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[quote=OMGRegister]Suspended for helping someone, where the mod post wasn't what the poster wanted help with.[/quote]

Mr. Basil was emailed about it yesterday to remove it. I'm waiting to hear back still. I will admit to that being my bad, I'm sorry. Trying to get it removed for you.

As for this thread, it has severed it's purpose. It's turning into flame land. If you have an issue with a suspension, submit a ticket. If you don't hear back or it's not removed, then Mr. Basil himself either gave it to you personally or agreed with it. If you have a question about why you got suspended or want to see your record, PM a mod.

The time when moderators did their job correctly is long long gone. There are far more users, making the underqualified, incompetent people that are supposed to be doing such a thing panic and put themselves ahead of their duty. Many times arguments or thoughts that are just a bit too strong will get deleted and the user suspended for a week, while trolls often go up to an hour (or more) without getting suspended, and in the end they only get around one or two days.

I am not saying that they should be hard on trolls, but that they should be FAR less strict with regular users. Of course this will never happen when the only qualifications for a moderator are being famous on basil and posting often.

If posting this gets me suspended [i]again[/i] for something insignificant this will have proven my point a hundredfold.

edit: there are a few of them that are acceptable. However, over the years most haven't been up to the job.

[quote=LeaderOfGLARB]Anybody supporting "Gays" on basil needs to be banned immediately.[/quote]

Submit a ticket. Although I doubt you'll get what you want. At this moment people who post seriously homohating comments lose their accounts. And please read the rules.

[quote=scorp989]I agree that its Mr. Basil's right to say what the rules are... But sometimes a single person making the rules does not work out well... (ex.Stalin)[/quote]

That example doesn't even compare to this situation.....obviously a country =/= a website. Rules on a site have almost no effect on anyone, but laws of a country effects every single person as an individual and breaking those laws comes with consequences that are way harsher than being banned for a day

[quote=Sirenheart]And then sooner or later a mod is gonna come in this thread and say

[b]THIS IS MR.BASIL'S WEBSITE. HE DOES WHAT HE WANT WITH IT.[/b]

Which is kind of true, but still everyone knows how ridiculous the modding and rules are of this site.

But whatever, you get used to it. I've been suspended a million times and account-banned like 5 times and I'm still here. Mr Basil doesn't give a crap about Chat Island or any other section besides General Section, because this site is made for MapleStory, and only little kids play maple, or at least, they start to play maple when young.
You can tell Mr.B doesn't give a crap about us when you see him remove profil3 and custom avatars.

Last time I got banned, I got banned for adding a Z on the end of "shi". Like what the hell rofl, if it's not censored, why is it bannable? It's just another word honestly.[/quote]

I agree that its Mr. Basil's right to say what the rules are... But sometimes a single person making the rules does not work out well... (ex.Stalin)

bulbasaur is blocked? (test)

[quote=BreezyChan]Having a "site talk" section is completely useless as I am starting to realize. I don't think Mr.Basil has ever addressed a single problem brought forward on these forums. There must be at least 4 or 5 topics surrounding these issues with at least 50 or more pages total yet Mr.Basil is of course, once again, no where to be found. I'm sure he has no problem though logging in every day to check how much revenue hes making.[/quote]
Oddly enough, he suggested that we close the Site Talk section about a year ago. Since you can just submit tickets about issues, there's hardly any point to discussing them. But, we decided to keep it open so that users can still have a place to discuss issues.

[quote=BreezyChan]If you don't like them then why do you choose to say nothing instead of speaking out as well?[/quote]
We do, actually. There's a [b]lot[/b] of behind the scenes work we mods do based on discussions here in the Site Section and suggestions or complaints from users. Ultimately there are some things that we cannot change.

[quote=gsxcargo]If you want a forum ruled by the people, go to chan and you'll see how well that turned out

and banning people for 3rd person speech is a move <- banme [/quote]

never said i wanted a forum ruled by the people did i?

1. Keep moderators off the forums (no offense) (or maybe they only post when necessary?)
Why?
Because they get to know the people they are banning, AKA, they can decide to treat people unfairly if they are friends with the person, or over extend someones punishment because they don't like the person.

[b]moderators are chosen for a reason.. it's not like they're going to be biased.[/b]

2. Loosen up with the memes restrictions. Not everyone is a troll. (or are they?)
Why?
Memes make people laugh, when you take away memes, its taking away a little bit of life from the internet.

[b]there are other forums to use memes on.[/b]

3. Less thread sections!
Why?
For example, there are many classes, and sections for each class, those should all stay the same, but there's also sections where pretty much NO ONE goes. Like the "Tech" section, or the "site talk" section. And there are the "Chat" and "Fun" sections. What's the difference? Stuff like that. It just bugs me but it's nothing too major.

