empress is beatable now?
Also, [b]sucks that hackers have to always be the ones to ruin it for everyone...[/b][/quote]

well... if people didn't fund them... like... i dunno... buying shark tooth supernova's from them... they'd have a lot less power in the first place.

$250 for something that can only get you like 1b profit? Seriously? O_O
Glad Empress is hard to beat.
But like... $250 to fight pixels?
I can get like... uhh 50 spec goggles from MTS and sell for 500~600m Profit?
Win?
Who needs empress!

@allovershoe: Lol, he could just be saying that to prove that this is "legitly" gonna be the new norm. And note how he paid 250k NX for his [b]guild[/b], not just for himself? I thought it was per person. Hm. Discounts? Friends with hackers? I think so. In on it together? I think so.

Wow that's horrible o_o what kind of egotistical asshole would force someone to pay $250 USD just to do a boss. Selfish people need to grow up ._.

@1CrazyCleric: It was mainly to draw the focus to the person doing the dcing.

@1CrazyCleric: Oh That's irrelevant It's just me (offline),and my friends merc.

It's just what Capitalism has done to our gene pool.

Money is your god, throw morals and integrity out of the window.

The smart thing to do would be to stop going to the empress and sending a ticket to Nexon to inform them of this problem. People of Bera, just wait it out until Nexon fixes the problem.

[quote=allovershoe]I chatted with Proxied the day I found out about this. He himself paid for the 250k NX so his guiLolld can Empress. I don't think Skittle is responsible for this. .__.[/quote]

Seems so credible the one group going saying they paid said fee...It could be said just as easily that they are the ones doing it.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae137/xaaronx5/Empressdcer.png soo..whoever the db is .

[quote=iKirKisLife]Well, I don't doubt that Brad would have the Map crash method, maybe Liban, Kevin, etc idk ;c. C'mon, it's Skittle in the map. Let's be serious.[/quote]

I chatted with Proxied the day I found out about this. He himself paid for the 250k NX so his guild can Empress. I don't think Skittle is responsible for this. .__.

You seem quite angry.

[quote=allovershoe]o-o i'm still confused. everyone is pointing fingers at this brad guy however there's no one knows for certain who's behind the map crashing. >.>[/quote]

Well, I don't doubt that Brad would have the Map crash method, maybe Liban, Kevin, etc idk ;c. C'mon, it's Skittle in the map. Let's be serious.

Lol nerd fight

[quote=jlk900]Yea, a very well known buddy of mine told me about this yesterday. Which he said he knows alot of people who are the hackers that are auto d/c people who come into the map.He said everyone who is doing is in the skitlle guild from bera. He said from what he has found out they are doing it to try to make empress prices increase therefore since their guild is the only guild selling empress equips in bera will end up profiting more by increasing the prices in empress equips. Also, he said he personally knows someone in the guild who makes between 5,000-10,000 USD a week by selling in game items. So basically, they are making major real life money by selling stuff in a virtual game in which they do not own. So they are d/cing people so they can still make a substantial amount of real life money. What I dont understand is why doesnt nexon just ban every charecter on that map. I mean a gm can ban someone with one click so why cant they make a system to ban a whole map of people? This really needs to stop and Nexon needs to make it illegal to sell ingame profits for real life money.[/quote]

I can tell you that Skittle isn't responsible for the dcing.

Dumb hackers who don't even have any sense of humanity in them, always opting for capitalism... those cruel people.

[quote=iKirKisLife]This, is what I think sadly. Sorry brad, yur a good guy on the other site, but c'mon, ruining the game [b]like that[/b] for maplers just ain't right.[/quote]

o-o i'm still confused. everyone is pointing fingers at this brad guy however there's no one knows for certain who's behind the map crashing. >.>

[quote=cilverx4]Actually...this is a really serious issue. I think nexon has no choice but to step in here. This is a blatant, direct challenge, and this brad816 punk needs to be put in his place. I dont think the runt understands that if nexon finds his ass they can prosecute him and send him to jail with ease. I wish I could find this guy and beat his ass in real life... I get frustrated just reading this and I'm not even in Bera.[/quote]

This, is what I think sadly. Sorry brad, yur a good guy on the other site, but c'mon, ruining the game [b]like that[/b] for maplers just ain't right.

[quote=iEatRamen]There is no way they can keep this up for long. Nexon is going to notice and I really don't see a solution to this problem other than banning them. Blocking the map won't help because they just can't block that map on Bera, and it will anger A LOT of people (me included). The demand for Empress gear will go up with the coming of the new Phantom patch and I doubt people are going to stand this.

