Bishop or I/l
I was kind of wondering which would be better, keeping my bishop or switching it to i/l. I wanted to know which is better in terms of damage, bossing and training. I/L seems cool and fun but i'm not sure if its worth paying like 500m to change my bishop to i/l.
January 11, 2014
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@leopard16: Yeah, I can see why it would seem short if you're used to a bishop. I've only played my bishop a little bit after RED, but AR's range is clearly longer. I suppose if you compare the two, CL seems lacking, but most mage skills aren't quite as long as AR.
Paralyze does indeed seem slightly longer, but it's not dramatic.
Maybe I'm just used to the chaining giving it greater functional range, but CL's range has never been short enough to be worth mentioning, as far as I'm concerned.
CL's range for the first mob hit IS shorter than both AR and Paralyze, so yeah. It's short, relatively speaking.
[quote=Seraphicate]for me, i'd personally say it's the opposite.
connecting with the first monster is easy, the range from there on is pretty horrible IMO unless monsters are mobbed up[/quote]
[quote=030999]I know what you're talking about, and that's just false. By any reasonable standard, CL's range is fine.[/quote]
Maybe you're right. I've been playing a bishop for a long time and prob compared the two skills (AR vs CL) range.
@mark24: which doesn't work. It's been like that for awhile now... I don't know who you're trying to impress anyways. I have a level 201 I/L, 178 F/P, 176 Bishop, 182 Lumi, 185 BaM, and 150 Kanna.
@Green4EVER: that's really funny because BaMs have no 1/1 protection. I guess he has no argument.
[quote=mark24]Bam has blue aura and yellow aura for 1/1. Does fp status resistance shield work against 1/1 or something? I have made 2 ice archmages, 1 fp mage, 1 evan, 1 bam, 1 luminous 150+. dang bam doesn't have dmg reduction other than blue aura though. Lol mages...
I learn about a job before I make it. I don't spend time and money on a job I don't know about. I learn the other jobs to figure out which is the best for me at a particular time.[/quote]
So 1/1 survivability is your argument behind why BaM is better than F/P, I/L, and Bishop? lol, okay, good luck with that.
[quote=AznFlip]@mark24: seriously dude, another rant about mages? stop trying to seem like you know things even though you don't. you're the complete joke. fyi, f/p have 1/1 protection, BaMs don't. You have absolutely no idea about dps/dpm if you rely on the dpm chart by JT as hard fact. I said a long time ago that you obviously have never played a mage 150+ or don't know how to play one and you basically just proved it even more. No, leeching (yah, you basically made a thread about you leeching for like hours) is not playing.
OT: damage wise, i would say I/Ls are better at endgame bossing because they have element reset. overall though, I would say bishops are better bossers since they have much better survivability. mobbing wise depends. Bishops are better mobbers in places like DiPQ and evo world due to Big Bang. Otherwise, aside from places where all the mobs are clumped up together, I/Ls are better.[/quote]
Bam has blue aura and yellow aura for 1/1. Does fp status resistance shield work against 1/1 or something? I have made 2 ice archmages, 1 fp mage, 1 evan, 1 bam, 1 luminous 150+. dang bam doesn't have dmg reduction other than blue aura though. Lol mages...
I learn about a job before I make it. I don't spend time and money on a job I don't know about. I learn the other jobs to figure out which is the best for me at a particular time.
[quote=leopard16]i think its short. im not talking about how it connects or the range it does connect, im talking about attacking the 1st monster[/quote]
I know what you're talking about, and that's just false. By any reasonable standard, CL's range is fine.
@mark24: seriously dude, another rant about mages? stop trying to seem like you know things even though you don't. you're the complete joke. fyi, f/p have 1/1 protection, BaMs don't. You have absolutely no idea about dps/dpm if you rely on the dpm chart by JT as hard fact. I said a long time ago that you obviously have never played a mage 150+ or don't know how to play one and you basically just proved it even more. No, leeching (yah, you basically made a thread about you leeching for like hours) is not playing.
OT: damage wise, i would say I/Ls are better at endgame bossing because they have element reset. overall though, I would say bishops are better bossers since they have much better survivability. mobbing wise depends. Bishops are better mobbers in places like DiPQ and evo world due to Big Bang. Otherwise, aside from places where all the mobs are clumped up together, I/Ls are better.
[quote=leopard16]@030999: i think its short. im not talking about how it connects or the range it does connect, im talking about attacking the 1st monster[/quote]
for me, i'd personally say it's the opposite.
connecting with the first monster is easy, the range from there on is pretty horrible IMO unless monsters are mobbed up
@030999: i think its short. im not talking about how it connects or the range it does connect, im talking about attacking the 1st monster
[quote=leopard16]One of the things that made me mad was the CL reach. If you're going to use CL, you have to be really close so it can touch the first monster.. I didn't like that.[/quote]
Wat. If you think CL's reach is short, you have some really weird standards.
Both of these are a joke if you want optimal bossing. Bam and f/p have the best mage dps but fp doesn't have protection vs 1/1. Bam is god tier.
I've just been with this character for so long I thought i/l would be a nice switch and i don't really want to switch to f/p since I already have one i just found it a little dull.
Bishop because of HS really, I leveled about 30 levels (71-115) in MPE , it was as well fun to train it. I have an I/L and i'm having a blast with it, But my Bishop was waay more fun. But I guess it's all about personal preference.
I'd keep bishop. I/L do have better damage but they're worse than bishops in term of boss. Bishops are even better to train and they are most wanted in parties. You would prob think with CL, you'd be hitting faster and stronger as well as having more reach but you would gain so much less exp than a bishop would. I was a bishop and trained as an I/L for a week and I honestly regretted it. One of the things that made me mad was the CL reach. If you're going to use CL, you have to be really close so it can touch the first monster.. I didn't like that.
Keep in mind if you're using a secondary wep, you will unable to use that if you do job change.