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brb eating nachos.
(a text written in paint is totally legit)

@malus: Very true... an easily editable screenshot like this could have come from anywhere, and unfortunately has the power to convince a lot of people of something that's undoubtedly not true.

@bobr: Yes I know what you mean. My point was to challenge OP to show better evidence to support their claim that a Game Master said selling NX for mesos is allowed. S/he made this claim, and presented it as fact, so should have no problem with providing real evidence. And if not, then yes the original claim that OP has made is unverifiable and most likely fake.

@loxiona Oh, I agree.. definitely the "and anything else we decide" provisions would cover whatever they want to do.
It's just a bit absurd from a legal point of view to spell out chapter and verse about what's prohibited for usernames and not mention at all that it also applies to any game character names, but then to enforce an unwritten rule on people.

@malus There is no "confirmation", this is wrong. The Nexon Terms of Use prohibit selling NX for mesos or any other kind of remuneration.

@bobr: Well one problem about using the term IGN's is that this ToU applies to all of their services, not just maplestory. So there are some cases where a person using their service may not have an "IGN" and just use their login ID. Regardless, I'm sure they mean ign's as well when they state usernames, and they certainly enforce and interpret it as such.

In the end, I'm pretty sure they state that they own your account somewhere and can pretty much do whatever they want with it, among many other blanket "we can do whatever we want for any or no reason" clauses, so they could probably enforce it even if they didn't explicitly say ign's.

Do you happen to have a full screenshot of the convo, for context purposes? And I'm sure others would like to see definite proof/confirmation regarding this matter.

[quote=loxiona]Also the name section now makes a distiction between your account name and username, mostly due to the fact that new accounts are using email addresses which don't make for very good usernames for their services.[/quote]

They did add the sentence which mentions using an e-mail address as the username a while ago, but there are no other changes, and still no mention of IGNs.

All they talk about is username and password, and the emphasis they put on the necessity of protecting both username and password indicates they're talking about the LOGIN name. They go through all the picky little rules which everyone assumes apply to IGNs, but it never SAYS that. It actually SAYS "username".

This means you can't have a LOGIN name which uses a copyrighted name, or which is vulgar, or which is gibberish or any of the other delineated prohibitions, but none of that ever mentions applying to in game CHARACTER names.

@bobr I think these screenshots of "gm chats" are [url=http://i.imgur.com/PjxfWPS.png]technically against ToU[/url], since they're private communications that are shared publicly without Nexon authorizing it.

Also the name section now makes a distiction between your account name and username, mostly due to the fact that new accounts are using email addresses which don't make for very good usernames for their services.

@elufu That's very true about selling NX items. It's one of several things the Terms of Use need to be updated about.
Another thing is that the whole flap about "inappropriate IGNs" from a while ago was based on an incorrect reading of the ToU. The rules specifically talk about the Account Name (the login ID) but does NOT address character names (or "IGNs" ) as everyone (including the GMs) assumed it does.
You're prohibited for example from creating an Account Name using a famous person's name, but nothing says you can't name your characters like that. They made no distinction or attempt to include in-game character names in the rules at all. It's very specific in the wording.
I've pointed that flaw out to GMs before and of course, nothing was done about it.

@lshadow3 Section 2.3.2, last paragraph, quoted at the top of this page.
The phrasing doesn't specifically include the word "mesos", but mesos are included in the phrase "or otherwise".

To be fair, it is beneficial to the company to have people trade mesos for NX currency, as long as the NX currency is being generated in a legitimate (retail/credit) way.

And also, I may just be blind, but I don't see a clause that prohibits mesos for NX.

That clause can also be interpreted that you are not allowed to sell NX clothing (cash item) in your store or through trade for mesos.

Whether the GM was wrong or not, that clause of the ToS needs a review when Nexon provides a legitimate avenue to undertake such transactions.

[quote=bobr]They misspoke or misinterpreted a question or their answer was misinterpreted or they didn't bother reading the ToU themselves or who knows.
What some individual says doesn't affect the printed rules, and they don't have the legal authority to alter the rules by themselves.
In other words, they were wrong.

Same as the "GM who said AFKtraining was OK as long as you don't get caught" or whatever.[/quote]

True true, perhaps Nexon needs to start hiring competent GM's.

[quote=draception]Gm tried altering the rules? Not sure what's going on here, but this is what we know from his/her message.[/quote]

They misspoke or misinterpreted a question or their answer was misinterpreted or they didn't bother reading the ToU themselves or who knows.
What some individual says doesn't affect the printed rules, and they don't have the legal authority to alter the rules by themselves.
In other words, they were wrong.

Same as the "GM who said AFKtraining was OK as long as you don't get caught" or whatever.

[quote=iproducemilk]^^^

And "Retrieving NX with in game mesos" what the heck kind of wording is that[/quote]

You can't write Buying Nx in a title.

@Bobr: Gm tried altering the rules? Not sure what's going on here, but this is what we know from his/her message.

[quote=bobr]@draception Or, instead of some out-of-context, easily editable picture of someone saying something about something, we could take a look at the ACTUAL RULES contained in Section 2.3.2 "Cash Shop/Cash Items" in the Nexon Terms of Use:

"You agree that you cannot and have no right to sell or otherwise transfer any of the Cash Items, Nexon currency or any other content or information included in the Service, in whole or in part, to any third person or entity whatsoever, including, without limitation, on Internet auction sites (e.g., eBay, IGE), hack sites, privates server sites, gold farming sites or in return for anything of value (including "real" money) or otherwise. "

Anybody can say anything about something at any time but unless it's in the rules it doesn't make it true.[/quote]

^^^

And "Retrieving NX with in game mesos" what the heck kind of wording is that

@draception Or, instead of some out-of-context, easily editable picture of someone saying something about something, we could take a look at the ACTUAL RULES contained in Section 2.3.2 "Cash Shop/Cash Items" in the Nexon Terms of Use:

"You agree that you cannot and have no right to sell or otherwise transfer any of the Cash Items, Nexon currency or any other content or information included in the Service, in whole or in part, to any third person or entity whatsoever, including, without limitation, on Internet auction sites (e.g., eBay, IGE), hack sites, privates server sites, gold farming sites or in return for anything of value (including "real" money) or otherwise. "

Anybody can say anything about something at any time but unless it's in the rules it doesn't make it true.

and then that gm got fired

I'm sure Nexon knows its happening. They just don't do anything about it because it's nearly impossible to prevent.

A long time ago, like eight years ago, a GM told onlookers that the game would never ever ever let players spend money to purchase doubled experience or in-game benefits. We all know how that turned out. GMs are just people who say things. I would take it with a grain of salt. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if this GM's statement were backed by the company in full, since it basically gives players (who have no way of making money due to terrible game design) a reason to Buy Nx Right Now!

Well you can also be scammed with a normal trade so that is not really a valid point i guess...

Scamming is, though, which is why it still has the possibility of violating the ToS.
[quote=nexn]Participate in any action that, in the sole discretion of the Company, "scams" or otherwise defrauds any other player, including with respect to any items that a player has earned or otherwise obtained (e.g., Cash Items).[/quote]

inform the press!

I thought this was pretty obvious.