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@cool123ter: but sweety you can play games without using the tv functionality,
can't you play games on a PC while it has the ability to do work, play all kinds of videos/music, download things, school sutff, etc?

@Suryoyo: In the end they acknowledged they were breached and compensated for it. I'm saying Sony as a company is no where as strong as a company like Microsoft. Even so Sony does have the better specs. The difference is we are GAMERS. We want to play games. We don't want a TV watching 24/7. We just want to play GAMES. We don't want "the future". Nor do we want the "are you a programmer? no so its not that easy to DRM so dont say that" -5 days later- oh we turned off the DRM switch.

[quote=cool123ter]@Suryoyo: Yea, PSN has its problems but what did they do when they had this problem? They never tried to hide the fact that they had been hacked, sony is no where up to par as Microsoft at the end of the day Sony delivered a VIDEO GAME CONSOLE, which is what people in the gaming industry want not a 500 dollar always looking at you tv.[/quote]
as far as i remember sony kept denying it in the beginning
and in what way does Microsofts console differ from Sony's console?
they both play games, the difference is Microsoft added some TV functionality to it so it can multitask now
so basically you have a gaming console + extra TV functionality which doesn't need to be used

@Suryoyo: Yea, PSN has its problems but what did they do when they had this problem? They never tried to hide the fact that they had been hacked, sony is no where up to par as Microsoft at the end of the day Sony delivered a VIDEO GAME CONSOLE, which is what people in the gaming industry want not a 500 dollar always looking at you tv.

[quote=cool123ter]@skullowls: LOL. IT does matter if it plays game CAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN ADVERTISING IT AS SOMETHING THAT JUST DOESNT PLAY GAMES. Are you kidding me? What are you on drugs? All this time they are claiming it to be the "future". This isn't a video game console this is a spy machine. Clearly something wrong with your listening skills. And btw maybe 1% of people will go back to microsoft, its like saying my sister would go back dating a guy that abused her.[/quote]

BUT WHO CARES? NO ONE! If it can play games, people will use it to play games, you don't HAVE to use the other features. Dude, grow up. My listening skills? really? because they've stated Kinect can turn off but yet you're here yelling at me because what, it can do MORE then just play games? Are you retarded?. 1%? Its gone up by maybe about 30%-50%.

Take your keyboard warrior rage somewhere else.
"He just bolded the part where you can play 360 games"
Um, no, its says games will work LIKE they do on the 360, that doesn't mean its backwards compatible, it means that the used game system will work as it does on the 360 currently. Hypocrite.

[quote=skullowls]What does this mean?

No more always online requirement
The console no longer has to check in every 24 hours
[b]All game discs will work on Xbox One as they do on Xbox 360[/b]
An Internet connection is only required when initially setting up the console
All downloaded games will function the same when online or offline
No additional restrictions on trading games or loaning discs
Region locks have been dropped[/quote]

Ok thanks for clearing it up.

@skullowls: LOL. IT does matter if it plays game CAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN ADVERTISING IT AS SOMETHING THAT JUST DOESNT PLAY GAMES. Are you kidding me? What are you on drugs? All this time they are claiming it to be the "future". This isn't a video game console this is a spy machine. Clearly something wrong with your listening skills. And btw maybe 1% of people will go back to microsoft, its like saying my sister would go back dating a guy that abused her.

@jjgpirate
dont listen to @skullowls he didnt even answer your questions he just bolded the fact that you can play 360 games.
But yes if you read the article Microsoft is allowing the selling of games.

[quote=jjgpirate]@cool123ter: What do you mean? o.o[/quote]

What does this mean?

No more always online requirement
The console no longer has to check in every 24 hours
[b]All game discs will work on Xbox One as they do on Xbox 360[/b]
An Internet connection is only required when initially setting up the console
All downloaded games will function the same when online or offline
No additional restrictions on trading games or loaning discs
Region locks have been dropped

[quote=cool123ter]Still can't read. I see something wrong with your eyes?

