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@greatbolshy: im impressed at the mental gymnastics that youre doing. To make you look less like a fool, i didnt support any candidate. None. Of. Them.
"If you dont support trump then you support hillary"
Lol get out of here. The world isnt simply black and white. There are multiple points of view out there.
My stance regarding trump remains unchanged.

@nindow: the bern bandwagon is dead. so if you're arguing against trump then you're supporting shillary. she's the democratic nominee. the only chance bernie has is wikileaks releasing a flood of her emails. she may get convicted, she may not. if she does get convicted before the inauguration, she'll just get pardoned by obama.

@greatbolshy: "this person doesnt like trump. Then that means its a shillary supporter!"
The more you post, the more you show how much of a fool you are.

@nindow: omfg i'm dying from laughter. tell me all about how you worship shillary

@greatbolshy: im astounded at how much intelligence you have shown.
HE DID NOT RAISE SIX MILLION DOLLARS. HE LIED.
and you ate it up and believed him.
i pity you.

@nindow: sorry but i had to stop reading after you judged trump for how much money he raised for veterans. if you don't think 6 million dollars is a lot of money then do you wanna give me a small loan of a million dollars? rofl. i don't even know how to comment on that. i'm stumped.

@greatbolshy: how nice of you to assume im new to politics. he's been flip-flopping too many times. "i wont get $ from wall street" "hey guys i need your $". "i support veterans by giving them alot of $" "actually it wasnt alot", etc. and yes, he does have a horrible record because he went bankrupt multiple times. he isnt even a self-made rich person cause he got help from his dad's money. i have more respect for people like william levitt, andrew carnegie, and john d. rockefeller cause they were actually smart enough to make their own fortune and expand on it.
trump is quick to throw people under the bus by saying things people want to hear by using crude language. "those anchor babies", "mexicans are rapists and murderers", "they will pay for the wall", "i will ban muslims", strong language against women, and strong comments against the mexican-american judge. he speaks before he thinks. i wont be surprised if that mouth of his will land the USA in trouble in the international scene.
"but trump can call on his advisors for help". for christ's sake, he doesnt even have any political experience. that guy messed up badly lately as a businessman, of course i have little faith in him as president. "i'll hire the best for the job", my god does he even know which people are the most qualified for the job. "i'm a businessman so im the best one for the job", well he only got to be one cause of his dad and he blew it.
presidents like george washington, andrew jackson, ulysses s. grant, and dwight d. eisenhower had minimal experience in politics but they knew the responsibility of the job due to their background as generals, in which they fared very well. trump was shady and horrible in business, i dont trust him in the position of president. at least the governator didnt make a ruckus when he ran for governor.

Pretty much already been said, but criminals don't follow laws. They will always find a way to get guns,disarming the law abiding citizens of guns only puts them in danger without means to defend, besides that will never happen #2A we already shouldn't need a permit to carry when the second amendment IS our permit, a few states already don't need a permit since the second amendment is it. More states need to be like that

@nindow: are you new to politics? because every candidate says whatever is popular at the moment. up until like 3 years ago hillary was against same sex marriage but since it started gaining traction she jumped on the bandwagon trying to act like she's been supporting it all along. when she was campaigning against obama, obama literally said "hillary will say anything and change nothing."

i really don't know how you can say trump has a horrible business record. people don't tend to become billionaires on horrible records. the word i assume you were trying to use was "shady," not "horrible." and again, welcome to the real world. everybody that's successful does it. hell, even youtubers are figuring that out now and are all attacking each other. all kinds of assault allegations, theft allegations, and so on. all because they want to make more money. that's just what happens. politics, businesses, even internet famous people are all doing it.

i also hope you realize presidents have teams that work with them. whenever some international crisis occurs, the president can just call his team in for advice. or in hillarys situation, can just write an email that gets an ambassador killed

@greatbolshy: both candidates are bad. trump just says whatever is popular at the moment, says things without thinking, just to make people join his side. he also has a horrible record in the business world. he throws people under the bus if it will make him popular. he isnt even a man of the people. he was born rich. he never had the experience that most of the common folk have. i shudder to think when he talks to foreign leaders. he wont even know how to handle an international crisis. putin will play him like a fiddle whereas china will take advantage of his isolationist policy to expand their control.

