General

@Kingsleh: Excuse me? I was just trying to "show" or analyze how the ratio between money spent on education and prison(ers) is over here.
but due to lack of interest for law and all that I'm not sure if prison counts as defense or as justice but I'd love to think Germany would rather spend on education than that.

Jeeeeeez, seriously.

@zoneflare2: Besides, ya at work now or whut? I gotta go to sleep 3-4h ago (rofl) and I'm gonna go to work in about 6 hours... wonder if this schedule is any better considering you won't forget about MSN like you always do ~ 3~ *whistle*

@Kingsleh: O.o well excuse me it's nothing I think about daily. I could think about many more reasons against it probably (including it going against a human's dignity and how nobody has a right to take someone else's life no matter what bla bla)

and I just tried to look up how much money Germany spent on what in 2011 but I can't really find anything that could include prison (unless that includes defense)

According to this Germany (planned on spending) spent in billions:
a total of 305.8
and of that for the ministry of:

Labour, Social Affairs -> 131.30
"Bundesschuld" (I'm taking that's what we still owe from war? oO) -> 37.20
Defense -> 31.5
Traffic, Construction etc -> 25.20
Health -> 15.8
Education and research -> 11.6
general financial administration -> 11.0
Family, elderly, Women and youth -> 6.5
economic cooperation -> 6.2
economy&technology -> 6.1
diet, agriculture & consumer protection -> 5.5
*skips some cause I have no clue how to translate and it dun matter anyway*
Environment, nature protection and reactor safety -> 1.6
Justice -> 0.5 (<- I wonder if this includes prison? o.O)

then there is another with 0.1 but I have NO clue what the hell that even is so I'm not even gonna bother.
I'm bad about economy/laws/history anyway plus I fail at translating.. but yeah.

One way or the other I don't think killing someone is right (also cause if you argue money wise you basically judge over a human's financial worth... that's against that person's dignity and that would go against the 1st law of Germany in the first place @__@)

anywayy I was supposed to sleep HOURS ago so I'm half asleep.....

@zoneflare2: Do you seriously think anyone would get anywhere pushing fear on criminals?
Do you seriously think someone mentally sick would even be able to feel guilty or reflect on his action before he would be killed? (yeah, let him die in ignorance I guess.)
and people would die from criminal organisations too still. The world is too corrupt and killing all those lil criminals would barely make a difference especially if they would end up deciding ot join an organisation to go against the government to get rid of the source of fear.
And do you think it's kind if a person is locked up in a tiny butt room (if it's a severe case without contact to other prisoners even), with nobody to talk to, nobody to comfor them, just themselves and their sick mind with people treating them disrespectfully?
I would see it as too kind to free them from their misery that fast... and I personally don't like when people get out of a situation without having learned from it..

also, @Kingsleh: at what point did I ever claim the world revolves around me? I was asked for my opinion and I stated it, period. I neither have the nerve to decide/debate much about a topic like that in the middle of the night, nor would I claim that my opinion/view on it is ultimate considering my knowledge/interest about subjects like those.

[quote=Kingsleh]A huge part of that is the legal cost. That's because the legal process is so convoluted right now. If the process becomes accepted and standardized, it will become much cheaper than life in prison.[/quote]

It's to avoid convicting someone who's innocent, and there have already been one too many innocents sentenced to death already with this painfully slow one already.

But if that's a price and risk people are willing to pay, then why not.

@Kingsleh: yeah my reason is someone should have to spend the rest of his life having to reflect about what he did and living without dignity and a guilty consciousness.
And personally I'd rather pay for someone to suffer for what he did than for something that would kill thousands of innocents just cause some idiots in the government argue over some idiotic bs or want power.

I'm not sure about the prisoner<>Education ratio either here.. But I do know I hear MUCH more about our school system, its changes etc etc than about prisoners (in fact so far I can only recall those report shows on TV about prison - how it works, how they live there etc)

@zoneflare2: I hope you were being sarcastic
Could be that criminals could feel intimidated by death sentence at first - but I don't think it would last for long. You can't keep someone/something down with fear forever. The fear might (or even will) eventually turn into aggression towards the reason of said fear which could totally backfire.
Just like you should never raise a child in fear and instead cooperate it and give him a helping hand
(though Governments often/always do neither... they don't scare their people but they also don't support them (education is one of the things))

[quote=Kingsleh]Your reason was "let them suffer." Yes, the money would probably just be wasted on building more useless nukes anyways but it's still wasting taxpayers' money just to punish and make someone feel bad.

I don't know how it is in germany but here in the US we spend more money on prisoners than public education.[/quote]

If you're worried about tax-payer money only then it would make more sense for you to be against the death penalty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/execute-or-not-question-cost/

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

@Kingsleh: Is it different in Germany then...? cause people in prison here (as far as I'm informed) have no belongings. If they want items (including cigarettes) they have to work.
As far as I know they get paid around 2-3€ an hour (a normal worker gets around 8€+) and do basically regular work (e.g. fixing cars).
They can save up their money and even buy themselve a console etc etc... (never allowed to get internet access though)
I think that's quite good..

and do you SERIOUSLY want to tell me that if criminals would be killed (also, what about those that are supposedly guilty but after a decade it turns out they're innocent? lol.) then the saved money would be spent on the poor instead?
Yeahhh, no. I totally doubt that. At least there's no way somebody could make me believe that

@Kingsleh: o.O erm which innocents exactly?

Just kill them and move on. I don't hold grudges.

[quote=Biotic]Yes because it costs more to keep them alive than to kill them.[/quote]

actually it costs more to kill them because of the legal processes involved

@uiluj3: ohhhhh... Thanks xD sorry for that

hmm... nope.
Cause if e.g. one would kill another human it would be far too nice to kill them for it.
Let them suffer for the rest of their lives. Much worse.<3

If they commit murder then yes, I believe if you take a life your life should be taken.

As I don't live in America (yet) I have NO clue what this is about. Care to explain?