@skullowls
Get a reality check if you think Microsoft has any shot to be up to par with sony. If you made a product that had features that 99% of the community you are marketing to, HATE and your presales are sh, you can't expect the community to just be oh its ok I love you microsoft. You don't know what you are talking about. You seriously can't expect to forgive someone that gave you the middle finger then said oh I'm sorry it was an accident. Not only did Microsoft do this to the gaming community but they did this to people who wanted to advertise the xbox one. IF you even watched Angry Joes interview with Nelson or the video of Don Mattrick saying oh you got no internet access? well GO F* yourself and use hardware from the previous generation.[/quote]

funny, i remember how PSN was down for weeks, Sony denied it, leaked private data of hundreds of people
and then said ''oh we are so sorry, accept our apologize and some free games''
you don't hear anybody talking about it now do you?

@cool123ter: What do you mean? o.o

@cool123ter: Does anyone really care as long as it plays games? No, if you do then you need to pull your head out of the gutter, people who don't want those features won't use them, what about that is so hard to understand?

I'm not expecting anyone to do anything, I'm not trying to tell people to go out and buy an xbox so what are you really complaining to me about? Nothing, you're trying to blame microsofts faults on me, fact is when they removed DRM a lot of people decided they'll give it a chance, myself included.

Don Mattrick is an idiot, everyone knows that and he doesn't know what he's doing but saying "Can't afford a PS3, get a second job" isn't any more acceptable.

I think you need to get your mind out of the gutter, grow up and push your blind fury somewhere else.

[quote=jjgpirate]Still cant use used games. Not impressed.
I will never trust microsoft after both my xbox and xbox360 got the red ring of death in 1 month.[/quote]

Still can't read. I see something wrong with your eyes?

@skullowls
Get a reality check if you think Microsoft has any shot to be up to par with sony. If you made a product that had features that 99% of the community you are marketing to, HATE and your presales are sh, you can't expect the community to just be oh its ok I love you microsoft. You don't know what you are talking about. You seriously can't expect to forgive someone that gave you the middle finger then said oh I'm sorry it was an accident. Not only did Microsoft do this to the gaming community but they did this to people who wanted to advertise the xbox one. IF you even watched Angry Joes interview with Nelson or the video of Don Mattrick saying oh you got no internet access? well GO F* yourself and use hardware from the previous generation.

@Suryoyo: I've got to correct you on that, gddr5 is pretty supperior to ddr3 even if it was 4gb agaisnt 4gb the gddr5 would still be pretty far ahead, but I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes console wise if that's what you meant but Infamous second son uses about 6gb of gddr5 it looks amazing has destructive enviroments and its open world opposed to Ryse which seems pretty linear. But you're right, the difference in graphics will be small.

@Spiritual2: I'm not even defending, I don't care, I'm just posting information. Why is it that every thread related to Xbox you're bashing it? Are you some kind of concieted fanboy?. "Its over" the console hasn't even launched yet, it really is sad when people can be this stupid.

[quote=skullowls]Was just implying they're better on PS4.
@Chat:
Is someone angry? Lol how cute, I know what I'm talking about, its 1.2 terraflops vs 1.8, using the system of terraflop to compare power means that the hardware and architecture are extremely similar and since its only a 0.6 difference that means the difference is smaller, developers such as the legendary Kojima who has worked with both consoles has said the difference is very small. Lol, you look up facts? You don't know what you're talking about, the only real difference is that the PS4 has more RAM. When you've done actual research and you're a developer for consoles, then you can open your mouth like its fact, until then. Plz shut up.[/quote]

Good to see somebody who is well informed about the consoles
it was also said that the RAM barely makes any difference, 7 GB GDDR5 vs 5GB DDR3 and 32(?)mb ESRAM are almost equal.
a Game developer stated 5GB isn't really needed now, 3 GB was more than enough to make games with unbelievable graphics
also one crucial factor is the software and API's in which Microsoft has the advantage over Sony.

but in general, the graphics will most likely be equal.

@jjgpirate: sweety the lord gave you eyes to read, please use it
and let me guess, you placed your xbox inside your stove?

Still cant use used games. Not impressed.
I will never trust microsoft after both my xbox and xbox360 got the red ring of death in 1 month.

I love how you say all sites are crashing yet you post a REDDIT link on here. On the irony.

I was getting both consoles regardless....

I don't really care what they do or don't change.

It's too late they're dead.

Hahahaha. Wow. What? I'll wait and see.