[b]it's to keep from have reoccurring threads like 'rate me'[/b]

4. Less posting restrictions in general.
Why?
There are so many restrictions on posting it becomes unbearable at some point or extent. I can't post an extensive thread without getting a message that says "you cant say the word "f to the a to the p (can't say that)"" or something along those lines, when in reality I might just be trying to talk about this.

[b]use different words.[/b]

[quote=discoking99]@Pavchka

ROFL i'm that bad?[/quote]

Not at all, but... there are three comments in which you mainly saw qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq etc. and each of them is too big to fit into one PM apparently. Bizarre. Okay, I'll just list those and PM you the rest.

@Pavchka

ROFL i'm that bad?

[quote=discoking99]@Pavchka: Thankyou so much =D[/quote]

I'll have to do it in two pieces. There are a few artworks on there that together exceed the word limit. XD

@Pavchka: Thankyou so much =D

[quote=discoking99]Can a mod tell me my bans? I wanna see em =P

OT: Yes with TS. I admit i have trolled before, but anyone remember combopenguin? He trolled screenies for a long time. He trolls for a month or more, and i get banned for saying, "It's C[b]old[/b] in here." a few times. And how does basil block you from making a new account? One gets banned and then you make another. Do they IP block you or something?[/quote]

Eventually a person's IP is blocked if s/he only appears to visit Basil to troll or attack people... or in one case spread inappropriate pictures. (haven't seen him in a long time) If a person keeps trolling or spamming or whatevering you can PM any moderator except Eeveepony about it (her PM had to be turned off because she was receiving harassment) and we'll look into him or her.

I'll PM you your record right away.

Can a mod tell me my bans? I wanna see em =P

OT: Yes with TS. I admit i have trolled before, but anyone remember combopenguin? He trolled screenies for a long time. He trolls for a month or more, and i get banned for saying, "It's C[b]old[/b] in here." a few times. And how does basil block you from making a new account? One gets banned and then you make another. Do they IP block you or something?

[quote=Eeveepony]Going to be really honest Ravvy and you know I <3 you. I think it's a bit of both the community being immature, and Mr. Basil being a bit strict. If it were up to me, the language restrictions would decrease, we could at least discuss sex and general teenage issues as well as warn people with proof about hackers and scammers. For other things though, the community doesn't have the maturity level to handle things without pissing everyone else off.

I've never once seen a perfect forum and I belong/belonged to some that make this look like a free-for-all. I was permabanned for saying the B word, as well as using "lame" in another community. I was then given a final warning in yet another for not understanding how mohawks are a MAJOR violation of cultural appropriation[/quote]

Something similar happened to me when I commented on how I didn't like how the looks of a forum had changed- the webmaster then posted a banner on the front page that said "Als je dit niet leuk vindt Inkspitter dan hoef je niet meer terug te komen" ("If you don't like this Inkspitter you won't have to come back" ) and suspended me (I was called Inkspitter there. It was a small Dutch WoW forum).

I think we've al ran into corruption and unfair treatment. I like to think that although I do make mistakes I like to think not corrupt. I'm the one who validly deleted the first Bandit achievement thread because there was a violation in the original comment. I have Extremed friends. I have Extremed "famous" Basilers. While trying to fix problems in the Beginner section I gave my identity away. The people who were suspended during the process knew who had suspended them. I put myself at risk there.

[quote=ravkin]The only way strictness would be taken away is if the community can mature up.
The rules/regulations/policies are the way they are because of the community.
Its a cause and effect where the community causes a problem and MrBasil puts stricter restrictions into effect.

Blame your fellow Basilers before blaming the mods/rules/MrBasil.[/quote]

Going to be really honest Ravvy and you know I <3 you. I think it's a bit of both the community being immature, and Mr. Basil being a bit strict. If it were up to me, the language restrictions would decrease, we could at least discuss sex and general teenage issues as well as warn people with proof about hackers and scammers. For other things though, the community doesn't have the maturity level to handle things without pissing everyone else off.

I've never once seen a perfect forum and I belong/belonged to some that make this look like a free-for-all. I was permabanned for saying the B word, as well as using "lame" in another community. I was then given a final warning in yet another for not understanding how mohawks are a MAJOR violation of cultural appropriation

[quote=Pavchka]I saw more people post that "keep the moderators away from the forums" suggestion.

So uh...

I wouldn't see any reason for me to stay if that'd happen.[/quote]

Same. I'm here for the community. If I was just here to mod the website and nothing else, lolkbye. You'd also get mods who are too far removed from the community to care about it and too far removed to understand jokes within it.

