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[quote=Ryohki]The only thing they can do is run a query that shows who bought scrolls over the weekend. This will show how many etc then they run a new query on the 15th and do a join on maple user id's and see rank who the top abusers are. They dont have any other magic way of doing this since its the same item id. This is why the items are not able to be traded so their query will only show what is left and if users got rid of them.[/quote]

Ah, database queries! That would be the general idea of how they would do it. Which exact method they're doing, we don't know.

Nicely done, bro! I love your constant mod-work to keep the boards from being ridiculously over-cluttered with similar threads.

Also, I think you forgot to mention something in the summary of things that happened:

-Greedy, idiotic players decided to "call Nexon's bluff" and rally other players to also not drop their exploited items.
-The players who decided to "call the bluff" were subsequently banned for not listening to the warnings (in other words, banned for stupidity).

You could also mention how many people raged over "hackers getting away scot free", despite Nexon saying that the hackers will be banned either way.

This is why we can't have nice things

It's all a conspiracy. Nexon probably makes the hacks and then leaks them out. The only thing Nexon cares about is your money. They don't care about our accounts. They don't care about doing their jobs either. They just want to make money. If you play the game and waste REAL money to buy NX, stop. You can do so much more with real money. MapleStory is only a free game until you get lured into wasting money for NX. The real reason why they want you to get rid of your hacked items is so that they don't have to do all the hard work which they should be doing.

So.... hackers make millions, people trying to benefit from hackers lose millions (and will probably get banned). Whole maple world is pissed off. Horned Tail is still glitched and Czak is still being controled by hackers (for months already).
It's nexon's birthday, what did u expect?

Someone on sleepywood commented that hackers have ruined every event in the past year. I don't know if it's really been every event but it seems like hackers have ruined the majority of them. That's a bit crazy.

[quote=Ryohki]But the hackers did get rich unless I am missing something. They sold tons of chaos scrolls making max mesos and putting them on various accounts or buying godly weapons. Nexon wont ban someone who picked up equips a hacker dropped they already said that so all the hackers who bought items and gave to friends are not affected by this, just the people who bought the scrolls got ripped. The hackers used lvl one fake accounts so banning them does nothing to them.[/quote]

Sadly you are likely right. Nexon will hopefully look at the logs to see who actually did the hacking, then ban the accounts they gave all their coins to as well. That would punish them. But, you're probably right- my fairy-tale dream of hackers being punished isn't likely to come true, the smart ones will figure out how to work the system.

However, even if relatively few actual hackers are punished, Nexon's solution at least punishes the other half of the hacking problem- the cheaters willing to exploit the hack by buying up large quantity of scrolls to resell later.

If those cheaters had not given in to greed, there wouldn't be a bunch of rich hackers running around with mule accounts filled with goodies.

From an ethical perspective they aren't much better than the hackers. It's like when you occasionally hear a funny story about an ATM that's busted or hacked to spit out large quantities of cash. The common citizens (cheaters) stupid and greedy enough to be like "ooh! free money!" and grab a bunch of the free cash end up getting in trouble unless they give the cash back, since they are thieves. If I'm not mistaken, this just happened recently again in Australia.

I don't see maple story in 5 years if there's a new exploit every month or so.

if only the commonly known hacking forums would stop (which they will not) 90% of all the wannabee hackers aka leechers would be powerless since there aren't many people who know how to make the hacks

[quote=Taichikara]Not everyone is broke, cause not everyone rushed to buy the chaos scrolls and maple weapons and stuff. [/quote]

Yup, I sure didn't. I knew something was up. Amazes me how quickly someone will blindly invest in something that has dropped over 10 million mesos in less than 3 days. Unless of course, they knew about the exploit and are being far from truthful.

I love Nexon's response to this- it punishes the partners of the hackers- the petty cheaters who thought they could 'pull on over' on Nexon by taking advantage of this exploit and stocking up on scrolls.

Hopefully this will teach a lesson to those wanting to get-rich-quick by cheating and taking advantage of an exploit. Maybe next time the hackers won't get quite so rich, since people will realize that giving their money to hackers in order to stockpile cheap, hacked scrolls is a blatantly stupid idea.

