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[quote=HawonAru]Thank you for being so understanding. That is exactly what I'm talking about. If I was drawing Anime for a living then it would be laughable with this quality but Anime/Manga is nothing more than a hobby to me. So I don't know why some people make such a big deal out of everything as if those anatomy mistakes would reduce their life spans by twenty years or something. I do appreciate people giving critiques and suggestions but I don't tolerate disrespectful behaviours. Seriously, this is not an art forum and there's like children here too. They should go and take their kicking-it mouths somewhere else and don't make this site dirty.

Anyways, thank you again for your comment. So many others could learn from you too including myself very admirable[/quote]

Hey now, I'm not sure how we got to saying it would be laughable if you were doing it as a professional! Getting used to a new program is something very different! I've done a lot of graphic design work for various things, and I've used Photoshop for a long time now, so I know exactly how complicated and frustrating using new software can be, it's basically a completely new medium. If you don't mind me saying so, judging from your past images those "mistakes" just appear to be inexperience with the program itself, something that I'm sure you'll have expected, and is definitely not drawn from lack of talent as we can see from your other images as well.

In my opinion the major thing most people will probably miss while giving their "critiques", is that digital imagery is completely different from traditional means (which is perhaps what they're used to), and starting with a new piece of software is going to ultimately force you to learn a lot of the basics again, just with new tools.

I'm sure it wasn't such a huge problem for you to begin with anyway, I thought I'd just throw that in! But I'm not sure there'd be anything that I could really teach anyone, heh!

[quote=DwerG]Amazing how people can get so bent out of shape when all she's doing is defending her artwork, lol. After spending all that time drawing something for people to [i]enjoy[/i], why would she not? In fact I don't even see why she should need to in the first place, after all this is BaslMarket, not superamazingartcritics.com. In my opinion the only reason you post a drawing on Basil is for people to enjoy, not for every Basiler and their mom to de-construct it from top to bottom, I'm sure she has plenty of places she can get full criticism from.[/quote]

Thank you for being so understanding. That is exactly what I'm talking about. If I was drawing Anime for a living then it would be laughable with this quality but Anime/Manga is nothing more than a hobby to me. So I don't know why some people make such a big deal out of everything as if those anatomy mistakes would reduce their life spans by twenty years or something. I do appreciate people giving critiques and suggestions but I don't tolerate disrespectful behaviours. Seriously, this is not an art forum and there's like children here too. They should go and take their kicking-it mouths somewhere else and don't make this site dirty.

Anyways, thank you again for your comment. So many others could learn from you too including myself very admirable

Amazing how people can get so bent out of shape when all she's doing is defending her artwork, lol. After spending all that time drawing something for people to [i]enjoy[/i], why would she not? In fact I don't even see why she should need to in the first place, after all this is BaslMarket, not superamazingartcritics.com. In my opinion the only reason you post a drawing on Basil is for people to enjoy, not for every Basiler and their mom to de-construct it from top to bottom, I'm sure she has plenty of places she can get full criticism from.

@xNightAngelx13

Thank you for your feedback and I must say you have keen eyes for detail. No one else noticed the shading differences between the bangs and the rest of the hair. Here's what happened there: I was using the pen tool when I was shading her bangs and I used the pencil tool for shading the rest of her hair so that I can experiment and compare which one looks more natural. I can clearly see now that I should use pencil tool from now on. Pen tool makes things look so stiff and unnatural sometimes.

Honestly for me, i don't really appeal to your style ;o
The face looks slightly disfigured, the shading on the bangs doesn't look that natural as the rest of the hair
and yea, the background looks like it came from some anime scene
other then that, i really like the glow effect you made

@speck1231

Yes I get what you're trying to say and I most certainly understand and respect your point of view. Thank you for giving me a great advice.

@GenuineLaughter, xshadow2, Lanique, rumflakes

Thank you guys for giving me some real critiques. Too bad not many people are like you guys. I guess I'm really black and white about these things. I never go easy on disrespectful people whether they're right or not. I always think that they really need to learn how to be proper human beings before learning how to critique so I take theirs less seriously than respectful ones. Based on my past experience, I was really calm and submissive about these things and people like I mentioned above thought I was a loser and they could get away with being inconsiderate jerk at me so a lot of people around me actually recommended me to get more confrontational and fight back so that people won't behave like that toward me in the future.

