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[quote=ReLaX]Jesus weren't born at year 0[/quote]

Yea i know, he was actually born in +/- 3 year before Christ. I should have made it more accurate in my answer.

I pmed you and you've yet to reply to me

oh and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaOVPaYf780&feature=rec-LGOUT-real_rn-1r-28-HM

[quote=CannedHeat]I laughed my ass off but then I realized you were serious.[/quote]

LOL. I also looked around for a bit, and I noticed that nobody ever answers questions that make Him look bad. "Why did he let this happen? Why did he let all those people die?" Etc. They're always replied with something about how the survivors would gain from it and how those who died gained from it. That's great. Thanks for answering my question on WHY not WHAT.

[quote=clankfan]I see, well the question is a tough one,
I honestly wouldn't know If I would or not
but yes it would be Righteous because God would have a further purpose for that women or me
Yes it sounds utterly TERRIBLE ! but I am only trying to say what I think.
sorry if it does not fill your criteria for an answer[/quote]

How about the second question? Would it generally be good, if God said so?

[quote=Touch]Those are neither theological nor philosophical answers. The dinosaur fact, however, is historical. If you're expecting to provide a decent FAQ, you better be prepared to back your statements up with either ontological arguments, Biblical references, or other credible evidence. Otherwise, you will inevitably make a fool out of yourself when anyone intellectually attacks your answers, which actually doesn't do any good. While your intent is admirable, one of the primary faults of modern Christianity is that Christians know very little about Bible history, theology, and philosophy. I would do a little more research, read a little more, and experience a little more before you attempt to defend your faith adequately.

This coming from a Christian.[/quote]

To be honest, it does say it in the Bible, it talks about a dinosaur in Job but was not described so well but was named a "Leviathan."

OT: saving this, reading through whole thread.

Okay, here's the thing for people who say, "Why did so many people who died were non-Christians?" (note: this is my thoughts.)
So many people died for their sins because they thought it was wretched. But in my opinion, I don't think God intended that. I think it was the followers who were the ones so prideful of themselves saying, "Oh well look at this girl, she's tainted. Let's kill her." Or whatever. That's what people thought, they thought like one sin would be (take for example, adultery) was too much. They thought that adultery should be punished. But I don't believe that God wanted them to die. His commandments never said that they should die for what they did. "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." Everyone had sinned, but did it say, "For all have sinned and people who are adulterers should die." No. EVERYONE has sinned. EVERY sin that has been committed is judged the same. If you lie, that is a sin. It's just the people have to either choose whether or not to turn away from that sin. And the people who were stoning the adulterers? They didn't even give the people a chance to forgive them. I think that's what's wrong with humanity... The ability to forgive for one's mistake. They quickly blame a person for wrong-doing and put judgement to them, but realize, they are just human.
EDIT: And some people forget, Christians as well were martyred as well. Even today, they are killed for their beliefs.

I believe the Holocaust argument is like suffering, like what the TS had said. I heard it said before that character can be found through trials. Well, that's right actually, you start to see who a person really is when they deal with a trial. In this case, there was also a gain from the Holocaust, recall, Israel was brought again to be a nation, just how it was predicted exactly in the Bible ( somewhere in Ezekiel.)

And as for some Christians that do not believe in hell, I believe there is a Hell. That is not what God has intended either. God had only intended the Heavens and the Earth. (Like it said in the Bible, God created the Heavens and the earth, he did not create hell. Lucifer/Satan created hell.) And lets put it this way, God gave us the free-will. Eve had the free-will to either disobey God or obey God. She chose to disobey God. I mean, why? She was tempted, of course, what could we have done in that scenario?
Probably the same thing because we want to be like a "god" or whatever. Anyway, God gave us the free-will to do what we want. The free-will to either love him or deny him. It is your choice if you want to be with him or not. I do think God wanted it to be this way because he doesn't want us to be some robot saying, "I love you, master. I love you." No. He wants us to love him voluntarily. He wants us to love him with a heart that WANTS to say, "I love you." Wouldn't it be wrong if you were FORCED to say, "I love you"? That's why God gave us the free-will to choose what we think is right. You might say, "Oh, but you know what, he said if you sinned and you don't follow him, you go to hell." Yes. That is true. The reason for that is because a person chooses to live apart from God. A person chooses to stay in the darkness rather than not at least trying to be in the light. I mean, you know, we all make mistakes; I make so many mistakes, it's not even funny. But you know what, God still loves us, it's just that you have to turn away from that sin. He wants you to love him by turning away from selfish desires and just run to him. Recall, His Son died for the sins of the world, He gave what was precious to Him in order that you might be saved. "This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us." (1 John 3:16.) That, though, is either if you choose to take it or not.

