Important new finding about Bb
So at the request of @j1mm13valadez I've been testing if BB adds 2 or 3 total speed to your attack and the results of my tests seem to show that it actually adds 3 total. So the +2 in the description is actually in addition to the +1 from the base AYA. So basically once we can have BB on 100% of the time there isn't as much reason to use an Ele. With any other staff we will be attacking at Faster 3 which is only an 8% DPM difference which is actually not as hard to make up for with higher Matk. So yeah. After we get our Hyper Skills we can basically use any staff. Ele will still be nice but no longer the only option. The extremely high base matk of the 163 ones will still make those the weapon of choice for those who can get the 6 set effect using the Empress Shoulder but using the DTM staff will become a valid and perfectly usable option after this.
So other than discussing this I also wanted to ask anyone who wants to to test it for themselves. I will post exactly what I did so that it can be repeated so we can gather more data to confirm that this is indeed accurate. First you need to equip a slow 8 staff (I used a Union Staff but any one should work). Then I just turned BB on, held down the atk button, and turned on a timer (I used the timer on my Wife's IPhone for reference) and counted the number of attacks in 60 seconds. If the results are between 60 and 62 that would mean that AYA + BB only gave 2 total speed but if they are between 64-66 it means that it gives 3 total attack. I tested it 3 separate times (along with a test with just AYA, no buffs, AYA and Booster, and just booster to make sure that the expected speeds were accurate and that the method worked) and every time I got 64 attacks.
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@Mystelteinn: how do you get character cards?
Nice~
Only problem is that I'm not goign to spend time scrolling and cubing another weapon, so I'm sticking with my ele.
[quote=razormana]All bosses that can be summoned in the Evolving World are the same as their counterparts outside of it, they just cant summon any mobs.
On KMS shoulderpads went for 2b each which is like 5-6b on gms, and have only now started to deflate a tiny bit to about 1.3-1.6b depending on the class.
The EW empress does the heals as well unless binded which means that taking a class that can bind mobs on the run is a must, not to mention the pig mobs that will constantly respawn in the map.[/quote]
Man I should have equipped that Wise Grand Pauldron after all...
[quote=GodOfSparks]What Mercedes cooldown are you talking about? o.o Anyway, so if I don't have <= & 2 level 120+ Mechanics, I'm still better off with a Elestaff, right?[/quote]
He's talking about the Character Card Decks. The card effect for Mercedes is -x% CD duration. The one for mechanics is +x% buff duration. You can combine the two to increase the length of BB while reducing it's CD resulting in it lasting 90-100% of the time.
For now an ele 1-4 is probably a little better (at training although it is much worse at bossing) while the 5-8 is as it was before (way better at training and slightly worse at bossing). The big change will occur in ~4 months when we get the Hyper Skill that allows us to have 100% uptime on the ADA/AYA effects of BB which would make the DTM staff a better option (Ele 5-8 would still be slightly better for training but since it costs so much more the DTM is probably a better choice).
[quote=Mystelteinn]- 2 mechanic character cards : each are +15% buff duration at lvl 120, for a total of +30% buff duration.
- Possibly inner abilities from Aswan
Actually, if you manage to get 50% buff duration, or combined with mercedes's cooldown, you can have bb at 90 second duration or close, meaning that you're always gonna be in BB.[/quote]
What Mercedes cooldown are you talking about? o.o Anyway, so if I don't have <= & 2 level 120+ Mechanics, I'm still better off with a Elestaff, right?
[quote=Cthulhusama]@LightCuber: Well from what I have seen on OrangeMushroom you get it by doing the Evolving Core system which should mean you can either do it by yourself (if you are strong enough) or with the help of some funded friends/guildmates. I imagine it will be sort of like getting a MoN where you can pay people a small fee to take you on a run. I guess it mostly depends on how strong the Evolving System version of Cygnus is. If it is close to or at the same strength as normal then it will be insanely hard to get and therefor expensive. If she is significantly weaker then it will be much easier and cheaper.[/quote]
All bosses that can be summoned in the Evolving World are the same as their counterparts outside of it, they just cant summon any mobs.