Anyways I really appreciate all of your suggestions and I'll look into it. Thank you very much.

the backgrounds you drew for lilin and dreamy ghost were amazing but looking at the quality of the background here, doesnt seem like you drew it. Maybe you're focusing on the character on this one. i see several deformities like the face, ears, shoulders and mistakes in the hair. Your cell shading doesnt look complete, there are places that should be shaded/highlighted but isnt and the eyes look especially flat. well since this is a speed drawing, i understand there will be mistakes

i agree with whoever said this looked like another anime/manga drawing, cuz it does. This is like the typical generic anime screenshot...
[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/show/screen/172031/0/so_u_rlly_like_me_huh.html#photo_top]something like this[/url]

Also, looking at the lines, i can tell you using curve tool or something similar to curvetool. Using these curve/line tools make you lines really plain. Try using pen/pencil tool so you can vary the weight of the lines.

love it im sure i would love it more if it had shoulders

Don't bear favor to it.

[quote=HawonAru]Thank you for your feedback Finally someone who's smart and mature enough to understand what is going on

I wonder how many people who are going "LOL a butt hurt artist who can't take criticism" at me say nothing like an idiot(or say thanks)after someone insulted them in real life or on the internet.
So it's okay for a criticizer to be a disrespectful bastard and it's not okay for an artist to defend his/herself? What kind of rubbish is this?
I'm sure everybody knows this phrase "What goes around comes around." I follow by this rule: People can criticize my art but if they are jerk about it, I will not thank them. I will criticize them back.
Notice I never said anything like not taking their criticism? I always write down everyone's suggestions and look into it but no, I don't get confrontational because I'm butt hurt. It's just that I don't thank rude people. They don't even deserve any. Instead they deserved to be insulted back. They shouldn't mess with artists and give them respectful real feedback. People treated me like a moron when I was submissive so now I fight back and that is what I did.
If people are unable to back up their statement with sufficient evidence to why the artwork suck so much they're just T-ing nothing more because they won't help me to improve in any positive ways.

I'm not talking about who's right or wrong. I'm talking about basic etiquette here. At least they shouldn't make it sound like their parent never raised them properly.
Criticizer's opinion is not a law(Shocking. I know.)so the artist is free to decide whether to take his/her advice or not. Why won't some people get that and go bash on the artist for their "inability to take criticism"? I'm not always right but the criticizers are not always right either. Artists are free to disagree with criticizers because It's their work.

Again I must say you're very intelligent person. You knew exactly what I'm trying to do without me having to write another whole paragraph to explain. Honestly so many people need to learn from you including myself.[/quote]

I think you should be more confident in your artwork, then you wouldn't feel like you need to defend it so much. Of course you don't need to say thanks to people who are just plain rude and make comments like "lulz dis sucks". But just because a critique is harsh that doesn't mean it should be taken as an insult and just because a critique is completely negative (because the person writing it didn't bother to put compliments into it), that doesn't mean what they are saying can't be true. In the real world you will rarely find people who fill their critique with compliments before they get to the point. I know it's much nicer to listen to a critique that has 99% compliments and 1% negative feedback, but you will eventually find out that those are not the most useful ones. I'm gonna assume you're still really young and a bit insecure with what you do, at least that's how you come across, just try to be more calm, don't jump at someone right away and especially don't get down to their level, try to be the better person.

I'm gonna keep this as short as I can:

I don't think this is as good as your previous works. Her face just looks strange. Maybe it's just me, but the left side of her mouth looks rounded (notice the shadow curve), but then the right side is triangular in nature, so there's just obvious facial disproportion.

I can appreciate going for an older style, but this just didn't really work out that well. It looks like you were trying to turn someone like [url=http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=character&charid=15958] poor Yamada[/url] into a catgirl, but didn't really succeed.