& about the infant thing you guys are taking about up there ^. Why would God promote sin? Therefore, that is an invalid question.

I see, well the question is a tough one,
I honestly wouldn't know If I would or not
but yes it would be Righteous because God would have a further purpose for that women or me
Yes it sounds utterly TERRIBLE ! but I am only trying to say what I think.
sorry if it does not fill your criteria for an answer

[quote=clankfan]@ReLax: ok ty for that, well from what I just read from wikipedia, basically; Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God. so I would say it is the second option imo. I'm pretty sure i've said this but .. God is righteous, he is the creator of all and is creator of right and wrong; whatever he does, we, as humans cannot judge what he has done. I hope that didn't come on too strongly and I hope I answered your question.
Are you a Christian ?
@imzack1: I was wondering if you put any thought into your comment ?
If you read my paragraph at the top of the page, it CLEARLY states "Hope this helps all you struggling Christians upon your walk to become closer to God (:"
I am not trying to convert anyone, please leave your childish comments some place else[/quote]

I am not a Christian anymore.

Second and third question, would r4ping infants be morally correct if God said so? Would you r4pe an infant if God told you to?

@ReLax: ok ty for that, well from what I just read from wikipedia, basically; Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God. so I would say it is the second option imo. I'm pretty sure i've said this but .. God is righteous, he is the creator of all and is creator of right and wrong; whatever he does, we, as humans cannot judge what he has done. I hope that didn't come on too strongly and I hope I answered your question.
Are you a Christian ?
@imzack1: I was wondering if you put any thought into your comment ?
If you read my paragraph at the top of the page, it CLEARLY states "Hope this helps all you struggling Christians upon your walk to become closer to God (:"
I am not trying to convert anyone, please leave your childish comments some place else

[quote=clankfan]@CrayonScribble: ty very nice way of putting it.

@ReLax: Sorry for not answering your question, everytime your question came up someone elses came up also so I answered theres and forgot to answer yours
then when i remember I had already posted something so I am unable to post twice, but ty for your patience.
also .. what was your question again ? haha if it was about hell, I do believe it exsists[/quote]

Whats your take on Euthryphro's dilemma?

@CrayonScribble: ty very nice way of putting it.

@ReLax: Sorry for not answering your question, everytime your question came up someone elses came up also so I answered theres and forgot to answer yours
then when i remember I had already posted something so I am unable to post twice, but ty for your patience.
also .. what was your question again ? haha if it was about hell, I do believe it exsists

@NotZach: Naah, I don't believe in devils,.. I think its the gremlins :]

I'm not Christain but let me pose this to everyone who poses any variant of - [i]why has God let poverty, war, famine, sadness happen?[/i] I'd be scared to ask that question to God because he very might well ask the same question - [i][b]why have you?[/i][/b]

@edayr: I am sorry if I give biased answer seeing how I am a Christian .. o-o
also why do you feel the need to blame things on God ? If you were an atheist you would agree that all "natural" disasters are caused naturally but in this case
they are caused by Global warming, mans doing
@NotZach: your point is completely acceptable, humans can go on living with no real reason in life, I was just stating that it gives me reason I understand if you don't want to accept that factor but still. What keeps you motivated to continue highschool (if your in highschool) ? to get into the right university/college? then into a good job ? then have a family ? then what ? what happens what its all over ? sorry if I came on strong there

