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[quote=DuhNewKid]@Streqx: Zero Pride <3[/quote]

haha yea zeros are super fun i admit i can keep up with the combos x'D

@Streqx: Zero Pride <3

[quote=hamdeamon]Dawn Warriors.[/quote]

im maining to get funds with to fund a aran after wards

Dawn Warriors.

[quote=Feeling]@daminep: at the end of the day, this is still just a game, the point of which is to have fun. Sure, some classes are better than others, but if you don't find those "strong" classes fun, there's no point.
Playing the class you like the best is the only way to really enjoy this game. Try out both of them, and see which you enjoy playing more, in terms of both bossing and training.[/quote]

thats the only reason im trying to get back to it im gonna use dw to get fund for my aran cause aran are fun

@daminep: at the end of the day, this is still just a game, the point of which is to have fun. Sure, some classes are better than others, but if you don't find those "strong" classes fun, there's no point.
Playing the class you like the best is the only way to really enjoy this game. Try out both of them, and see which you enjoy playing more, in terms of both bossing and training.

@Mesmus: that's the thing, a lot of people think that, but in reality it's not even true. We're just a bit different in the way our class is played, and people mistake that for "weakness" or being outdated. There are the obvious classes that outshine us in some categories, like Demon Slayer or Luminous for training, Night Walker or Shade for bossing, but in general, we're not behind many classes.
We do lack lines on our attacks, but we're definitely not the only class that has that problem.

@mvietp09: cherry tigers told me there good for mobbing bossing and cheap i watched some videos of them and that info about gollux was VERY IMPORTANT! cause i wanted to know how they handle gollux thank again

[quote=daminep]Swirlled Senpai has blessed this post with his godlyness ;-; i am not worthy im trying to choose between aran and dawn warrior atm ;-; i`ll try aran for sure cause i love them so much[/quote]

This whole thread people have talked about arans and kaisers and now you're deciding between aran and dawn warrior? lol I think that might be a typo. Anyhow, to put in some info about dawn warrior, they are absolutely amazing mobbers, they deal massive amounts of lines and their mobbing skill has a great amount of range, approximately the range of beyond blade I believe and definitely more than blade burst. Aside from mobbing, dawn warriors are pretty fun to boss with, you can choose to boss in several different styles based on what boss you're fighting. Sun mode with the 1v1 attack makes you jump up and down making it a bit easier to dodge attacks that might hit you if you were fighting von bon (ie ground smash and orb), moon mode 1v1 has great vertical range which is actually very good when fighting bosses like gollux (after killing eyes, you don't have to go up a platform to kill jewel!), or you could use solunar mode to deal max dps assuming you have a boss like hilla who you can probably tank most of the attacks. Another great upside to them is that they get 50% ignore elemental resist and I believe 10% ignore elemental resist debuff (20% with hyper) meaning they deal 60-70% more damage than all the other warriors. I haven't quite played my dawn warrior in a while, but last time I did and I only partly funded him, he was freaking fun to boss with.

[quote=SillyBats]I loved my Aran... Until I got carpal syndrome and now I'm trying out Dark Knight [/quote] ohh :c that discouraging man but since i work i wont be playing aran 24/7 x'D like i used to but thanks for the heads up

I loved my Aran... Until I got carpal syndrome and now I'm trying out Dark Knight

[quote=Feeling]The only thing that Aran needs is a speed boost, which can basically be resolved with a green MPE potion. I have no trouble doing high DPS with one of those potions active.
For example, I can clear Hell Gollux's jewel with about 45% of the timer remaining, solo Chaos Vellum with 4 minutes left on the timer, Chaos Queen in about 7-8 minutes, etc. The only downside is having to farm the potions quite often, but if you find a fun class to do it on it's not so bad.
I think people don't give us enough credit, as we're actually capable of doing a lot, and staying up to par with other classes. It just takes some getting used to in order to play the class effectively.[/quote]

Swirlled Senpai has blessed this post with his godlyness ;-; i am not worthy im trying to choose between aran and dawn warrior atm ;-; i`ll try aran for sure cause i love them so much

Arans aren't a bad class they're just outdated for today's game-play. They just need a revamp.

The only thing that Aran needs is a speed boost, which can basically be resolved with a green MPE potion. I have no trouble doing high DPS with one of those potions active.
For example, I can clear Hell Gollux's jewel with about 45% of the timer remaining, solo Chaos Vellum with 4 minutes left on the timer, Chaos Queen in about 7-8 minutes, etc. The only downside is having to farm the potions quite often, but if you find a fun class to do it on it's not so bad.
I think people don't give us enough credit, as we're actually capable of doing a lot, and staying up to par with other classes. It just takes some getting used to in order to play the class effectively.