That's not to say it's bad. It's pretty good, compared to most basil works. But not good compared to your previous works.

That's all. Just being honest.

Edit: No wait, I just realized who this looks really similar to: [url=http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=character&charid=10077]Hazuki[/url].

Wow, it's a pretty heated in here. :o

Well...My only advice is to take any comment--whether mean spirited or not--graciously. I've had my share of Simon critics before, and the best way to deal with them is to acknowledge that some of what they say is true, and thank them. They wanted to get a rise out of you, but then you shower them with respect and humility. Imagine their surprise--they'll respect you back. It does not mean that you are 'submissive'. It is a difficult thing to do, especially for someone as strong-spirited as you are, but it will benefit you in the long run.

It is true that you do not necessarily have to their a commenter's advice--you can do whatever you want with your talent--and I'm sure the critics (or pseudo-critics) know that too. Whether their comments influence you or not is by your own decision. Take it calmly, thank them first, then defend your position, then acknowledge them.

If their comment has NO validity at all, then it's best to ignore them altogether. Don't give them the satisfaction of your reply. Let your supporters do that, as they have done here multiple times.

Those are just my 2 cents....well...more like two dollars. x)

Keep drawing, keep learning, and most of all, don't let anyone or anything discourage you.

@HawonAru:

The watermark isn't annoying, really. It just could be placed [i]better[/i] somewhere else, like in the bottom black corner.

[quote=LadyRemilia]You called?

Then you, my dear child, are missing out on quite the wonderful world that is Touhou. You might want to look it up. The overwhelming sensation you'll feel will only be overpowered by the feeling of curiosity and awe.

Also deary, don't listen to the delinquents in this thread. (They know who they are.) You are in NO position to not defend your art. It's wonderful. Constructive criticism means pointing out things in a helpful manner, unlike those in this thread who have bashed and gave no proof or insight to their statements. They clearly have no idea what it truly means to admire art and help said artist(s) become better.

No backwards image search I can pull has any webpage with anything close to this image. That's enough proof to me that it's unique, and actually done by you.

The ears meshing into the hair is the major qualm I have with this image. The hair should flow around them, not disappear behind them.
The only other minor qualm I have is that her left eye is a tad too large, and a bit higher then it should be.

You are not 'unprofessional.' This art has a very distinct oldschool 80's to 90's anime feel. You required the feel of a lost art and by god you've hit it. Respect.[/quote]

Thank you for your feedback Finally someone who's smart and mature enough to understand what is going on

I wonder how many people who are going "LOL a butt hurt artist who can't take criticism" at me say nothing like an idiot(or say thanks)after someone insulted them in real life or on the internet.
So it's okay for a criticizer to be a disrespectful bastard and it's not okay for an artist to defend his/herself? What kind of rubbish is this?
I'm sure everybody knows this phrase "What goes around comes around." I follow by this rule: People can criticize my art but if they are jerk about it, I will not thank them. I will criticize them back.
Notice I never said anything like not taking their criticism? I always write down everyone's suggestions and look into it but no, I don't get confrontational because I'm butt hurt. It's just that I don't thank rude people. They don't even deserve any. Instead they deserved to be insulted back. They shouldn't mess with artists and give them respectful real feedback. People treated me like a moron when I was submissive so now I fight back and that is what I did.
If people are unable to back up their statement with sufficient evidence to why the artwork suck so much they're just T-ing nothing more because they won't help me to improve in any positive ways.

I'm not talking about who's right or wrong. I'm talking about basic etiquette here. At least they shouldn't make it sound like their parent never raised them properly.
Criticizer's opinion is not a law(Shocking. I know.)so the artist is free to decide whether to take his/her advice or not. Why won't some people get that and go bash on the artist for their "inability to take criticism"? I'm not always right but the criticizers are not always right either. Artists are free to disagree with criticizers because It's their work.

Again I must say you're very intelligent person. You knew exactly what I'm trying to do without me having to write another whole paragraph to explain. Honestly so many people need to learn from you including myself.

