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[quote=EnzoNick]Maybe there's a way around making a pure support class, as the reasons you guys posted as to why there shouldn't be another support class are well said. I made this thread primarily because the most fun I've ever had in maple was getting my priest to a bish. I would go into r&j with a party and have a blast running around and constantly buffing and healing my teammates, even if the buffs didn't need to be recasted. Guess I let nostalgia get a hold of me, haha[/quote]

I'm all for having a new support class, but personally I'd just like to see something that can't be muled and has active involvement in the party instead of pressing a couple of keys every 3 minutes.

[quote=Mirabosh]Also, @DwerG has an interesting point. There's no incentive to "fund" a support class, their support skills will always be the same regardless of their range, and their damage will always be mediocre compared to DPS classes. In other games, your healing / buffing powers would increase with better gear, this isn't the case in maple.[/quote]

I didn't mean funding necessarily, but moreso that there doesn't seem much point training a support class solo till whatever high levels and then having your class muled anyway. Though I do agree with with what you're saying about funding anyway.

[quote=EnzoNick]Maybe there's a way around making a pure support class, as the reasons you guys posted as to why there shouldn't be another support class are well said. I made this thread primarily because the most fun I've ever had in maple was getting my priest to a bish. I would go into r&j with a party and have a blast running around and constantly buffing and healing my teammates, even if the buffs didn't need to be recasted. Guess I let nostalgia get a hold of me, haha[/quote]

I own a guide if you got the time to look at it, anyway, my golden rule as a 200 bishop has always been "Party is first before all", I already got a good bossing team, I stand behind them and keep healing them constantly, I also BB to make them deal more damage, revive when necessary or cast Heaven's Door (they LOVE it), I also attack, I like to pull my stress from the day out on punishing a boss with my AR .

I think we already got enough supporting classes, if you ask me, Bishop+BT+Kanna+Phantom= Best party buffs ever (If phantom manages to steal CO, SI, SE, HB and other things).

Maybe there's a way around making a pure support class, as the reasons you guys posted as to why there shouldn't be another support class are well said. I made this thread primarily because the most fun I've ever had in maple was getting my priest to a bish. I would go into r&j with a party and have a blast running around and constantly buffing and healing my teammates, even if the buffs didn't need to be recasted. Guess I let nostalgia get a hold of me, haha

The thing, even bishop's heal is somewhat useless. Most bosses have attacks that either OHKO or deal negligible damage. The only situation where I somewhat find heal helpful is against Empress, as her 90% dark gene sometimes hit EVERYWHERE, a quick heal can save your life (Potion cooldown in there). Like @SilverFoxR said, BT is one of the only classes that has active support skills. They can cast cards with short duration, create this "web area" or w/e... but most BTs just sit around at HoH and do nothing else. BaMs also have to be active during a boss run, they can't just sit in corner.

There's also the fact that... people are just too lazy to do actual run in bosses run. Personally I can solo most bosses, but whenever I go to CRA, empress or magnus, I invite my friends, which are often unfunded, to come so the instanced drops and fund themselves. But if, for example, one of them's a BT, I'll try to have him do whatever his class can do to support the attacker (me). I know that if I was a support class that's what I'd do but... no, a lot of people won't. It's not because you're not funded that you can't help. I'd take a WEAAAAAAAK BaM to whatever bosses he wants IF he had the skills to survive and the will to truly help me.

So to your claim, 1-I think there's already a few "support classes" out there besides bishop and 2-I don't think maplers WANT more support classes, since a majority of them are too lazy to use their support skills properly.

Also, @DwerG has an interesting point. There's no incentive to "fund" a support class, their support skills will always be the same regardless of their range, and their damage will always be mediocre compared to DPS classes. In other games, your healing / buffing powers would increase with better gear, this isn't the case in maple.

[quote=EnzoNick]@Kiryuin

The thing I didn't like about BT is that all they do is stand aside. I would rather have a support class that actively helps, like bishs healing in the old days. Though maybe something that's not repetitive as healing lol[/quote]

BTs don't actually HAVE to stand aside - the great thing about their cat form is that they don't HAVE to re-cast their buffs and those buffs pretty much cover everything from damage to exp gain to drop rate. They can still attack, put down AoE damage and healing areas, revive players, heal... and they have an activate-able buff.

And it's not like we've never seen Bishops just stand around either... just activating buffs, then not doing anything.

Honestly, I don't want to see a class that is "just support' anymore... what they did to Bishops is exactly what they should have. The "don't attack - it's your job to heal. You're too weak to do anything anyways." and similar crap treatment the Cleric class on whole would get in the past was pathetic. They deserve to be able to fight and that's what they have.

I wouldn't mind that, but I don't think the game is geared towards anymore support classes anymore unfortunately. They're not really needed until late on in the game, at which point people mule them instead of partying them anyway, so there's not much of an incentive. It would be nice if they decided to create a support class that had an active involvement, like you said, rather than just "use 3min buff skill, do nothing", but I don't see it happening personally.

A pure tank that deals almost no damage (extremely hard to fund for damage, but scales better with armor/health). It has skills like aggroing a boss to target him only, revive, 'shield', etc.

Yknow...like Braum.

@Kiryuin

The thing I didn't like about BT is that all they do is stand aside. I would rather have a support class that actively helps, like bishs healing in the old days. Though maybe something that's not repetitive as healing lol

we just got beast tamer i don't think we'll get two in a row

just get rid of decent se and bs like that just party up and do party bossing again like zakum in the old days

@CrossedGunn

People will always use classes with support buffs as mules, there's really no way of getting around that.

and the ppl making at an hoh mule again...? whats the point of that.