Also, I'm sorry, but this just makes them look like incompetent fools. They've planned this whole elaborate DRM business and it has blown up in their faces. All the while they're preaching about how wonderful their plan is and how worthless their customers are. This isn't about improving customer relations. This isn't a favor. This is about screwing over consumers for money.

btw I didn't write this

[quote=SilverFoxR]Honestly, this is good news for gamers. The gaming community cried out with a collective "NO" and Microsoft finally listened.[/quote]
they technically weren't listening to the gamers. they're deaf in that sense.
they just noticed their money pool was going to feel a little shallow, so they did what they should've done but nothing above that

[quote=gangar32]Give me one reason why the ps4 is better than xbox one[/quote]

100 dollaaaaaaaaaa
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md1yfw1Dcz1rsx19no1_1280.png
other than that, nothing & purely by prefereance. i'm just finally happy playstation is done with their mushroom analog sticks

[quote=SilverFoxR]Honestly, this is good news for gamers. The gaming community cried out with a collective "NO" and Microsoft finally listened. It's probably because they knew that not copying Sony's path would cost them a lot of lost consumers, but the fact that they listened is still good. We told them vehemently that we did not want these restrictions and they have listened.

I must say, I have gained a little of respect for Microsoft. There are still issues with the XBox One, but it's a much more viable console option now.

I will say that the Kinect voice control still bothers me... how will it differentiate between whether you want it to do something or just talking to someone. Say, for example, I was talking to friends and said "I love how much this new XBox offers gamers." In that phrase, would the Kinect mic pick up "XBox, off" and shut down or would it ignore it? How could it ignore it?

Still, that is a minor annoyance... anyways, I have to say... Kudos, Microsoft... you did something right.

Now just don't screw it up.[/quote]

Reminds me of Netflix. However they changed it a little to late... What did their stocks drop by? Like 300$?

@SplitMoon: There is proof, google it. Bayonetta 2 was taken to Microsoft and Sony a while ago while it was in development and they both refused it, Nintendo saved it by making it exclusive, it has nothing to do with Sega.
@SilverFoxR: You can turn it off and the only command it will listen for is Xbox On or Kinect On so if you turn it off it can't do that.

Honestly, this is good news for gamers. The gaming community cried out with a collective "NO" and Microsoft finally listened. It's probably because they knew that not copying Sony's path would cost them a lot of lost consumers, but the fact that they listened is still good. We told them vehemently that we did not want these restrictions and they have listened.

I must say, I have gained a little of respect for Microsoft. There are still issues with the XBox One, but it's a much more viable console option now.

I will say that the Kinect voice control still bothers me... how will it differentiate between whether you want it to do something or just talking to someone. Say, for example, I was talking to friends and said "I love how much this new XBox offers gamers." In that phrase, would the Kinect mic pick up "XBox, off" and shut down or would it ignore it? How could it ignore it?

Still, that is a minor annoyance... anyways, I have to say... Kudos, Microsoft... you did something right.

Now just don't screw it up.

@SplitMoon: They've said they won't allow DRM. Microsoft declared its up o the publisher. I'm using Bayonetta 2 as a reffrence that if a company doesn't want something the publisher can not put it there, every game has to be approved before its sold.

[quote=RedAssasinz]there is no proof of it running 600 series and running 700 seems highly possible to me
marketing and demoing a console running pc hardware is obviously frowned upon[/quote]

Both are highly possible, but none of the games look like they were running on a 700 series or using any of Nvida's software, do you know why? In the Ryse demo the clothing models were terrible, you could easily see the decorations repeadidly pass through his manskirt even in the cutscene. Either way it was a devkit.

Besides they've been doing this for years now, they did it to a worse degree with the 360 by putting a 360 outside and having PC's running inside.

[quote=Thiefy996]@skullowls Maybe it's just me, but I have yet to see ANY game that incorporates the Kinect to an acceptable degree. It usually just feels shoehorned in as a novelty. And I doubt there'll be that many developers using it just because it is mandatory now.
Also, why should people stop whining now? That's like Hitler going "Alright alright, then maybe I WON'T try to take over the world. What, ya guys are still pissed? Sheesh, whining much?".[/quote]

Lol comparing video games to a man who started one of the world's worst genocides..yes..

[quote=SplitMoon]@skullowls: You mentioned Online-only games like Destiny and Warframe, I remember. Those are designed to be strictly Online Games, so there's no point in arguing whether its DRM or not. It has to be played Online anyway. But that is not my issue. And whether this is the farthest developers and publishers will go still remains unseen.