No offense but, you really need to practice taking criticism and stop fighting and justifying yourself so hard.
Noone is perfect, so you should listen to other people's opinions and take into consideration that maybe there's some truth in it, especially when alot of people notice the same thing (the face looking a bit squished). It's an important part of becoming a better artist.

From thumbnail I thought it was Lucy. xD

@DanteKyudo

Nah you shouldn't be apologizing well it was kind of my fault I should have thanked you in the first place. I mean after all you took time to write down your critique and all I did was chatter. Again I sincerely apologize the end of term is coming up so I'm really stressed out XP I'm not sure what came over me.

...And she's my sister I apologize for that as well she loves to butt in. Don't mind her >_>

[quote=Matryoshka]What the heck are you talking about? Even to me that guy sounds like a fail troll to me. There's a guide on criticism here and according it that guy's comment is not helping her to improve in anyways. I do think TS went overboard but what she says about the artist's prerogative is right u know It's their choice to take it or leave it And besides her comment was not directed at him so why r u getting upset?[/quote]

He/She asked that she start on realism first if she really wanted to get better at drawing. I don't see how that was unhelpful. Every "good" anime artist I've seen said that they started from realism and worked their way towards the desired anime style they currently have. Just because someone makes a harsh critique on something, it doesn't mean that they are automatically a troll. Please realize this. I'm tired of dealing with people that can't tell the difference.

Anyways, I don't see what this whole thing has to do with you, so why are you butting in? See? I can do it too. <3

@HawonAru: Eh, we all get caught up in the moment. :] I apologize for taking your words the wrong way.
I still stand by what I've said before, I think the coloring you did with this is brilliant. I can never adapt to this style of coloring even though I really want to.

@vato4lif

Yes I did go overboard and I do apologize for that but here the difference. You are a good criticizer. You make valid points to help me improve. Apparently he is not. Anyways thanks for your critique I'll look into it.

@DanteKyudo

I'm sorry perhaps you misunderstood me. I'm not offended by your critique. I'm just stating my opinion towards him. If the flaming gets worse I won't leave it in the comments and take it to PM. That was really immature thing to do. Also I apologize if I offended you in anyways. It was unintentional.

Uhm, I'm sorry, but why are you taking my critique with such hostility? Your facial proportions really are off in this drawing and many other people that commented have mentioned that the face looks "off."

Once again, ByTheWay was just trying to help you. If you really thought that he/she was trolling then you really need to get better at picking out who are the real trolls and who aren't. Hostility like this won't get you very far if you show this same behavior towards people that offer up critiques that will, in the long run, help you improve.

If you thought the word "disregard" was harsh, you should really toughen yourself up if you want to continue drawing. If you really want an honest to goodness critique about your art, I suggest you go to conceptart.org and post your drawings there. Compared to how the professional artists over there critique, mine wasn't even a harsh comment.

Btw, you're welcome on the compliment I gave you. Too busy defending yourself and your "style" that you completely disregarded it. Nice. <3

[quote=HawonAru]@ByTheWay
You want to know I think you're a fail t***?: "I've looked at your other screens, and at least they're not as bad as this one."
LMAO You got to be kidding me. What a major facepalm. You're a liar. I don't even think you looked at them for more than 0.354236944634 seconds. When I look at my previous drawings now they make me shudder so badly and you're calling [i]them[/i] better? Learn to use your eyes properly. In terms of anatomy they fail even more miserably. Okay then Mr. Wannabeknowitall then let [i]me[/i] list some of the horrid mistakes I've made in my previous drawings:

http://www.basilmarket.com/show/screen/186529/0/Dreamy_ghost.html#photo_top
1.The eyes and the mouth are noticeably off-centre even her kimono
2.Incorrect light source on the bamboo and the roof
3.The bamboo look like a plastic model(not realistic enough)
4.The moon is just a white ball: no shades whatsoever
5.Overall the lineart is just too squiggly and messy for cell shading
6.She looks like she's holding up her middle finger

http://www.basilmarket.com/show/screen/198309/0/Blaze_wizard.html#photo_top
1.Her right eye is terribly misshaped she looks like she has a one lazy eye
2.There should be light on her back(fire sprite)
3.Her right arm looks broken and it's noticeably longer than the other arm
4.The folds on her robe are really awkward especially at the bottom

http://www.basilmarket.com/show/screen/198600
1.Her bangs should be blowing in the wind as well like the rest of her hair
2.The ribbons are too long and they're blowing in every direction instead of one
3.Overall her clothes and the ribbons are missing a light source
4.She looks stiff as a board