"God help us if Trump wins" god help us if hillary wins. you're literally saying having a shady criminal as president would be better than trump, who is quite literally a man of the people. and don't even give me any of that gun control bs. people are still saying "if guns were banned then we would end mass casualty events" lol ok tell that to the unabomber, boston marathon bombers, etc.

we're currently living in the most peaceful time ever recorded. you're blaming the nra for the shooting and didn't even mention how the fbi investigated this guy and then decided he was perfectly fine. cuck.

Political fanaticism is the death of rational thinking. You need to be less edgy, OP.

@renexz: I mean, it wasn't him who said those things to the authorities, it was the people who knew him.

Also, he's dead, so... he can't talk

@readers: Maybe he said that to troll the cops.

Oh, sry I'll take this seriously. Well, I know this is more simple that I thought, but man... This world is destined to extinction. Humans are parasites in this planet. Like, I guess all of this is our fault over the time. Perhaps humans are too selfish to live with each other and maybe we weren't made to live with our differences.

@renexz: I'm pretty sure the U.S. government, including the military, the FBI and CIA, etc. have been trying to do that for the past few decades in regards to Muslim extremists. The answer is not as simple as you think it is.

To side-step from this whole discussion regarding Islam and terrorism for a moment: I find the background of the perpetrator of this particular Orlando shooting to be odd as well. There are numerous conflicting descriptions and reports given by individuals who knew this person.

In particular; he has made many homophobic comments in the past, but is known for having frequented gay bars and also had numerous LGBT co-workers and friends that he apparently did not have a problem with. He has pledged allegiance to Hezbollah (a Shi'a Muslim group), Al-Qaeda AND ISIS (both are Sunni Muslim groups). Both Shi'a and Sunni Muslims seem to be hating each others guts right now, and on top of that, Al-Qaeda and ISIS both hate each other as well. It makes zero sense for anyone like him to have connections to all three groups given the current climate. (Also, wtf?)

So in other words: this just got weird.

ENOUGH. We gotta be realistic here, boys. ISIS are bad people. These bad guys kill insane amounts of good people every time they do something. We are good people, we don't want to see good people be killed. So what we gotta do? Huh? It's simple:

ANIHILATE EVERY ISIS MEMBER IN THE WORLD.

Look, there's no good guy in ISIS, they are the most viollent people in this world. Do you want to see things like this happen again and again? I guess not. So change your mind. They need to be killed and exterminated, no matter if you think they are good or they cause is noble. NO. They are killing innocent civillians around the world and you're protecting them. OMG. The Olimpic games will happen in Rio, in my country and a ISIS member already said they will mess this sh-t up here. Brazil's security isn't NOTHING compared to ISIS people. My gf live in Rio and I'm afraid she'll die if they attack Rio, so man, put yourself in my place. Do you want to see your girl die by a f-cking crazy guy with a gun?? I guess not, so please, change your mind. There is no dialog when dealing with animals like ISIS.

@mrsatan: You don't have to be an 'empire' to have imperialistic tendencies. Imperialism is defined as "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force". Often times, the U.S. government does fit the bill. I do agree with those things and won't deny any of them. But my point was more towards the fact that the U.S. government did and does play a role in where ISIS is today.

Nowhere in my post did I say the west is the source of all the world's evils lol.
Yes, the U.S. helped Germany and Japan rebuild them self after the war; not to much invade them or plant political coups. Recall the 1953 Iranian coup that were funded by both the US and Uk to overthrow a democratic government and instil a dictatorship instead. The US government isn't in the Middle East purely for monetary gain. In the case for Syria, Russia is allies with the regime and sells them weapons and what have you. Removing the regime would decrease Russian influence in the region (also Russia's last naval port int he region is located in Syria) as it is perceived by the US gov't (not the cold war type, mind you).

The regime's other ally? Iran. The US and Israel are both not huge fans of Iran and would hate to see its influence expand in the region. Israel also annexed the Golan Heights in Syria back in the day and isn't on too good terms with the regime.

To secure oil trade mostly. To control oil storage would reduce the damage done to the economy in the case where there may be a disruption, and there is also a turn away from the petrodollar, too.
Sure, I do agree with that to some extend. But the point of my post was never to jab at what happened in the past, it was purely to put into perspective and list down the loads of variables at play that made the situation where it is now. It's far more complex than some random Muslim reading a verse by the Qur'an and then suddenly thinking that he should go shoot up some place. Also, the situation is still ongoing and is still relevant today.
Although I would contend that your government hardly went in with good intentions in the past. Look up the list of dictatorships the US government has supported and directly assisted in gaining power in the past.