[quote=DuhNewKid]I have played both. Arans fall off late game terms of bossing. Kaiser wins that with late game. Ryude sword also makes the diff. IMO Zeros win.[/quote]

I've played a very funded Aran (1.5M Clean) and needless to say, DuhNewKid is right. End game, I found it very difficult to boss as Aran's movement and attack speed are both heavily lacking. It took a long time to fully cycle through Final Blow, and during that time, I was vulnerable to many attacks such as the balls at Hard Magnus/breath at Hell Gollux. Coherently, the class itself felt a bit clunky. Kaiser wins by far in late game, however, I've heard they are tremendously hard to fund.

In terms of game play, I'd say Zeros' share a similar 'combo-play' style with Arans'. However, unlike Arans', Zeros' are much speedier and have an amazing set of attacks. Zeros' are granted 8 attacks to combo with, where Arans' only have 3 or 4. This variation in attacks makes mobbing way more enjoyable. Additionally, Zeros' have a unique set of buffs and in-game perks including free weapon cubing. I made the choice to swap from Aran to Zero, and have not regret my decision in the slightest form!

[quote=jt3mpur4]Arans use slow graded weapons and they don't have the attack speed buffs as Kaisers do so that's out of the question.[/quote]

Most Arans haven't used slow PA's since like 09, thats an exaggeration but you get the gesture.

I have played both. Arans fall off late game terms of bossing. Kaiser wins that with late game. Ryude sword also makes the diff. IMO Zeros win.

[quote=axel891]@EroticSatan: arans require less funding to hit that 20m.... arans would cap by the time kaiser hit 10m on gigas wave...[/quote]

either way an aran hitting 50m is less damage per second than a kaiser hitting 10m/line. hitting cap easily is a HINDERANCE 9 times out of 10

[quote=axel891]@EroticSatan: arans require less funding to hit that 20m.... arans would cap by the time kaiser hit 10m on gigas wave...[/quote]

Hence why I said, "in terms of damage, both classes hitting 20m."
Kaiser at 10m a line would easily outdamage an aran at 20m a line.
I showed the equal comparison to view how aran pales in speed to kaiser when both are equivalent in damage.

i`ll try out aran since there not to many around if it not my cup of tea i`ll join the kiaser bandwagon

Funding not an issue? Go Kaiser

@ jt3mpur4 im an idiot, I thought he mean't that funding was an issue mb.. but yeah you're right

[quote=axel891]@EroticSatan: arans require less funding to hit that 20m.... arans would cap by the time kaiser hit 10m on gigas wave...[/quote]
Like OP said, funding isn't an issue. There is too much delay with Aran's skills and despite the "fast" grade polearm, the skills linger way too long after the attack which doesn't make them ideal mobility warriors as that is one of the requirements that OP is asking for.

@EroticSatan: arans require less funding to hit that 20m.... arans would cap by the time kaiser hit 10m on gigas wave...

[quote=axel891]@jt3mpur4: fafnir polearm is fast speed bruhsif[/quote]

Let's say in terms of damage, both claases hit 20m a line. Aran's animation required 2-3 seconds to fully process? (Estimation)
By three seconds of animation of your 20m lines, kaiser would have hit 60 times at 20m a line with gigas wave alone. Not including tempest blase, wing beat, and inferno breath.

@axel891 the animation delay of arans skills makes their bossing terrible when talking end game bosses compared to most other warrior classes. still better then hayato though

@jt3mpur4: fafnir polearm is fast speed bruhsif

[quote=axel891]@jt3mpur4 From what i've seen, arans are better than kaisers in terms of bossing and mobbing until one has 20+b funding.[/quote]
Arans use slow graded weapons and they don't have the attack speed buffs as Kaisers do so that's out of the question.

@jt3mpur4 From what i've seen, arans are better than kaisers in terms of bossing and mobbing until one has 20+b funding.

thanks for the info man

Kaiser is a great warrior to invest in if funding isn't an issue for you, it has a wide variety of mobbing skills and great mobility and spamming through damage ignore and reflect is fun. Dark Knight is another alternative and it's easier to cap damage lines but you won't hit as fast as a Kaiser would unless you can spam Gungir to match Kaiser's DPS with Giga Waves and Wing Beat. Kaiser's damage lines is a huge turn off too, you have to get at least over 3M range to start hitting 20M lines on normal mobs.