[b]My friend told me that i have to drop my maple weapons or i get banned. Is this true? i spent all my money trying to get these. do i srsly have to drop?[/b]

am i safe if i got reverse shoes from a friend that he scrolled w/ chaos but does NOT know if it is an exploited one or not?

@golatias: It's cool! I didn't know it was a frequently asked question plus you did answer my question so thank you

@shikachibi: No problem, sorry about the rude manner :c

[quote=golatias]Im sorry if I respond to your question in a rude manner, but this question has been asked a million times and has been answered a few times within this thread.

[b]IS THE ITEM EXPLOITED?[/b] (was it gotten by hacking?) If not, then don't drop it[/quote]

Okay thank you

[quote=shikachibi]So if I found a maple pendant from an orange mushroom a week ago I'm fine? Or do I have to drop that too? Can you not have any maple equips/chaos scrolls/20% scrolls at all?

My brother has a wagner he scrolled himself from 2 anniversaries ago, does he have to drop that? He didn't use any scrolls from the past year on it.[/quote]

Im sorry if I respond to your question in a rude manner, but this question has been asked a million times and has been answered a few times within this thread.

[b]IS THE ITEM EXPLOITED?[/b] (was it gotten by hacking?) If not, then don't drop it

You don't need to drop any of your exploited items or scrolls, if Nexon wanted to rid the game of exploited items/scrolls they could have deleted all of them in a server check.

Instead they are asking you to rid them, when they could easily do it themselves - which shows the nature of their bluff. Nexon's level programming and dedication to maintaining their game means that it will be very unlikely that they'll rid the game of exploited items.

There are so many examples of other exploited items that they have not rid the game of i.e Multiple hammered items, enhanced hacked items, enhance hacked pet equips, multiple scrolled horntail pendants, 50% 2h weapon scrolls, duped white scrolls, previous magical musical note chaos scrolls, duped blue bandanas, duped 27 ATT VSS.

There is little/no chance that they will ban you for having an exploited Chaos scroll unless you have like 1000 on a character which is too bleedingly obvious.

So if I found a maple pendant from an orange mushroom a week ago I'm fine? Or do I have to drop that too? Can you not have any maple equips/chaos scrolls/20% scrolls at all?

My brother has a wagner he scrolled himself from 2 anniversaries ago, does he have to drop that? He didn't use any scrolls from the past year on it.

@TypicalWindian: You should be fine. A lot would be 50+, in my opinion.

[quote=Ftash]Just like that meso exploit hack before? Alot people got hellbanned yes, but what if the person already had a chaos before the exploit, then got 10 more exploited scrolls, and drops 10, wouldn't the legit scroll and the exploited get mixed up?
I'm not sure.
I also would like to know how they track that?[/quote]

[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2021340/]Read GM Yeohan's response[/url] Scroll down it's somewhere in the bottom half. I believe the items have been "flagged". Just like the mesos from the mesos exploit, people were hell banned and had a portion of their mesos removed.

[quote=Traitor]Trade log packets were tracked.[/quote]

Just like that meso exploit hack before? Alot people got hellbanned yes, but what if the person already had a chaos before the exploit, then got 10 more exploited scrolls, and drops 10, wouldn't the legit scroll and the exploited get mixed up?
I'm not sure.
I also would like to know how they track that?

[quote=Ftash]Not really, can you explain to me? ...[/quote]

Trade log packets were tracked.

[quote=Traitor]Can you explain to me how hell banning works? [/quote]

Not really, can you explain to me? ...

[quote=Ftash]That's why I think it's bluff, which might be the best solution for this to do too, since alot of people will drop their exploited chaoses.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't drop your exploited items though, it's just what I think. Since it takes a lot of time and effort to ban all those with exploited items.. might be sortf off impossible.[/quote]

Can you explain to me how hell banning works?

[quote=DaNo0b]They can't. They're going to mass ban then pick up the scraps later. Another stupid decision in a long chain of Nexon failures.[/quote]

That's why I think it's bluff, which might be the best solution for this to do too, since alot of people will drop their exploited chaoses.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't drop your exploited items though, it's just what I think. Since it takes a lot of time and effort to ban all those with exploited items.. might be sortf off impossible.