On KMS shoulderpads went for 2b each which is like 5-6b on gms, and have only now started to deflate a tiny bit to about 1.3-1.6b depending on the class.
The EW empress does the heals as well unless binded which means that taking a class that can bind mobs on the run is a must, not to mention the pig mobs that will constantly respawn in the map.
[quote=Cthulhusama]Actually Mechs are the ones that increase buff duration (5% per job advance so 5% at 30, 10% at 70, 15% at 120, and 20% at 200).
Mercedes decrease CD but only by a small amount (IIRC it's 2% at 30, 3% at 70, 4% at 120, and 5% at 200).
So 50% CD reduction is unlikely to be possible (and the CD reduction from Merc cards is capped at 5 seconds anyway IIRC).
Best bet is to get 50% buff duration (30% from two lvl 120 mechs or 40% from 2 lvl 200 mechs). Then get the rest from Azwan or something.[/quote]
My bad. I just woke up and did it the other way around. You're completely right!
[quote=Mystelteinn]- 2 mechanic character cards : each are -15% cooldown at lvl 120, for a total of -30% cooldown.
- Possibly inner abilities from Aswan
Actually, if you manage to get 50% cooldown reduction, or combined with mercedes's longer buff duration, you can have bb at 60 second cooldown, and it lasts 60 seconds, meaning that you're always gonna be in BB.[/quote]
Actually Mechs are the ones that increase buff duration (5% per job advance so 5% at 30, 10% at 70, 15% at 120, and 20% at 200).
Mercedes decrease CD but only by a small amount (IIRC it's 2% at 30, 3% at 70, 4% at 120, and 5% at 200).
So 50% CD reduction is unlikely to be possible (and the CD reduction from Merc cards is capped at 5 seconds anyway IIRC).
Best bet is to get 50% buff duration (30% from two lvl 120 mechs or 40% from 2 lvl 200 mechs). Then get the rest from Azwan or something.
[quote=yoyobrains0]fml I still can't play... redownloading right now. question how is body boost down to a 2 second cooldown?[/quote]
- 2 mechanic character cards : each are +15% buff duration at lvl 120, for a total of +30% buff duration.
- Possibly inner abilities from Aswan
Actually, if you manage to get 50% buff duration, or combined with mercedes's cooldown, you can have bb at 90 second duration or close, meaning that you're always gonna be in BB.
fml I still can't play... redownloading right now. question how is body boost down to a 2 second cooldown?
woot , So far I have body boost down to a 2 sec cd
Oh I just had a thought that was cool but not worth making a thread about and related to BB so I'm just going to add it in here.
Once we get the Hyper Skills (or anyone who uses Mech/Merc cards to get 100% uptime on BB) you can use an Ele (or Pyogo technically) without using Booster and still hit max speed. Since Blood Drain, BB, and auras are all undispellable this means that the majority of your buffs can't be dispelled (only Stance, MW, Conversion, and Tele Mastery can be if you do this to ignore booster). 1 less skill to recast is always a good thing especially one that is so vital.
@Cthulhusama: Luminous use other new kind of staff, and stupid merchants are trying to inflate regular staves for them LOL
[quote=SaltyBlocks]This test doesn't look very reliable. Unless there's an unavoidable glitch or hiccup that happens when you hold down a skill's key too long, at 0:51 you can clearly see the BaM on the far right pausing for a split second. I haven't watched the video past then though.[/quote]
Well there is an issue where if you stand in one spot and use the same attack 100 times it stops you from attacking until you move (failed anti botting technology....). That screwed me up a few times and I had to redo the test after moving around and waiting for the CD on BB to run out.
@pikalachu: Yeah I wasn't sure if it was a new weapon they got or just a new secondary weapon. So that further points to DTM staves not going up in price any time soon.
