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Terminus Whip and Attack Speed?

With the new xenon buffs coming out with the Black Heaven patch I was wondering if the increase in attack speed from the Terminus Jaeger would have any significant effect on my bossing potential. Currently I am using a 21% ATT 9% LUK 15 Starred 15% Traced Fafnir (299 ATT) and the Terminus I am looking at is +5 15% Traced with Legendary Potential.

I have two questions:

Does the increase in attack speed from the Terminus significantly affect bossing capabilities considering the snipe buff in the Black Heaven patch?
How much would the Terminus in question be worth?

March 4, 2015

8 Comments • Newest first

iEvanMaster

@FriedWhales @Hydraxide

For the most part, I agree that it's not worthwhile to make the switch, since the dps difference post revamp is [b]extremely negligible[/b]. There is however, a situation where revamped snipe will out damage Beam Dance.

Personally, I think the only case(s) where it's worth going for the Terminus whip instead of the Fafnir is if you cap with snipe on the Terminus, but do not cap with BD with the Fafnir. This means you're hitting around 30-45m with Beam Dance.

The other situation is dojo, having a faster snipe for the first 35 bosses helps improve your time.

Of course, these situations are also assuming you do not have the +1 Attack Speed IA. If you do, it's not worth going for the Terminus period.

[b]Reasoning with math[/b]: (Numbers are using post revamp snipe delay and lines, 930ms and 6 hits without Manifest Projector)
Not including Triangulation or Salvo, in my opinion they only amount to fractions of "lines" in a theoretical calculation such as this but in practice they don't really do much. You also make snipe a bit slower if you try to use Pinpoint Salvo at the same time.

With Beam Dance, it's a different story. However, at [b]most[/b] you'll be gaining ~3-4 lines per second if counting those,, and that's [b]if[/b] you hit cap with Salvo, which I don't believe any GMS Xenon can do at the moment on Physical Resist bosses. In dojo, there's maybe one or two that can hit max with it.

[i]Hits per second are determined by: 50m = 1. 35m= 0.7[/i]

Using a [b]Fafnir[/b], you hit 5(Fast) - 1(decent SI) -1(Green MPE) an attack speed of 1. This means snipe will hit 15.45 times per second
Using a [b]Terminus[/b], you hit 4(Fast) - 1(decent SI) -1(Green MPE) an attack speed of 0. This means snipe will hit 17 times per second.

Using Beam Dance, which has a fixed attack delay of 120, you hit 14.161 times per second, not counting Triangulation or Pinpoint Salvo.

As you can see, if we're to assume a 100% capping situation just for this situation, you'll see that Beam Dance will win against the Fafnir user, albeit barely, counting in Triangulation and Pinpoint Salvo.
With the Terminus User, it's extremely close, to the point of it not mattering at all.

[b][i]Again, please take note that you have to be spamming Pinpoint Salvo for Beam Dance to beat Snipe with a Fafnir, and you have to be hitting approximately 20m each, or higher.
Even then, the difference is negligible, though there do exist situations where using Beam Dance will be more favorable than Snipe.[/b][/i]

It basically comes down to whether or not you're using Pinpoint Salvo when using BD, and if you're not, then most of the time Snipe will be better.

And remember, the most important factor in determining "bossing ability" is your character control.
No amount of damage will make up for the fact that you'll die every ten seconds if you don't know how the boss works.

@ImANoob

I estimate the patch will arrive in either late May, or June.

Major changes are:

Snipe will be 400%, hits 6 lines, delay is decreased.

Beam Dance will be 260% per hit.

Xenons no longer lose their energy upon respawn.

Reply March 6, 2015 - edited
ImANoob

Uhh just wondering when is that patch coming and what is going to get buffed?

Reply March 6, 2015 - edited
Axnslicer

BD hits 8.3 times per second for 50+35 M, which is about 700 M dps. After the revamp, Snipe has 6 * (50+35) lines, so 510 M dps. I can definitely do 1.5 Snipes/second post revamp. Not counting Triangulation, Pinpoint, and Aegis, it looks like Snipe is going to be pretty decent competition for Beam Dance.

Reply March 5, 2015 - edited
topLEL

I know you you're buying it froooom ~ but yeah Terminus > Faf, pre+post buff

Reply March 5, 2015 - edited
mr159

[quote=Hydraxide]@iEvanMaster did the math, if you're capping snipe, unless you can break the hard cap, there's no difference. Also if you're capping on BD with a faf whip you should stick to it because apparently BD is still more DPS than buffed snipe.[/quote]

this is what im doing, since i cap with BD im sticking with my fafnir whip, though i did make a terminus one just for fun

Reply March 5, 2015 - edited
MisterPANG

I chose a fafnir over terminus due to the fact that I need the boss % from 4 set effects. Bu yeah what that guy said ^

Reply March 5, 2015 - edited
Hydraxide

@iEvanMaster did the math, if you're capping snipe, unless you can break the hard cap, there's no difference. Also if you're capping on BD with a faf whip you should stick to it because apparently BD is still more DPS than buffed snipe.

Reply March 5, 2015 - edited