I saw more people post that "keep the moderators away from the forums" suggestion.

So uh...

No thanks. I'd rather go back to being a regular Basiler instead of a mute buttkicker.

i 100% completely agree with this
and i afree with a lot of the comments about basil, it's moderators (some), and mr.basil

@SpriterAlex:

oh ok thanks

@SilverStrato: If it's such a big deal to you, complain to the proper person, not us, yeah? We don't make the rules that we have to follow.

[quote=BreezyChan]Flawed logic. It doesn't surprise me, though.

If you are going to treat people like kids then they will act like kids. Treat them like adults and they will act like adults.[/quote]

What logic is that? Should I treat my 5 year old kid that I'm supposed to babysit like an adult? Let him cook his own meals, mow the lawn and do heavy labour.

Yes genius logic.

[quote=stevenman76]What is a parody thread? You can either quote me or pm me... please tell me.[/quote]

A parody thread is a thread that made with similarity to another thread for mocking purposes.

Serious Thread:
Title = Help, depressed about Uncle dying.
Post = My Uncle died. I was very close to him, etc, etc.
Serious thread becomes popular for a few days, many Basilers are sympathetic

Parody Thread
Title = Help, depressed that goldfish died.
Post = My goldfish died. I was very close to him. Except he was a fatty and smelled. I think that's what lead my cat to eat him. Then my cat died, then my parents, and then I died. Life sucks, please give me sympathy.
This thread is obviously mocking the other thread. It has a similar, title, post, etc. They're usually made to this way so people who read the previous thread will see it and flame it. Parodying a thread is flamebaiting and trolling. Which isn't allowed on Basil.

[quote=DrHye]Even if you don't consider it a meme, a comment that says "too long didn't read" is just spam or a bump. It doesn't help the thread at all, just a pointless comment. So even if you don't see it as a meme, it doesn't change what rule it falls under[/quote]

see? stuff like this is why the site rules on posting are complete crap.

Why does it matter that much if it didn't help the thread at all?. It was just a comment... you can post whatever you want.. </3

What is a parody thread? You can either quote me or pm me... please tell me.

[quote=RoflPandar]I got banned for making a "parody thread" when I just made a thread with similar layout to another thread, for a different reason.[/quote]
*Checks*

Yeah, that was definitely a parody. We wouldn't be so strict on them if users didn't spam them like mad at every opportunity.

I got banned for making a "parody thread" when I just made a thread with similar layout to another thread, for a different reason.

[quote=Almrit]It's a stretch to call too long didn't read a meme. It's often intended to mark text that those people too lazy to read the full post can read as a summary. And usually, it reflects the truth, that something was too long and the user didn't feel like reading it (Though I suppose you could argue that if they were too lazy to read it, they shouldn't have responded in the first place)

Edit: In other words, the phrase is usually meant literally and is not just said because it's a "meme."[/quote]

Even if you don't consider it a meme, a comment that says "too long didn't read" is just spam or a bump. It doesn't help the thread at all, just a pointless comment. So even if you don't see it as a meme, it doesn't change what rule it falls under

@nl4life: I think this will explain it better than I can [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_meme]link[/url] And I'll also add that by the time something becomes a meme it's usually not funny anymore because it's so overused.

[quote=ChocoSword]La revolution!
Although the thread will be closed eventually. The mods know they have too much power. I've been suspended for dumb reasons and soemtimes they don't make sense. Instead, give a warning or delete the post. You guys are mods and if someone pass the warning, you have the rights to suspend. I lost all my medals and I felt like I got cheated. Mods are like the communist internet police, almost everything is restricted...
Why aren't there mods that give out warning, deletes the post or see if it actually against the rules? I mean if I said, mods are like communists, I would be banned. I clearly did not mention names, I am comparing, I am not harassing with vulgar language, and I am not saying that it can be basil mods, forums mods, game mods.
I'm fed up with this and I just come and go by. This is why many old mods don't want to be mods, abusive power.[/quote]

"Suspended for dumb reasons"

All your suspensions are valid, so are you only complaining because you didn't read the rules? And yes, I checked, so I did "see if it is actually against the rules."

@MindSpaz:

1. Oh, I didn't mean to say YOU were hatin' on us, it's just users in general will hate us for some reason, and people will find a reason to complain if we don't post.