@angelkinda: Western 'imperialism' isn't even a thing right now, there are no western 'empires' in this day and age. ISIS was founded in 2006 and has its roots way back in 1999. This was way before the syrian civil war started. Most of the weaponry of ISIS are stolen stockpiles of the Syrian and Iraqi army with some leaking from the syrian rebels.

Before you start blaming the big bad west for all the evils of world, look at countries like Japan and Germany. We were their bitter enemies. We've bombed them to smithereens. Yet we helped rebuild their countries afterwards and look where they stand now. Intentions matter. If we went in the middle east for monetary and military gain, why are we still suffering economically? Where is the huge stockpiles of oil that we supposedly went in for?

I'm not saying the west is completely blame free in this situation but to suggest that we should focus on the sins of our forefathers instead of the reality of the here and now is naive. We have to stop feeling guilty for doing the right thing.

@mrsatan: itll happen even if he loses. Cant scream gun control when nothing bad happens.

The more this happens, the more likely Trump will win.

@tiesandbowties: We've seen time and time again that "ramping up" these security checks and surveillance against people who identify as Muslims/Arabs has not lead to an increase in number in terrorists being found, or an increase in stopping terrorist activities by said groups. After the FBI called in 8,000 Muslims for questioning and 5,000 were locked up in preventive detention, not a single terrorist was found.

I do agree that Muslims have been 'destroying' lives across the globe, but this characteristic is not exclusive to only Muslims. I think one should take a step back and look at the amount of damage western imperialism has caused in the Middle East and North Africa. Radicalisation does start from being sympathetic to a particular demographic. The U.S. government is partly responsible for the creation of ISIS, the Taliban and other various militant Islamist groups, not to mention, the weapons that your government supplies to the moderate rebels in Syria have been found in the hands of ISIS. But of course, the U.S. government won't stop so long as there is something to gain. The issue here is acting like this problem is solely predicated on Muslims. It isn't.

Florida was pro-Trump based on votes^

what if the shooter was secretly trying to recruit more folks into trump's cause?

#conspiracy

@sirkibble: Yeah, I'm sure that's the reason...not that America has annihilated so many of them in the East. Who would want to join a group to take a stand against the injustice they have endured when they can just lay back and continue to watch as their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandparents etc are being blown apart, starved to death and driven from their homes.

This guy's @tiesandbowties comment kills me. "what we need to do is stop being so sensitive to Muslims in America and around the world. We're treating them like it's only been isolated incidents here and there. No, Muslims are destroying lives in America and around the world; there has to be something done about this and we need to stop being so politically correct about everything."

Did he really just say that America has been sensitive to Muslims around the world? Extremist Muslims are indeed destroying lives...but they are only taking a page out of America's playbook. What you really need to do, is get a damn time machine. Go back in time and never step foot in the East for monetary and military gain. Destabilized nations, and have them flocking to join a united cause then turn around and point fingers at them for trying to defend themselves.

The world as is, is an evil place. We need to stop pointing fingers at one another as to who started what and focus on what we can do to put a peaceful end to it. We need more sensitivity not less.

@ashleyattacked: But how did Muslim extremist become extreme? Good ol Muricans have no clue except their news report that they follow blindly. Good post though.

The guy passed all background checks and was trained as a security guard. No amount of gun control could have stopped this. Plus the guy didnt scream NRA before firing so stop blaming them.

what we need to do is stop being so sensitive to Muslims in America and around the world. We're treating them like it's only been isolated incidents here and there. No, Muslims are destroying lives in America and around the world; there has to be something done about this and we need to stop being so politically correct about everything.

the NRA nor the Republican party has nothing to do with this. There are millions of Americans who obtain guns legally and go through rigorous annual background checks. The GOP is only defending something this country has been founded upon, the second amendment. It's all the dumb, self-righteous people who think we shouldn't racially profile at airports and ramp up security against self-proclaimed Muslims that are the problem.

what does the NRA have to do with this? most likley didnt even get a gun through them. When daddytrump comes into charge hopefully you see the light

The NRA isn't the issue. Muslim extremism is.

Almost all guns in the USA used to kill people are illegal and undocumented.

I'm a Russian citizen and even I know this. American citizens are stuck spouting propaganda that they're too lazy to fact check and dismiss out of hand as they should. You're being used and its embarrassing.

You guys are puppets. Wake up.

@sirkibble:
. http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2905573/1/#46735411

There isn't enough talk about improving mental health services and facilities in regards to these issues