Also I just wanna address your last comment "now that I don't follow Christianity I'm happier than I've ever been" would you mind explaining to me what had happened ?
pm me if you feel insecure about posting on this thread, I am very interested in what has happened to you to make you "unbelieve"

[quote=ReLaX]I now firmly hold the belief that CLANKFAN avoids me on purpose. So much for "Also if you have any question, please don;t hesitate to comment and I'll try my best to answer them !"[/quote]

No it's just the Devil playing tricks on you, he is the prince of lies so ya

I now firmly hold the belief that CLANKFAN avoids me on purpose. So much for "Also if you have any question, please don;t hesitate to comment and I'll try my best to answer them !"

@Relax: tyvm

[quote=NotZach]He never said if did or not (or at least I didn't read page 1 so ya) and the bible talks about a hell and punishment for 'sinners' through out the entire bible, the so it's somewhat rare to find a Christian that doesn't believe in it.[/quote]

The bible mentions hell, but many who have studied it properly knows that it isn't meant for people, like us, but only Satan and the angels who went with him. Most of the times when "hell" is mentioned, the right translation from the original language actually means "the grave". and it's not rare to find a christian that doesn't believe in hell. In my country, Denmark, the majority doesn't believe in hell, in US which is a far more religious country, around 40% don't believe in hell.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-08-01-hell-damnation_N.htm

@edayr: I see that you are struggling, I just want to point out that the QLD floods are OUR doing
Global Warming > Sudden Weather Changes > Floods, Bush Fires etc

@clankfan: You shouldn't need a religion to feel like you have a purpose in this world, to make you feel special, to get you to get out of bed, I can understand how people need support etc. But 'God' doesn't move your arms and legs, 'God' isn't putting on your clothes and getting you ready for the day, You go through every day not with any real help from some higher power, you get through it yourself with own courage and love of the world. See where I'm going with this? And lol it's funny because I'm the complete opposite, now that I don't follow Christianity I'm happier than I've ever been. but sure whatever works for you

@NotZach: ty for your opinion, I see where you are coming from, i agree to an extent. I agree that the Holocaust was not the greatest thing that could of happened,
I have my doubts, worries and struggles with faith EVERYDAY, that is why I made this thread for whoever is looking for any extra support I "might" help in any sort of way possible. Also it is true that looking at it logically it isnt the easiest thing to believe in "man turns water into wine" etc but thats where faith comes in.
I believe cause' i want to, I want a reason to wake up in the morning, I want a reason to continue living and I know its true. He holds me together, Our Lord, Our Savior
Without something to believe it, I would be dead by now I can tell you that. Sorry if i have avoided your question in anyway

[quote=ReLaX]No, it doesn't matter, whether or not he believes it or not, it is still disrespectful to just make assumptions.[/quote]

He never said if did or not (or at least I didn't read page 1 so ya) and the bible talks about a hell and punishment for 'sinners' through out the entire bible, the so it's somewhat rare to find a Christian that doesn't believe in it.

[quote=NotZach]@ReLaX: If it doesn't matter when why'd you bring it up?[/quote]

No, it doesn't matter, whether or not he believes it or not, it is still disrespectful to just make assumptions.

@ReLaX: If it doesn't matter when why'd you bring it up?

[quote=NotZach]$100 says he does[/quote]

Doesn't matter.

[quote=ReLaX]You should ask first if he believes in hell, because not all christians do so, and it is disrespectful to throw out assumptions. [/quote]

$100 says he does

[quote=NotZach]oh this is just hilarious

k so explain to me how a higher power would be so petty, and childish as to condemn his people to eternal suffering simply because they didn't follow him as his cheerleaders? or to let humans suffer for the so many years we've been on this earth just because some girl ate an apple and now we have to pay for what she did? or to fulfill a prophecy written in a book that has the morals of what? 1 - 3 thousand years ago when women were stoned to death for adultery? men were killed for spilling their seed? and we killed "non-believers."