Never once did I state a console has to be "always be Online," as the only form of DRM. I've said countless times the dangers of OTHER DRM still being a possibility. Limited use of Single Player. A certain game (not the console itself) may require you to 'check in' perhaps. Don't put words in my mouth.

And if you really want other pieces of evidence, I can range from Square Enix (Tomb Raider) and again to Naughty Dog (Uncharted 3, Last of Us), and Ubisoft (Assassin's Creed III). Each of these games comes with an online pass for their multiplayer components, and each are distinguished Publishers and/or Developers. And yes I know Sony declared no online passes on the PS4. Though Online Passes are gone, my point still stands - Other methods to restrict consumer access to games are still a threat. Just because Xbox One has announced they have dropped their DRM practice, does not mean everyone Publisher or Developer will follow suit.

Please realize that Microsoft and Sony only have control of studios they own. Numerous though they may be, it is NOT the entire market. Third-Party developers can still develop their own form of DRM, as can Publishers seek to pursue means of achieving that.[/quote]

I'm not saying its the only form of DRM but no publisher can go that far I'm going to tell you ONCE again, sony has already said they will not allow that on their console, they don't only have control of the studios they own, if you're going to put something on their console they have the choice to not allow it unless you remove what they don't want. If someone comes into your room and wants to post a poster on your wall that you don't like I'm sure you're not going to let them, its the same situation.

If the company says they will not allow it on their console, then they will not allow it on their console, they have full control on what goes on their console and what doesn't which is what you don't realize, notice how Bayonetta 2 is only on Wii U? its because neither microsoft or sony want to put it on their consoles.

@skullowls: They can change their plans whenever they feel. I really don't trust Microsoft all that much.

@ProBlades: Look at the list before jumping to conclusions. Anything you can do this generation you can do in the next one therefore they can't fufill their plan to get rid of retailers without the inability to sell used games. If you're going to argue with me about this, please argue with the correct information.

@skullowls: Just because they're removing DRM doesn't mean they're changing their intentions.

[quote=ProBlades]@skullowls: Actually, they are trying to get rid of retailers:
http://www.neowin.net/news/anonymous-xbox-engineer-explains-drm-and-microsofts-xbox-one-intentions
Guy basically admits Microsoft's plan is to expedite the apparently inevitable transition to full digital downloads, then take on Steam. This is pretty much the worst thing in the world IMO, so I'd never think of buying an Xbox One.
As for games, yes, opinions are opinions, so whatever.[/quote]

Guess what? That was posted before they announced that they're revoking DRM, I think you should take a look at all the things they're revoking because those things no longer apply.

@skullowls: Actually, they are trying to get rid of retailers:
http://www.neowin.net/news/anonymous-xbox-engineer-explains-drm-and-microsofts-xbox-one-intentions
Guy basically admits Microsoft's plan is to expedite the apparently inevitable transition to full digital downloads, then take on Steam. This is pretty much the worst thing in the world IMO, so I'd never think of buying an Xbox One.
As for games, yes, opinions are opinions, so whatever.

@SplitMoon: You do realize I pretty much just said that's the farthest they could go with that kind of thing, they can't force a console to be always online and etc. Online passes also no longer exist and using "Online passes" in different games mostly published by the same company doesn't make them different pieces of evidence.

Microsoft and Sony can choose not to allow the developer to do such a thing, the final choice is the consoles not the publisher and Sony has already said they wont allow it on the PS4.

@ProBlades: No one wants to play Kinect games because A kinect 1 is pretty useless B no one has made a good kinect game yet, just good features like in Skyrim and Halo CEA.

How good an exclusive is, is purely opinion so you can't use that as an argument. Ryse looks great, it doesn't actually have that many QTE's Crytek said they turned them on quite a bit for the demo and they're also optional to turn off. I think all of those games are worth a purchase, that's MY opinion.

Microsoft's agenda isn't to get rid of retailers, with the new policy change the rules are the exact same as they are this generation. Also they're opening up Xbox stores so you can get more for your games instead of "you bought that last week? I'll give you 2.50 for it"
@imtwocats: I wasn't talking about next next generation consoles though, you took it out of context though and said that, I was simply reffering to that in the future if they battle up hill like sony has no one will rememeber or care about their mistakes as sony has this generation, and who says they wont? You have absolutely no proof or anything to fall back on to say they won't the fact that they're willing to scrap a plan they made in years in a few months shows they're willing to change if you actually complain bout it hard enough, the exact same thing happend with sony.

