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71 atk green Surfboard or 101 atk Gold Dragon?

Hi basil,

I'd just like to ask whether my normal(6) green surfboard or slow(8) 101 atk 2% str Gold Dragon does more in terms of DPM

Also, which one is more practical for training? Since with the green surfboard I can rack up combos heaps quicker than with the gold dragon.

thanks!

July 3, 2011

8 Comments • Newest first

adam91827364

@Creation4Meh @chyeung360 : ok, so after looking for a while the only data i found for triple swing:
Faster (2): 1190ms
Faster (3): 1270ms
Fast (4): 1395ms
Fast (5): 1500ms
Normal (6): 1585ms

Keep in mind that these are rough averages as there was very little testing done for triple swing and that these are the speeds if you activate the skill as fast as possible. So your 71 att green surfboard would be fast(4) with booster and your 101 att gold dragon would be normal(6) with booster. So if we look at the speeds for triple swing for both we get: 1395ms for the green surfboard and 1585ms for the gold dragon. So 1585/1395 = 1.136 and we do 71 x 1.136 = 80.656. However, this is only correct if you have absolutely NO extra att from equips and skills, which i highly doubt, even using a warrior elixir would increase the relative att of the green surfboard. So as of now i can only tell you that the green surfboard is equivalent to approximately an 81 att gold dragon. So if the TS would just add up his extra attack i could give him an accurate representation of the proportional att of the green surfboard to the gold dragon.

EDIT: Now i have the TS's extra att details so i will do the calculations again. Also, the TS informed me that the aran booster skill raises the speed 3 levels instead of other boosters which raise speed only 2 levels. The new calculations are as follows:
green surfboard w.booster -> faster(3) -> 1270ms
gold dragon w.booster -> fast(5) -> 1500ms
green surfboard att (71) + extra att from equips/skills/pots (31) -> 102 attack
gold dragon att (101) + extra att from equips/skills/pots (31) -> 132 attack

1500ms/1270ms = 1.181 -> 1.181 * 102(green surfboard att) = 120.462 attack
120.462 attack - 31 attack= 89.462 attack
So your green surfboard, when using triple swing, is the same as using an 89.462 attack gold dragon. However, if you 100%ed your green surfboard, assuming it is clean, it would be 78 att and would change the calculations:
green surfboard w.booster -> faster(3) -> 1270ms
gold dragon w.booster -> fast(5) -> 1500ms
green surfboard att (78) + extra att from equips/skills/pots (31) -> 109 attack
gold dragon att (101) + extra att from equips/skills/pots (31) -> 132 attack

1500ms/1270ms = 1.181 -> 1.181 * 109(green surfboard att) = 128.729 attack
128.729 attack - 31 attack= 97.729 attack

So even if you 100%ed it, your gold dragon would still be stronger. Now let's see what attack it would need to be to be equal to your gold dragon.

101att = x att - 31
x att = 132 att
x att = 1.181 * (base att of green surfboard + 31 att)
1.181 * (base att of green surfboard + 31 att) = 132 att
base att of green surfboard + 31 att = 111.770 att
base att of green surfboard = 80.770 att

So you would need an 81 att green surfboard for it to have a higher DPM than your gold dragon.

Reply July 3, 2011 - edited
Creation4Meh

@adam91827364: Okies, Well I am actually interested with what your going to post when you get the other stuff you need. It should be interesting.

Reply July 3, 2011 - edited
adam91827364

@Creation4Meh: ok, thank you, i knew he was going to use the regular "attack" key but i was not sure, as i have never made an aran, which skill he would use with it. I will try to look up the speed differences for reg att and triple swing but i still need the TS to add up his att from equips/skills not including the weapon.

Reply July 3, 2011 - edited
Creation4Meh

[quote=adam91827364]That is not very correct or accurate, the actual way to determine which weapon is better to train with depends on which skill you are using. You find out the differences in speed of using the skill with the two weapons and then multiply the faster weapon att by (speed of skill use w.faster wpn/speed of skill use w.slower weapon). However, you also have to add in the extra att you get from equips and skills, the more you get from sources other than your weapon the better the faster weapon will be. So if someone would tell me a couple things i could do that calculations for the TS and find out which weapon is better:
1. which skill(s) you are primarily using to train
2. the speed of those skills when using a green surfboard and a gold dragon
3. the attack you have from your extra equips and skills. Such as a MoN, WGs, an evolving ring, or a skill that boosts wpn att.[/quote]

Well, not to be rude, but your first question is a very dumb question. If you had read the thread you would see that "which one would make heaps of combos quicker" Maybe its just me but when I hear or read combos I automatically think Aran so your first question should be common sense, the Attack button and the skill that he has that goes along with the attack button is Triple Swing. Hope that helps answer the first one

OT: The golden dragon would be better in terms of DPS/DPM, Even though its a Slow speed (7), the attack difference is immense that the damage you would do with your board would be less, so it would be less DPM. So overall the Dragon would be much more useful if you are looking for Damage/DPS/DPM, if you want combo ranking, then use the surfboard if you don't want to worry about Damage/DPS/DPM.

Reply July 3, 2011 - edited
adam91827364

@CorruptedSoul : Ok, well for future reference the description i provided works for all weapons and all classes, you just have to know the speed/att of the weapons, extra att from equips/skills, and the speed of using the skill you train with for each weapon and you can find out which weapon is better.

Reply July 3, 2011 - edited
adam91827364

[quote=CorruptedSoul]I think the gold dragon would do more. Damage to speed DPS can be calculated by multiplying by 1.1x.

For example, let's say you have a normal speed sky ski that is 110 attack, and a 130 attack stormshear which is slow speed.
You multiply the fast speed weapon's attack by 1.1x, so the sky ski is equal to a 121 attack slow speed weapon, making the stormshear better.

I'm not sure about this, but I think speeds like, normal and normal (6) have a 5% difference.

So pretty much, your green surfboard is equal to a 78 attack gold dragon, making your 101atk gold dragon the better option.[/quote]

That is not very correct or accurate, the actual way to determine which weapon is better to train with depends on which skill you are using. You find out the differences in speed of using the skill with the two weapons and then multiply the faster weapon att by (speed of skill use w.faster wpn/speed of skill use w.slower weapon). However, you also have to add in the extra att you get from equips and skills, the more you get from sources other than your weapon the better the faster weapon will be. So if someone would tell me a couple things i could do that calculations for the TS and find out which weapon is better:
1. which skill(s) you are primarily using to train
2. the speed of those skills when using a green surfboard and a gold dragon
3. the attack you have from your extra equips and skills. Such as a MoN, WGs, an evolving ring, or a skill that boosts wpn att.

Reply July 3, 2011 - edited
angeluris

I'd say the gold dragon, 30 atk is bound to be better

Reply July 3, 2011 - edited
hardballer

[quote=CorruptedSoul]I think the gold dragon would do more. Damage to speed DPS can be calculated by multiplying by 1.1x.

For example, let's say you have a normal speed sky ski that is 110 attack, and a 130 attack stormshear which is slow speed.
You multiply the fast speed weapon's attack by 1.1x, so the sky ski is equal to a 121 attack slow speed weapon, making the stormshear better.

I'm not sure about this, but I think speeds like, normal and normal (6) have a 5% difference.

So pretty much, your green surfboard is equal to a 78 attack gold dragon, making your 101atk gold dragon the better option.[/quote]

Take note though, that if you're an Aran, speed is almost always the deciding factor. I'm not sure on the math or anything but, I'm pretty sure the normal speed weapon is better because of the rate of combo-gaining

Reply July 3, 2011 - edited