[quote=Cthulhusama]I don't think this will cause them to inflate. The only thing that might is Luminous coming out (I think they still use staves right?) but even that won't change things too much since more powerful classes should in theory deflate the costs (more powerful classes=more people killing empress/knights=more weapons=lower cost).
It wouldn't hurt to buy one now and just hold on to it until then of course.[/quote]
luminous uses a new type of weapon called Rod
[quote=Psydei]Time to buy a dragon tail for my bam I guess, before they inflate?[/quote]
I don't think this will cause them to inflate. The only thing that might is Luminous coming out (I think they still use staves right?) but even that won't change things too much since more powerful classes should in theory deflate the costs (more powerful classes=more people killing empress/knights=more weapons=lower cost).
It wouldn't hurt to buy one now and just hold on to it until then of course.
Time to buy a dragon tail for my bam I guess, before they inflate?
@LightCuber: Well from what I have seen on OrangeMushroom you get it by doing the Evolving Core system which should mean you can either do it by yourself (if you are strong enough) or with the help of some funded friends/guildmates. I imagine it will be sort of like getting a MoN where you can pay people a small fee to take you on a run. I guess it mostly depends on how strong the Evolving System version of Cygnus is. If it is close to or at the same strength as normal then it will be insanely hard to get and therefor expensive. If she is significantly weaker then it will be much easier and cheaper.
@Cthulhusama Yes, this is amazing news for poor BaMs. The Empress staff is usually much more available, and usually half the price of any clean elemental staff. The shoulder may be free, but its massive demand will probably make it difficult to obtain, to say the least.
I might actually sell/trade my staff some time soon. I'll be a little weaker until hyper skills, but it gives me plenty of time to try and find a good price.
[quote=j1mm13valadez]Thank you for doing this. I did some testing just by recording myself hitting mobs with si+ bb with a slow and fast staff and noticed no difference in speed. It wasn't as through as your testing but I think it was good enough evidence that aya add+ bb adds a total of 3 and not 2. It does cleary state that body boost adds +2, and if iit wasn't addition to, then it would contradict how ada works with body boost.[/quote]
Yeah once you pointed it out it did seem odd that the atk speed was the only part that didn't stack.
[quote=Mystelteinn]Or oneself could just compare the attack speed of a pyogo shroom (Fast 5) on booster compared to a slow staff on booster with BB (and AYA). If they're both the same, it means there's no diff.
I guess it's less objective than yours, but still works.
Anyways, great find! Not like i'm tempted to get rid of my ele, especially since with empress shoulder we'll get that 6 piece bonus [/quote]
The only real change for this won't come until we have perma AYA/ADA BB but even then it will mostly be for semi-funded BaMs who can get the 6 set effect without the cape for ~500mil (40-50mil for hat, shoe, overall, and glove; shoulder is free; and staff is around 300mil) or for BaMs who want to use a Dojo glove and still get the 6 set effect (although by then AB will be out and no one else will probably ever place on the top 50 again....).
Well really this affects poor BaMs more than rich ones. The 8% difference isn't worth the giant cost difference between a DTM staff and an Ele to most people.
Or oneself could just compare the attack speed of a pyogo shroom (Fast 5) on booster compared to a slow staff on booster with BB (and AYA). If they're both the same, it means there's no diff.
I guess it's less objective than yours, but still works.
Anyways, great find! Not like i'm tempted to get rid of my ele, especially since with empress shoulder we'll get that 6 piece bonus
Thank you for doing this. I did some testing just by recording myself hitting mobs with si+ bb with a slow and fast staff and noticed no difference in speed. It wasn't as through as your testing but I think it was good enough evidence that aya add+ bb adds a total of 3 and not 2. It does cleary state that body boost adds +2, and if iit wasn't addition to, then it would contradict how ada works with body boost.
Hehehe, getting ready to get on that Empress set for that free 30% boss ^_^