And guess what Issac Newton? More than half the facts I've listed above are what other people didn't find(You want evidence? Read every single comments). That's right I found them out myself by observing them for days, weeks, and months. Although I do admit I'm incapable of pointing out every single mistake but I'm able to find most of them myself without much help.

Oh yeah and about never using other Anime drawings as references part, thanks for pointing out the obvious I already know that but I choose to use both Anime drawings and actual people as references because Anime is nothing more than a cartoon for me and if I reference it on real people only, the characters turn out to be too realistic for my taste.

Also, you think I'm making a fool out of myself for being "LOL an artist trying to defend herself"? Well here's a news flash for you. Flipping out over a comment that wasn't even directed at you is even more idiotic in my book. Why the heck do you care whether I take his advice or not? And did I ever say I wasn't? Besides it's the artists' prerogative whether to take other people's critiques into consideration or not. If they decide not to it's their loss. Basically it's my loss NOT yours. It won't kill YOU. You need to get a life and learn to mind your own business.
If you think yours is a good critique you need to see a doctor right now. I'll assume you're just another pointless flamer who's trying to hurt me. Seriously, you call that an insult? Is that all you got? LMAO nice try but you're a weak sauce. I've heard insults far worse from a ten year old.

P.S. I wouldn't be surprised if you say "Too long didn't read"[/quote]

All your artwork is very good. I don't know how you noticed every flaw though. Some of the ones you listed, I didn't even know, but then again I'm not an expert at this art stuff.

Her face is squished like a pancake. It's kinda awk.
But it's still pretty good.

that is Cuuutee C:
i really like the face.
cute n' chubby<3
LOL @ the person who said 'inuyasha's daughter!'

[quote=neoemergence]Chubby face reminds me of card-captors. Liked that show lol.[/quote]

I guess you and I(and few other people)are the only ones who prefer big chubby round faces not one of those modern coconut sized heads with razor sharp chins.

[quote=DanteKyudo]I think her mouth and nose are too squished together. Even if she's meant to be young, that doesn't mean you shouldn't disregard basic facial proportions.

I've always thought the little bump on the side of the face for anime characters was representing the top of their cheeks or their cheekbone. Usually, the tip of the nose is in line with the cheekbone or "little bump". I've linked a drawing of a little kid down below as an example of what I'm talking about.
Example: http://fav.me/d1blzpq

However, I do have to say you colored this nicely. Females are not my forte, so I'm always envious of people that can draw them decently. <3[/quote]

The word "disregard" is a little harsh IMO. I carefully research every single time whenever I do an artwork. So...no, I don't think I'm disregarding any proportions. The drawing you just showed me is one of those...I'm not sure how people call it but I call it modern day mainstream Anime styles which are [url=http://pds15.egloos.com/pds/200906/15/12/f0045512_4a35255fb6342.jpg]extremely different from the 90's style I'm doing.[/url] Not to mention her face position and this character's face position are totally different. Also, [url=http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/8498/kasumievent12.png]if you see this picture you'll see what I'm trying to say.[/url] I referenced the face pose from this and this is done by a professional so the proportion must be accurate. If the drawing you showed me is also done by a professional then its just a matter of style differences not that there's anything wrong with the proportion.

@ Above
I'm not saying she's cute. That's just her IGN. >_> That's why I put that Windia symbol next to it.

LOL@Watermark

I think her mouth and nose are too squished together. Even if she's meant to be young, that doesn't mean you shouldn't disregard basic facial proportions.

