Uses for Reapers
Hi there BaM's.
Just a question (similar to my Use for The Finisher thread) -> When and where do you find Reapers useful. I'm nearing 100 quickly, and I'll eventually need to make up my mind on what to max.
As my friend Mysteltein told me, you won't need 30-35% more damage on a pulling skill. That of course made perfect sense, so I was going to max reapers.
Except, is reapers really any better? At max, 450% damage but they only last 20 seconds. Not to mention that they can only hit 1 monster each, AND the actually chance of summoning them is 10%. People say they help with training (outside of LHC), but do they really?
All help/advice is appreciated.
July 10, 2011
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reapers last 30 sec now. but yeah they actually help quite a bit in terms of luring and helping control the map since they do decent damage. if youre strong, it adds up quite well
[quote=koalakid44]What do you mean 1 extra monster? Doesn't ADC pull 7 at lv 1? And imo the extra dmg is pretty negligible[/quote]
Yeah 7 at lvl 1 and 8 at lvl 11.
Depends on your funding and what you view maple to be. If your a damage hore, you would want Chains obv. but, if you want to maple for fun, i would rather have reaper.
[quote=weedalin]o.o. I don't understand. Why wouldn't you want to be able to pull one extra monster and get a little bit of extra damage?[/quote]
What do you mean 1 extra monster? Doesn't ADC pull 7 at lv 1? And imo the extra dmg is pretty negligible
@Cthulhusama: Sounds pretty fun. o.o If the EXP is as nice there as it is in LHC... -sigh- but no Reaper I wonder if they take these things into account when making skills for classes?
[quote=ashje]@Cthulhusama: Good point, though do you train in parties at Monster Park? Because if it's solo then ADC would be more useful there [/quote]
Post-JUMP it is the only Party Play Zone left I believe which is why it is so godly. I guess it plays more like Dojo though. Like you clear a floor and then move on to the next one. So I might actually like that more than LHC.
@Cthulhusama: Good point, though do you train in parties at Monster Park? Because if it's solo then ADC would be more useful there
lol wthell are you guys smoking maxing reaper is WAY more useful than topping off ADC from 13...ADC was never even meant to provide damage, it's merely a rush-type move which provides insignificant increases in damage as its level increases. Reaper, on the other hand, is first of all, just plain badass, but can spawn in multiple points, lasting 30 seconds each, as well as do visible damage depending on the circumstance (mine does about 150k-200k each time it attacks, granted slightly above average, but the correlation with ADC is the same). Uses exists both inside and out of the training realm; depending on where you are training reaper CAN take out monsters on their own, even if yours don't do crazy damage, because if more than one spawns close to each other they can tag team the nearby foe and take it down, which will not only give you exp but increase spawn on the other side of the map you're on. Secondly, they are a great help during quests that require collecting/killing multiple lower leveled monsters, and since they are lower leveled chances are elevated that the reapers may take out monsters on their own, as well as help you find drops.
And remember, ADC past level 1 is useless f3 IT FRIKKIN LAGS BETWEEN USES (but you get 13 yay)
[quote=ashje]@Cthulhusama: Hmm, that's a shame. That means ADC is more useful, right? Since that pretty much renders Reaper useless if it can't even be activated.[/quote]
Well the only time I use ADC is training at ToT (I don't like LHC or party training in general...) and that is a place where reaper would actually be useful. The two times I tried LHC I realized that if I try to pull the monster while everyone else is attacking it it doesn't get pulled. So ADC was useless for me in LHC too. Not sure how other people's experiences with ADC are but I find it only useful at regular training spots and that is precisely where I would rather have Max Reaper than an extra 40% damage on ADC. Neither is very good at LHC though so if you don't plan on training at regular places or farming items from enemies it won't matter since both are useless at LHC in my experience.
@Cthulhusama: Hmm, that's a shame. That means ADC is more useful, right? Since that pretty much renders Reaper useless if it can't even be activated.
[quote=ashje]Soon LHC will loose it's party buff in which case training in non-boss-tagged areas will probably be more efficient. Reaper can be summoned in these areas meaning you can utilise it far more than a small damage increase.[/quote]
I'm pretty sure LHC just gets replaced by monster park and IIRC those are also considered boss monsters. So as much as I enjoy the skill I am pretty sure reaper is still useless there.
Soon LHC will loose it's party buff in which case training in non-boss-tagged areas will probably be more efficient. Reaper can be summoned in these areas meaning you can utilise it far more than a small damage increase.
@weedalin: How much damage on average do they do for you? If they do "okay"-ish damage, I'll consider it more, but if they only take 1/15th of a monsters HP off, then whats the point.
[quote=sillybuttons]Max reapers! They really do help! =)[/quote]
Sorry to ask, but where in particular have you found them handy (in training that is)?
People have been saying theyre REALLY useful, but I'm so not seeing it somehow. :S
[quote=Humanmango]They should've made it so that if a monster ends up being killed by a reaper instead of your character, it triggers a larger chance of spawning another one.
Go forth and multiply, my pretties![/quote]
That sounds like a good idea. If not, they could've upped the summon rate to like 15-20%.
Of course, I'd also like them to hit 2-3 monsters. I dont want BaMs to be OP, I just hate how reapers could have so much potential, yet its left being semi-useless.
Thanks for your opinion guys.
I think I'm just going to max ADC. Repears don't help with bosses, and though people say they help during training, I really don't see them being useful at all.
Thanks for your opinions, and everyone is still free to post.
They are fun at pyramid pq!
10 reapers at once makes me so proud haha :L
[quote=FaTaLP3NGU1N]Reapers in large numbers can sometimes discourage kill stealers since their coverage of the map can make you look like you can take down the whole place.
But reapers don't carry pencil sharpeners so...[/quote]
What is with u and pencil sharpeners?
[quote=nomanzlanz]I don't know about other battle mages, but I find it very useful. When I am training at Ghost ships, for instance, each platform contains about 5 to 10 monsters I believe. And I usually get a reaper summoned for most platforms. While I'm attacking, sometimes I have the 'stray' monsters that I managed to not kill with the rest of the platform. Instead of wasting time on another blow, I just let the reaper take care of it. I know it only saves a small amount of time, but eventually it all adds up. Also, I noticed that a reaper was able to take out at least one ghost ship within its 30 second lifeline. In a large map, 10% is actually an efficiently high amount of chance of summoning a reaper.[/quote]
When you say ghost ship, do you mean ghost pirates, or the ghost ship maps (next to MP3).
Either way, thanks for your input, it's certainly helped persuade me a bit more.
if u hav good damage and max it they are quite useful
the only drawback is that they keep on looking like a KSer