And who the hell actually pays $250 for pixels? Why not buy REAL, PHYSICAL things, or even NX? Oy, people these days....[/quote]

They never did anything about the Ht police in multiple servers and they didn't ban anybody who abused cht for 70 stat pends. I think bera will get away with this for a while

I guess their actions confirm the "empress must heal 65-70 times" theory. They started after this went mainstream.

I totally agree with u poster I mean, im lvl 157, my friend convinced me to buy empress, but I think that its not fair to others. And BTW was empress glitch fixed? Im probably WAY behind on news but whatever Im gonna be lvl 170 sooner or later and i DO wanna empress. and arent there other empress channels? or is it just 12.

I can see this happening in scania when the dual blade revamp comes

[quote=Deadling]@Shadow12347 : This is how Dark Eden US used to be, the original US version, not the one run by that one company atm. (if that version is even still running?) It was over run with what was aptly called the "speed-hack". With this hack, you were nearly unstoppable to a person who didn't have it. Meaning I died alot before I finally quit, lol. But since the game is one huge open PVP arena of Slayers vs Vampires, or back then Ousters didn't exist yet anyways, the game was nuts even trying to train. You'd get killed randomly, and barely even see the blur that killed you. It got so down hill the company just shut it down entirely. Players like myself who had loved that game, went to the Japanese servers, where thankfully GMs banned people quick for hacking.

But having played that first US server run by some un-remembered company, overrun with hackers. I would have to say that Maple is not nearly this bad. You can still at least play this game without being beaten down at every turn by a hacker. The botters do get annoying. But I'm versatile when it comes to training. I don't need much to be able to grind and hunt items to fuse/extract for fun. And no botter or hacker stands in my way of doing this. So IMHO, MS is nowhere near that level of being gone.[/quote]

Maplestory is definitely playable... it's just extremely difficult to advance when people restrain you from doing certains things(especially bossing). In situations like this, only those that hack or that are friends with hackers can really go anywhere. And i know for a fact that Nexon can IP ban someone if they really wanted to. I just don't know why they don't do it.

Inb4 someone talks about an IP changer...

@cilverx4: You're the one who obviously does not know what you're talking about. The only people who bought any significant amount of Pam's Song were the hackers themselves and only the people who regularly spend lots of NX on this game. Everyone else, including myself, spent a minimal amount of NX on Pam's Song because they were way overpriced. As far as business goes, it's more profitable to sell many duped protection scrolls then it is selling Pam's Song. And again, the 'reports' you claim Nexon talks about are only to PORTRAY the image they are doing something because they really care. Sure... what I'm saying can't really be proved but with the actions they take(or should i say they don't take) they make it seem like they do not care about the gaming experience for legit players.

I honestly have to feel pity for someone who has to come to an on line game and try to bully kids. Imagine what there pitiful lives outside the game must be like.

@Shadow12347 : This is how Dark Eden US used to be, the original US version, not the one run by that one company atm. (if that version is even still running?) It was over run with what was aptly called the "speed-hack". With this hack, you were nearly unstoppable to a person who didn't have it. Meaning I died alot before I finally quit, lol. But since the game is one huge open PVP arena of Slayers vs Vampires, or back then Ousters didn't exist yet anyways, the game was nuts even trying to train. You'd get killed randomly, and barely even see the blur that killed you. It got so down hill the company just shut it down entirely. Players like myself who had loved that game, went to the Japanese servers, where thankfully GMs banned people quick for hacking.

But having played that first US server run by some un-remembered company, overrun with hackers. I would have to say that Maple is not nearly this bad. You can still at least play this game without being beaten down at every turn by a hacker. The botters do get annoying. But I'm versatile when it comes to training. I don't need much to be able to grind and hunt items to fuse/extract for fun. And no botter or hacker stands in my way of doing this. So IMHO, MS is nowhere near that level of being gone.

[quote=sasuke1521]Shake my head.[/quote] Ah thanks.

Only like certain ppl in Skittke...but honestly there nothing good about them...kinda why i left -_-
tho i still like Kimi atleast she was nice...that and Wendy

[quote=feud999]Im poor, so I can't afford Empress stuff anyway, like 200mil poor.
I agree with this 100%, My level 200 friend was going to try to solo Empress, he said he kept getting dced and people told him to pay with NX to do the run.
Which to me is very sad.
Anyways, really off topic, what does smh mean...? [/quote]

Shake my head.

Im poor, so I can't afford Empress stuff anyway, like 200mil poor.
I agree with this 100%, My level 200 friend was going to try to solo Empress, he said he kept getting dced and people told him to pay with NX to do the run.
Which to me is very sad.
Anyways, really off topic, what does smh mean...?

The person doing it is Kevin. Aka Vicky? As people know him. (xBBVicky / HeroicViet)
Note : Yes he's a guy posing as a girl that many people still think he's a girl.