I've always thought the little bump on the side of the face for anime characters was representing the top of their cheeks or their cheekbone. Usually, the tip of the nose is in line with the cheekbone or "little bump". I've linked a drawing of a little kid down below as an example of what I'm talking about.
Example: http://fav.me/d1blzpq

However, I do have to say you colored this nicely. Females are not my forte, so I'm always envious of people that can draw them decently. <3

[quote=finalcurt]looks like i hit a nerve, hm? You will report me? for saying my opinion? now I'm really scared.
Funny how you basil "artists" can create such drama from such a little comment
and I'm still saying you drew this without wasting a thought on maplestory then created a little bannedstory avi just so you can post it on basil
btw i think the face looks kinda squished[/quote]

Oh, so you can read minds now, too?

OT: This is amazing, keep up the good work. I really like the style

Aw! This picture is so adorable. I love the background, and the highlights in her hair too! She looks kind of sad though...or maybe solemn (I'm not really sure).

@donlolme

LOL I know right? Unlike other screens I drew this in less than a day and since this is a speed drawing I didn't do much tweaking.

The ear hair looks pretty disturbing.

@Indul
Looks like "any other Anime drawing" in the world hmm? That many? Okay then list about 50 > No, all in all seriousness, are you trying to say it's not related to Maplestory because it's Anime/Manga styled? It is related to it since that is my character. And you do know that Maplestory characters all look like Anime Chibis.

@hyperfire7
Sounds more like flaming to me. I'm not even sure about the differences between the two.

@Above
That is how Anime/Manga artists draw kids.

@HawonAru

Now that's what I'm talking about girl! xD I get so many people saying mine are bad but hey! >=o

@svv33tnes

Of course I can't make it look 100% like real one because

1. I don't have the right program
2. I'm inexperienced. Actually this is the first CG cell shading drawing I did using Illustrator. Previous ones are done in Photoshop and are a mix of gradient+cell shading, etc.
3. That avatar there ruins it too. Too bad Mr. B won't accept it without it. This has been rejected twice because of that reason. Putting the avatar in the artwork ruins everything so I despise it. Why won't Mr. B respect that?

@blazi4ever

I don't mind people putting their website/blog/DA URL on their artwork what I meant was those watermarks that covers more than half the drawing ruins everything [url=http://www.sumrallworks.com/freebies/buttonhole/psp/tutorials/watermark/rhino2.gif]like this one for example. This looks horrible IMO. [/url]
[url=http://www.photoble.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Bad-watermark1.jpg]I don't mind this kind of watermark. It's still too big for me but better than the other one.[/url]

@finalcurt

Oh no, I use BannedStory to show off lolololz. Fyi, mrbasil denied some of my screens because they didn't have 'inspiration' and I'm forced to put avatars on them which isn't really necessary (unless they have non-GMS equips).

Don't place random assumptions that she traced or copied off of an anime without any proof. According to her other screens, I'm 100% sure that she created them herself.

Don't really agree with the last part of your watermarking paragraph though, I only put heavy watermarking on basil because I'm not allowed to mention my deviantART URL anywhere on the screen + description itself and that's where I post nearly everything. I rather not have some tard claiming that they have done my art.

Enough of that, this is pretty good.

Horo from Spice and Wolf?

really nice d(^_^d)

[quote=betoosz]Its looks like the girl from Spice and Wolf.[/quote]

Those were my thoughts, too.

To anyone who think she just copied it, take a look at her other screen shots. If she has that kind of talent, why would she copy something in the first place?

The watermark is a tad annoying, but I can understand why it's necessary with the quality of this. I haven't actually clicked the "like" button on a screen for a while, so I think I'll change that right now =P

[quote=finalcurt]looks like you copied it from an anime screenshot.... also it doesn't look maple related at all
you just made that little thing in bannedstory so you could show off....[/quote]

you just has to start with a flame comment, WITHOUT even looking at the previous drawing she made in the past few months then u just put it into conclusion of how she copy a screenshot of an anime, news flash this IS an anime why dont you try to draw something that can amaze everyone.

Looks like it was from a anime awesome job there

Don't listen to finalcurt. This is really amazing *O*

Amazing.

Yeah thats really good O-o

Looks just like anime. Really good!