I know you're going to reply to this with "God works in mysterious ways." But honestly, look at this from a logical point of view, not from a Christian one, is this God justified? is this 'God' making the right decisions?[/quote]

You should ask first if he believes in hell, because not all christians do so, and it is disrespectful to throw out assumptions.

oh this is just hilarious

k so explain to me how a higher power would be so petty, and childish as to condemn his people to eternal suffering simply because they didn't follow him as his cheerleaders? or to let humans suffer for the so many years we've been on this earth just because some girl ate an apple and now we have to pay for what she did? or to fulfill a prophecy written in a book that has the morals of what? 1 - 3 thousand years ago when women were stoned to death for adultery? men were killed for spilling their seed? and we killed "non-believers."

I know you're going to reply to this with "God works in mysterious ways." But honestly, look at this from a logical point of view, not from a Christian one, is this God justified? is this 'God' making the right decisions?

[quote=clankfan]@Jake305: ty for your sarcasm I hope it assumed the 7 to 8 year olds you aspire to humor[/quote]

Ignoring me for fun?

@Jake305: ty for your sarcasm I hope it assumed the 7 to 8 year olds you aspire to humor

[quote=Sweax]Not really. The bible is a collection of books that have been made over a long time. The old testament was made before the birth of christ ( the year 0). We don't exactly know if all the stories are true, because some of them are made of telling stories form generation to generation. Like Adam and Eve. But some stories can be be proven. I don't know them all but King David did exist. The New Testament tells something about Jesus, and there are actually 4 people to confirm it. In the history of mankind a story was only true if there were 4 people to confirm it. There is one book taht is the hardest to read: Relevation (also Apocalyps). It contains alot of examples that are very hard to explain. Like the dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns. People think that that is the devil (Satan). Still, the bible is a book that is hard to read, but has also alot of things that are really useful in life. So this is a global explanation of it.[/quote]

Jesus weren't born at year 0

[quote=xIntegrity]>bible
>useful in life

can't tell if serious[/quote]

Then read it
Problem solved

What's your answer to Euthryphro's Dilemma?

@Touch: ty for your reply, I understand this may anger a few people because it is very brief and no in-depth
I am sorry for that, I am only in high school and wanted to help anyone with problems getting to know God as best as i can.
again, sorry if this thread has angered, annoyed or in anyways made you uncomfortable. I am only typing what I can remember from my discussion from my teacher.

@CannedHeat: I Pray for your self being

[quote=Overlord]Wait hold on the bible was made in the 1800s?
Eh, can you explain more about the history of the bible to me.
I'm not a believer but also not a hater.
Just wondering.[/quote]

Not really. The bible is a collection of books that have been made over a long time. The old testament was made before the birth of christ ( the year 0). We don't exactly know if all the stories are true, because some of them are made of telling stories form generation to generation. Like Adam and Eve. But some stories can be be proven. I don't know them all but King David did exist. The New Testament tells something about Jesus, and there are actually 4 people to confirm it. In the history of mankind a story was only true if there were 4 people to confirm it. There is one book taht is the hardest to read: Relevation (also Apocalyps). It contains alot of examples that are very hard to explain. Like the dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns. People think that that is the devil (Satan). Still, the bible is a book that is hard to read, but has also alot of things that are really useful in life. So this is a global explanation of it.

@Overlord: the point im trying to make is that the bible is an OLD piece of scripture and the term "Dinosaur"
is a "new" word in this sense so therefore the Bible could not name it dinosaurs but it names it Behemoth and Leviathan

Finnaly some person who believes in it, and TRIES to make it clear to alot of people.

@xIntegrity: No he does not, Cain had sexual intercourse with his sister regardless of God
when Adam and Eve ate the fruit, they became self conscious of right and wrong, pleasure, revenge etc
Cain and his sister was his OWN doing, nothing to do with God

[i]I am not Christian, i am a Googleian. So I can answer, I guess "I'm Felling Lucky".[/i]
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/dinosaurs.html

http://unasked.com/question/view/id/12248

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c004.html