@skullowls: Well I suppose that makes sense. Though the terminology seems to be mixed usually when talking about it, at least from what I hear.

Where's your evidence that Microsoft will do what Sony did in the past? The only thing that's happened so far is that Microsoft has been trying to clean up their PR disaster by removing DRM and their used games policy. A couple of minutes ago I said we shouldn't talk about the PS5 or Xbox 2 or whatever future console will happen after these. The conversation has been about the Xbox One and you continue to move away from that.

Fine if you don't want to continue discussing anymore. Just say so.

@skullowls: Oh I see now they are supporting used games. That's good. Still, my other 3 points still stand. I know they want developers to work with the Kinect, but the problem is no one wants to play Kinect games. Waste of $100. And you say they have good exclusives, but most of their exclusives were pretty meh. New KI will sell some consoles, Sunset Overdrive looks good, and DR3 could be good, but that's not enough to justify a purchase for most people. Besides Microsoft's main agenda is still to get rid of game retailers, and why would I want to support a company like that?

@imtwocats: They're next gen consoles, they are the next generation of consoles because they come after this generation and they have not arrived yet, just because they're announced doesn't make them current gen consoles until they're finished and shipped.

Most likely? and where is your proof of that? You have none and you have nothing to fall back on. Microsoft is at the same point Sony was, and they're beggining to change their attitude like Sony did. Litteraly a couple minutes ago you were complaining that we should wait until we get there to talk about something that happens in the future and here you are doing the exact same thing.

Stop prematurely judging.

/End of story.

[quote=skullowls]Then you're just wasting your time because you're arguing against something that doesn't really matter, I brought up past sony because microsoft is facing a similar situation and its worked out well for sony so why not for microsoft which is what you don't seem to understand. Xbox One and PS4 aren't current gen consoles until they release.[/quote]

And you don't seem to understand that Microsoft will most likely do things drastically different from what Sony did in the past.

What are the Xbox One and PS4 considered then? Soon-to-be-current generation consoles? I don't even know what you're trying to talk about now.

[quote=imtwocats]@skullowls: Again like I've said from the start, it doesn't matter what Sony or Microsoft has done in the past when we're talking about present day issues about the current gen consoles. In 8 years, who knows what we may have? PS5 vs Xbox 2? That doesn't matter either until we get to that point.

@WontPostMuch: Crusade? Really? I give my opinion about Microsoft and you decide to attempt to make a witty comment about me to make yourself look good on a "random forum." How mature of you.[/quote]

Then you're just wasting your time because you're arguing against something that doesn't really matter, I brought up past sony because microsoft is facing a similar situation and its worked out well for sony so why not for microsoft which is what you don't seem to understand. Xbox One and PS4 aren't current gen consoles until they release.

@skullowls: Again like I've said from the start, it doesn't matter what Sony or Microsoft has done in the past when we're talking about present day issues about the current gen consoles. In 8 years, who knows what we may have? PS5 vs Xbox 2? That doesn't matter either until we get to that point.

@WontPostMuch: Crusade? Really? I give my opinion about Microsoft and you decide to attempt to make a witty comment about me to make yourself look good on a "random forum." How mature of you.

@imtwocats: I'm out of touch with reality? I think you're out of touch with reality, they can say ANYTHING they want, but that doesn't mean they truly care for anything aside from your money and a lot of companies will do anything to get it, also a lot of companies are disgusting with the way they handle things but I'm not going to get into this right now. Long story short, stop judging prematurely because in the end, it doesn't matter and things can go either way, in 8 years, no one is going to care about DRM if they battle uphill like sony did.

[quote=skullowls]@imtwocats: I'm not speaking of DRM, I'm talking about their attitude. I'm not trying to justify microsofts attitude, I'm telling you to wait to judge instead of prematurely judging before and then praising sony.

There's a difference between judging and complaining about a factor you don't want it in, You're judging.