2. The only memes I see on your suspension record is "combo breaker", which is obviously not allowed. Also, [url=http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tldr#.Ti70i4J4KyY]"too long didn't read" is a meme.[/url]

3. Agreed, just wanted to say mrbasil has no immediate intentions of doing anything with Fun.

4. I'm not seeing a suspension like that on your record, either. Anyways, C@PCOM is filtered because he's a well-known hacker in MS. Though he's kinda fallen off the radar and I think he should be taken off the filter. Either way, we mods should be suspending by context, so whoever does happen to suspend you for referring to C@PCOM the developer, they'll get a stern talkin'-to.

[quote=RandomPieBoy]Yeah, the rules are fine but the level of enforcement is stupid. The interpretation of the rules is so subjective that [b]anyone could be banned for pretty much any post[/b] if the mods wanted. It's pretty obvious that they just like to keep banning certain people no matter what they say.
[/quote]

Yeah, I got a thread deleted once (and a warning) only because one of the poll options was "irrelevant." Which apparently goes against the no "Trolling and Spamming" rule. How am I trolling or spamming? I've read threw this rules description, even the more detailed version, and I still can't comprehend how I broke it with my poll option. Besides, people have irrelevant poll options all the time and there threads never get removed.

The rules need to be way more detailed than they actual are. People need to know exactly what they can and can't do on the site.

[quote=BreezyChan]Flawed logic. It doesn't surprise me, though.

If you are going to treat people like kids then they will act like kids. Treat them like adults and they will act like adults.[/quote]

Not always. Chain posting was a minor offense before half the site thought it would be great to make problems. Mr. Basil then took it from warning/minor level, to perma-ban level.

@ChocoSword: The old mods quit because they hated eachother and they hated Mr. Basil. Also, some of them moved onto their real lives. Minor offenses get warnings and deletions. Looking at your suspensions however, you broke clear cut and common sense rules, some of them more than once. Warnings would do what in your case? Warn that you broke a rule for a third time? You have ONE warning and that is for something you did once. The others, you have 3 of one rule and 2 of another.

We don't make the rules and the harshest enforcer on this site, is the creator himself. Don't want harsh rules? You have 3 options.

A) Get lots of people to submit tickets, complaining
b) Act more mature and don't be so impulsive with your actions
c) find a new forum.

Sometimes the rules suck. Sometimes they are overbearing and a bit too nanny. However, we don't get our kicks suspending people. We really don't. Most of us are here because we like helping the site. I've left forums because I couldn't stand their stupid awful rules. It ruined the experience. If you hate it so much here with the rules you really can't change, why do you stay where you are unhappy?

[quote=Eeveepony]This is true. I single handedly wrote every rule to annoy users [/quote]

Scrap for future reference

I don't agree.

Basil if quite frankly is fulled with delusional teenagers who honestly can't be trusted in the slightest. It promotes a forum where well thought out posts are deemed "show off", and any substance of hard work deemed "no life".

Worst of all, it is many of the users think they know scientific knowledge from "layman's definitions" or from wrongly/far too basic concepts they've learnt in high school and use this as their arsenal.

Half the community habitually whines and complains about how suspensions are unfair, and how moderators are out to get them. This half conveniently is also to a large extent the users that would love to be a moderator. To top it off, they're melodramatic as hell, "I got suspended for 1 day, my life is over, down with MrB!", yet 5 minutes later I see the user post "I have to be in a fight tomorrow, I know kung fu (black belt) taken down 5 kids 1v5, gimme some advice". I can smell the stench of your bs 50 gigabytes away.

If you want a different ethos, change forum.

@sfphil: Well, it does say to make sure you put it in the right section o.o

[quote=sfphil]I love you, I only read the title, but I love you.[/quote]

I know you do. :L But with out the sarcasm this time.

[quote=TrampMonkey]Too long; didn't read.

No, but seriously, I read it all and I'll just reply to the suggestions.

1. Actually, ever since us three new mods came on board, we've been actively working on moderating consistently across the board. Also, bias is a big no-no and will get us fired with a blink of an eye. Besides, if we don't post, then people will think we're not active and we'll be hated for that. Whatever we do, there will be something to hate us for, so changing the way we post isn't going to change a thing.

2. [b]You can post memes as long as you're on-topic.[/b] This has ALWAYS been the case. Case in point, I said "too long; didn't read"

3. We mods have been talking about all the class sections, actually. Thief, Warrior, etc. get a lot of attention because they're general, but when you go to the specific sections, like Dark Knight or Buccaneer, there's significantly less activity. "Fun" was actually made because Chat was getting way too big and mrbasil wanted to reduce the spam a bit, but now he may just get rid of Fun (MAYBE).

4. Let's be realistic here. Upon googling that word and looking at the Wikipedia page that references anything to do with that word, I don't see people talking about those terms very much, if at all. Also, it doesn't look like any words in English contain that letter combination, so it would be clear what you were using that word for, and it's clear that it's inappropriate.