[quote=Gonochoristic]Yes had this problem before in bellocan too. People got blocked from HT for a while and soon after the empress before they could it kill it so they could inflate prices on HTP/empress armor. Now that its gone, prices of them are dirt cheap. So IMO, yes they should continue this. Can't have everyone running around with empress weapons. How ridiculous would that be?[/quote]
Only way that you can get empress weapons is killing empress illegitimately with hacks. Not everyone hacks thus there will not be a lot of empress weapons anyways.

[quote=prosecuted]@allovershoe: ah. didnt bother to read your second thread, as its really not important what you complain about.[/quote]

Empress. Yes. Is unimportant. If you're saying that people are trying to monopolize a part of a game is insignificant then I have to beg a differ.

@allovershoe: ah. didnt bother to read your second thread, as its really not important what you complain about.

Who in their right mind, or even insane brain, would pay 250$ for a run at a stupid boss in a game? That's idiotic in all senses of the word. I pay 250$ for actual things. Heck I could go out to the bar a few nights off that. Or I could even buy some new DS games, new PC games, maybe even some NX to spend on my self. No one in their right mind would pay 250k nx for this. And if you do, you sir/ma'am are an idiot.

[quote=prosecuted]Woah. You bolded 2 insults. Dang they must be crying their eyes out. It makes them money, so why should they care if YOU can empress or not.
Thats like me caring that i was a better candidate for a college and being sad that i kicked someone else's place out.[/quote]

You have got to be kidding me. I clearly said I didn't care if I could empress or not in my last comment on the other thread. I'm not expecting them to care. I'm simply pointing out that hackers have gone too far trying to monopolize a boss. Monopolization is completely different than college admissions. It's a faulty comparison.

Actually...this is a really serious issue. I think nexon has no choice but to step in here. This is a blatant, direct challenge, and this brad816 punk needs to be put in his place. I dont think the runt understands that if nexon finds his ass they can prosecute him and send him to jail with ease. I wish I could find this guy and beat his ass in real life... I get frustrated just reading this and I'm not even in Bera.

[quote=allovershoe]Last night a made a thread talking about how hackers are map crashing Cygnus Garden Ch.12 in Bera and forcing people to pay 250k NX if they wish to fight Empress. I ended the thread because it was getting off topic however I feel the need to revive it again due to the feedback I received through PMs and whispers. If you would like to read the comments on the other thread feel free to.

http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2405289/1/40255110Cant_Empress_at_All__Bera.html#40255110

Go to the last page of the thread and read what I wrote. I felt like I was being reasonable however some people on Basil evidently didn't agree and flamed me over PMs and whispers.

So let me make this clear to you Basil. I don't care who it is that's map crashing Cygnus Garden Ch. 12. It's the fact that they're willing to force people to pay 250k NX just to go on Empress runs that bothers me. If Nexon decided to make us pay to Boss then yes that would still be unfair however it's their game and they have the liberty to do so. The fact that people who don't even work for Nexon are taking control of the game is preposterous. I'm not expecting Nexon to take action soon. That's not the point of this thread. I just want to point out how [b]pathetic[/b] people are these days. If they're willing to pick on fellow gamers just so they can make a quick buck to satisfy their selfish needs... [b]despicable[/b]. So at the people who decided to flame me over PMs and whispers. No. I'm not mad. No I'm not QQing. I for one know that outside of Maple, I am a better person.

Bring it on people who disagree with me. I enjoy a friendly debate.

*Sidenote.

If you wish to help out please don't buy any Empress equips from the FM for the time being. Prices of equips will steadily rise so there's no point in buying them anyways. Remember, hackers need us (the consumers) to thrive. If we don't buy, they're forced to lower prices again and hopefully stop this empress nonsense. Thanks~!

~Olly.[/quote]
Woah. You bolded 2 insults. Dang they must be crying their eyes out. It makes them money, so why should they care if YOU can empress or not.
Thats like me caring that i was a better candidate for a college and being sad that i kicked someone else's place out.

Thats stupid and a total waste of time.

Wait wait wait... Ch. 12... did they change it from channel 14 to channel 12? Galicia can Empress?

[quote=DarkQuill]Guess all you can do at this point is send tickets to Nexon and hope they'll take action.
I know, everyone's all "LOL Nexon taking action? To the coffee machine maybe", but they do actually get stuff done. Slowly. Sometimes.

Game needs more GM action to stop this kind of rubbish.[/quote]
GMs seriously needs to stop this stupid rubbish. The game is already broken with all the Protection scrolls, WS scrolls that are duped and now hackers just want to steal people's money for something stupid as empress. Seriously hackers grow up and learn to play the game, maple is just a game so let us play it as normal people.