[quote=Mmaple]My thread just got deleted for discussing hacks. O_O. Didn't you answer my thread a few weeks ago saying hack threads in general are not allowed under any circumstances? I get that you're a mod, but isn't hack discussion not allowed because you guys don't want it on the website at all?

*My thread that got deleted was discussing the exploit as well*[/quote]

Yes but discussion how to work the exploit and how to stop yourself from getting banned/involved in the exploit is another matter.

lmao yea 100k? yea might aswell drop it

[quote=Mapl3r]lolz erm i bought a maple thief shield for 100k, now im considering whether to drop it or not since it could be an exploited piece. no at that time i thought he was just nooby so i was happy nw i dun no wut to do with it, drop it or keep?....>.<[/quote]
That is most likely exploited. If it's too good to be true, it probably is. Keep it if you think it's legit, dispose of it if you're paranoid or think it's exploited.

That and 100k is chumps change, no offense to those who 100k means a lot to them.

lolz erm i bought a maple thief shield for 100k, now im considering whether to drop it or not since it could be an exploited piece. no at that time i thought he was just nooby so i was happy nw i dun no wut to do with it, drop it or keep?....>.<

So what if i bought a maple wep from someone does that count as a exploited item?

So...what would be the Gross Domestic Product of MS now...

OT: Why couldn't they have just deleted Chaos Scrolls from the database (including legit ones, since its near impossible to tell them apart, seeing how they stack), and then reintroduce them at a later date?

Oooh, another Bera based mod to stalk.

Oh @Kevvl: nice thread making skills

LMAO @ this thread.

I was about to submit a suggestion ticket because I was getting tired of seeing the same thing over and over... So thanks I guess lol. You should probably limit thread creation (if you can.. that might be Mr. Basil) when the bans kick in though, based off of the majority of the comments I've seen. It'll be fun to see how empty the game gets next week lol.

Useful Nexon links: [url=http://maplestory.nexon.net/News/News.aspx?boardNo=106&contentNo=00C2z&pageIndex=1]Announcement[/url] [url=http://forum.nexon.net/MapleStory/forums/thread/7279615.aspx]Forum announcement[/url]

[quote=OmgItzGarrett]but, why do you care how many threads pop up?[/quote]
Because it's my job to keep the forums browseable. If there are three hundred identical threads, then it's pretty hard to talk about anything.

[quote=Asemco]Kevvl's making a million official threads. I don't like this one bit. >.>[/quote]

Yeah at this point it's kinda ridiculous, but this is pretty necessary.

Good thing i used all my Chaos scrolls before the SC
Got some pretty pro Chaos scroll'd equipment

[quote=shadowgun58]hey i used a chaos scroll on my zhelm am i going to get ban?[/quote]

No, you are fine, anything expoited scrolled is not going to get you banned. just the scrolls and Weapons(?)

Since my thread was closed,
I'd like to make a few points about the upcoming ban "raid"

[b]- The exploit was out before Thursday, so they can't just ban everyone who has a scroll from the event. Legitimate players obtained these through farmings as well. [/b]

[b]- The item ID for the Chaos scrolls is the same as any other Chaos scrolls. [/b]

[b]- They can't tell when the players got them, there was no time-stamp in the packet.[/b]

[b]- What happens to those people who regular merchant Chaos scrolls, had over 100 in their inventory prior to the exploit, and didn't buy/sell any during this time? [/b]

If Nexon goes apeshiz and bans everyone with a high amount of chaos, you'll be stuck. I recommend that you SS your inventories, and sell/drop the exploited items, even if you obtained them legitimately. If they don't ban anyone, send in a ticket complaining that you got rid of them in fear of an illegitimate ban, and now you want compensation because it was a false alarm.

On a side note, hats off to you hackers who obtained ludicrous amounts of the Maple Tree Chairs, which probably aren't going to be checked.

CTR+F+Broke
8 "Brokes"... oops... now ten "brokes"...gah...

Smart man

Well, wait till the 15th when you see 500 basilers making threads about their bans

thank you!