All of these rules were formed around [b]MapleStory and its fanbase.[/b] Consider how young they can be and you'll see why they may seem strict. My honest opinion: yes, the rules are mainly to protect the 13 and younger age group, but if you're older than that, it shouldn't be hard at all to understand the rules and abide by them. I seriously don't see what's so "strict" about these rules, so if anyone could enlighten me, that would be appreciated.[/quote]

First I would like to say that I don't hate any of the moderators, there is no reason for hate, it's just a website. And plus all of them are generally nice people behind the avatars.

For #2, I have posted memes before when they were on topic and been banned for it. Many times. (Also, Too long; Didn't read is more of a saying not a meme.)

For #3, As I said this is more of something that annoys me, nothing too major.

#4, I have tried to make a thread about C@PCOM (Yes that's right, you can't say THAT either, seriously why?) games and then got banned for it because I was bypassing the filter by saying "C@PCOM" because previously you weren't allowed to say that.

[quote=Kevvl]A vast majority of restrictions can be blamed on the user base abusing what little slack we give them. Even with all the filters, swearing is a huge problem. Memes were spammed to all hell and generally used for nothing but trolling -- thankfully we only deal with them in those instances. The filter? We only add something when it's abused. A lot of the odd .word things are filtered because some folks thought it'd be cool to hack basil accounts (why?).

Honestly I wish Basil was the type of place where we wouldn't need so many restrictions. Unfortunately it is, and that's not really up to us mods.[/quote]

I actually agree 100% with this. I understand why the restrictions are there its just the filter that mostly bugs me.

[quote=LimusocoBobo]Thanks MindSpaz for your almighty opinion and your brief shpill on your idealism about cursing and how it should be handled. I'm sure you're right about this and all. But, I'll just let you know this ahead of time before you get all worked up... Basilmarket will not allow cursing or other disruptive/distracting behavior like excessive meme use for years to come. So don't bet on it.[/quote]

Love the sarcastic tone.

OT: I realize they won't allow cursing, I never expected them too.

1. I will be the first one to quit being a mod if mrbasil was ever stupid enough to do that.
2. You can uses memes/make jokes as long as you also add a helpful part to your post. Jokes are usually a bit lenient, but if it's a meme, for whatever reason, that's more suspension-worthy.
3. Nope, it's fine as it is. And we've talked about it to mrb too, so I'm convinced it's fine as it is.
4. I'm sure you can find a way around that if it's actually an appropriate post you're trying to make.

I agree with every single word you have said! You should mention this to Mr.B NO! you should run this site 8D!

"1. Keep moderators off the forums (no offense) (or maybe they only post when necessary?)"

Yeah, I stopped after that.
It's just...

Do you [b]REALIZE[/b] what this is asking?
Honestly?

I just can't even describe... o.o

I once thought the same way you did about 2 years ago. Now, I feel like the current mods are pretty good (no more 1 week suspensions), and that the rules are fine the way they are. You'll get used to it.

[quote=Eeveepony]Report these posts you see against the rules. Also, please read the rules you just agreed to when signing up. Especually this part: [b]Do not try to bypass the filter by misspelling words or masking letters. It does not change the intent. If you do not show restraint, you will be jailed.[/b]

And also that whole rule 10 thing. Don't make new accounts to post when you got suspended for not reading them in the first place.[/quote]

Just a quick FYI, no one ever reads those rules. It's true, same with "I agree to these terms and conditions" things you find on any app or program or whatever.

Just sayin'.

Basil is fine, but it has childish feel to it... There's also a "mommy is looking at you" thing to it.

But i won't complain anymore, i'll just get banned again.

[quote=BassChanter]puppies are cute?[/quote]

I second this motion

I 100% agree, and i would go somewhere else if there was another site. I got banned because i PM'd mrbasil about that i couldn't add my character to basil, guess it was easier than actually doing something about it o.o

I like the site, but all these rules really ruin it. I'm in the finnish navy and WE dont have this much disciplin.

Please don't bann me for this..

Sometimes you just have to realise this is a forum for an online game with an extensive young audience. A lot of things just aren't appropriate. If you want to be on a forum with less restrictions, you need to go to other forums.

[quote=voltex89]I got suspended for making a poll that had the option "Yum Jam" in it -_-[/quote]
You mean to tell me that having a poll about, let's say presidents, and having a random "I LIKE PIE" option is appropriate? This is why polls will probably never go over four options.

I got suspended for making a poll that had the option "Yum Jam" in it -_-