I don't think you understand, every company is in it to make money and no one truly cares for their consumers, they can make it look like that all they want but that is fact.[/quote]

I'm praising Sony because they're doing the exact opposite of what Microsoft is doing. I'll criticize Sony if they do something idiotic if it happens, just like I'll praise Microsoft for doing something smart if it happens, however for now my opinion remains the same.

If you think companies don't care about their consumers, you are completely out of touch with reality. Of course they want to make money, but to say that they could care less about their consumers is just plain silly.

[quote=imtwocats]"Sony did it too" which is childish.[/quote]

Because getting so worked up over a console that hasn't even come out yet and thinking you're on a crusade for better consumer protection by excessive complaining on random forums totally isn't childish. V mature of you.

@SplitMoon: Neither of them have that much power so it doesn't really matter, neither a publisher nor developer can force DRM level stuff unless its already created by the company. So you know what that means? If the Xbox One has DRM then they can use it to their advantage, if not they're out of luck.

@imtwocats: I'm not speaking of DRM, I'm talking about their attitude. I'm not trying to justify microsofts attitude, I'm telling you to wait to judge instead of prematurely judging before and then praising sony.

There's a difference between judging and complaining about a factor you don't want it in, You're judging.

I don't think you understand, every company is in it to make money and no one truly cares for their consumers, they can make it look like that all they want but that is fact.
@sano4444: Not sure why you'd be sorry.

[quote=skullowls]@Chat: You know what that's called? Talking out of your ass. [/quote]

Im so sorry but you made me laugh so hard with this sentence. You sounded like Red from "that 70s show"

OT: Does it matter? people who still like xbox is gona get the xboxone. people who like ps, will get the ps4. people who like both will get both. Idt any of this really matters in the long run

[quote=skullowls]@imtwocats: Because you're acting as if sony hasn't done the same exact things, you said just a minute ago that "sony has been resoanable this generation" when that clearly isn't the fact of the matter. In the present yes, are they on equal footing in general? yes. You're acting as if microsoft is the only company to ever do this which is why I'm bringing up sony, in the gaming community we have a term, its called the third console curse, when a developer creates their third console they become arrogant and start making mistakes, sony is past that stage, microsoft is just getting there, why bother judging before the console even launches because as we've seen today, anything can change in the months before a console launches and the most important ones will come after and then will judging matter, until then, everything is premature which is why I'm not judging either side.

@SplitMoon: I'm pretty sure no developer has that much power, the furthest they could go is make it so that their game is only playable online, and that's already happening with Destiny, ESO and Warframe.[/quote]

Sony has done things in the past, but not all of these things. DRM was almost non-existent back then, used games were still there, and many other things that are relevant to the current generation of consoles and not older ones. You're trying to justify Microsoft's attitude by saying "Sony did it too" which is childish.

Obviously we need to judge consoles before they come out otherwise they'll be filled to the brim with DRM and used games fees like Microsoft planned on including on the release of Xbox One. If we as gamers don't provide criticism and judgement before a console is released, who knows what may be included in the consoles. Then when we try to judge them, it may take months or even years for the companies to take out what we don't want in the console, or they may never take it out because they already have our money in their pockets. The job of all these fancy conferences like E3 is to show off their consoles for people to judge them and persuade people to buy their console instead of their competitors console.

I'm taking sides here because if Microsoft is trying to take advantage of their customers now, it's obvious they're going to do the same when the Xbox One is actually released unless we provide our criticisms now.

[quote=RedAssasinz]daily reminder before you fall into microtrap

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-Were-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html[/quote]

I don't think there was any proof they were running on late gtx 700 cards, I heard somewhere that they were 660's to 680's which seems a lot more plausible.

@imtwocats: Because you're acting as if sony hasn't done the same exact things, you said just a minute ago that "sony has been resoanable this generation" when that clearly isn't the fact of the matter. In the present yes, are they on equal footing in general? yes. You're acting as if microsoft is the only company to ever do this which is why I'm bringing up sony, in the gaming community we have a term, its called the third console curse, when a developer creates their third console they become arrogant and start making mistakes, sony is past that stage, microsoft is just getting there, why bother judging before the console even launches because as we've seen today, anything can change in the months before a console launches and the most important ones will come after and then will judging matter, until then, everything is premature which is why I'm not judging either side.

@SplitMoon: I'm pretty sure no developer has that much power, the furthest they could go is make it so that their game is only playable online, and that's already happening with Destiny, ESO and Warframe.