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[quote=darkspawn980]you don't know me enough to make that first statement.[/quote]

I have no interest in speaking with extradimensional beings.

Begone, ShinkuDragon.

@iVege: you don't know me enough to make that first statement.

Yay Dark Knights!

[quote=darkspawn980]reasons cause feelings, or at least, these feelings are caused by reasons, reasons found in that link, reasons that add onto each other to create more feelings.

so if i felt the paradox first, the paradox is a reason of my feelings, one of many reasons there.[/quote]

The thing is, once you feel the paradox, you won't feel anything else.

which is what I've been trying to say.

Feelings what probably a bad word to use. It was more "which reason did you [i]realise[/i] first?".

@iVege: reasons cause feelings, or at least, these feelings are caused by reasons, reasons found in that link, reasons that add onto each other to create more feelings.

so if i felt the paradox first, the paradox is a reason of my feelings, one of many reasons there.

[quote=darkspawn980]reasons[/quote]

Feelings precede the adding of reasons, so it does matter.

If you felt the paradox first, then only one reason will apply to you, even if I added both reasons as possibilities of your feelings.

@iVege: reasons

[quote=darkspawn980]yes, adding.[/quote]

adding what

@iVege: yes, adding.

[quote=darkspawn980]not really, order doesn't matter when adding, so the order in which i felt it isn't important[/quote]

adding...?

@iVege: not really, order doesn't matter when adding, so the order in which i felt it isn't important

[quote=darkspawn980]why must it be limited to a single reason?[/quote]

because it depends on the order in how you felt it

once you get into a paradox

you never get out.

[quote=iVege]because of stupid

or because of paradox?

we know a definition is stupid when it has the word in its definition lawl.

not that the dictionary is stupid, but the definition is.[/quote]

People use it as a replacement word for "like."

"I like totally died when he said no!"

"I literally died when he said no!"

@iVege: why must it be limited to a single reason?

Drk's are going to be so good after RED! I would play them if spear fafnir's were just as cheap as two handed blunt weapon fafnir's. So I'm just going for paladins now

[quote=darkspawn980]literally: something that isn't literally...

-brainXplosion-[/quote]

because of stupid

or because of paradox?

we know a definition is stupid when it has the word in its definition lawl.

not that the dictionary is stupid, but the definition is.

[quote=theHAROrider]http://i.imgur.com/u3j9n4E.jpg

If that bothers you then this will [i]literally[/i] make you "die a little inside".[/quote]

literally: something that isn't literally...

-brainXplosion-

[quote=darkspawn980]hmm, but the reason i added the classes was because DrK don't have any skill books themselves (except MW) i see hwat you meant now however.[/quote]

Yes, you added the classes to illustrate the point that DrKs were a class that didn't have skill books.

That was done with the job names. Your "skills the class does not start with" and "Phantom Blow" were additional information.

So you carried out your point just fine (not that I noticed it until you told me). There's no reason for you to say "but".

Really? Thats interesting.

[quote=mush727]So basicly it would be a waste of money for me to buy any mastery books for my drk right now right? This is all coming from red update right?[/quote]

If you're willing to wait a few months without maxed core skills, sure?

Post-RED mastery book exchange system should be mastery books easy to obtain anyway.

[quote=lazershock]@mush727: Well, yes and no; if its a skill we don't HAVE anymore (e.g rush gets moved down to 3rd job) the skill will be replaced by something else. Back when we had achillies replaced with Dark Impale, if your achillies had a max level of 30, dark impale STARTED with its max level of 30.[/quote]

That's because Dark Impale is Achilles. They're the same skill. In RED, most of the old skills were removed, and new ones were created. Skill levels won't be transferred over for most skills in RED.

@mush727: Well, yes and no; if its a skill we don't HAVE anymore (e.g rush gets moved down to 3rd job) the skill will be replaced by something else. Back when we had achillies replaced with Dark Impale, if your achillies had a max level of 30, dark impale STARTED with its max level of 30.

[quote=lazershock]Its skill books you no longer need, not mastery books =P; However mastery books can now be purchased from an npc named Bucklerman for 7m (20) and 10m (30) all books are present, MW included and all of them have a 100% pass rate.[/quote]

So basicly it would be a waste of money for me to buy any mastery books for my drk right now right? This is all coming from red update right?

@iVege: hmm, but the reason i added the classes was because DrK don't have any skill books themselves (except MW) i see hwat you meant now however.

[quote=darkspawn980]'fraid i don't follow, mind explaining the "almost anything can be made into an example of something else." we're arguing if that specific phrase can be used for examples aren't we?[/quote]

I'll elaborate on what I first said about your sentence.

"Phantom Blow of Dual Blades".

What your sentence was really addressing was what Phantom Blow was in regards to Dual Blades. This question can be worded as "what is Phantom Blow".

How do you answer "what is"? With "that is".

"x, that is"

x is where you put your answer. Of course, "that" refers to x. In this case it's the "skill the class doesn't start with".

This works in the other way around, where the "skill the class doesn't start with" is Phantom Blow (in regards to Dual Blades).

Depends on what you want the focus to be on.

So, "that is" was in no way saying that the words after it were examples, but was simply saying what that certain skill was to the certain class (or what the "skillbook skill" for each class was). So while Dual Blades and Heroes are examples of classes (with skill books), "that is" did not serve the purpose of giving them.

@iVege: 'fraid i don't follow, mind explaining the "almost anything can be made into an example of something else." we're arguing if that specific phrase can be used for examples aren't we?

[quote=darkspawn980]which are some examples of skill books.[/quote]

Uh, yes, almost anything can be made into an example of something else. Your "that is" is irrelevant.

@iVege: which are some examples of skill books.

@aznstyles: not the point, but also the point i guess.

[quote=darkspawn980]i can see where he comes from however, using "that is" instead of i.e.; one could say.

"skill books allow you to learn skills the class doesn't start with, that is, phantom blow for DB's, ACA for heroes, and so on"

in this case it's being used to give examples. it does not mean "for example" however.[/quote]

"That is" is longer then "i.e." Things like this matter on the internet

[quote=darkspawn980]i can see where he comes from however, using "that is" instead of i.e.; one could say.

"skill books allow you to learn skills the class doesn't start with, that is, phantom blow for DB's, ACA for heroes, and so on"

in this case it's being used to give examples. it does not mean "for example" however.[/quote]

Your "that is" is not introducing a list of examples, but specifying the "skills the class doesn't start with" of DB's and heroes.

i can see where he comes from however, using "that is" instead of i.e.; one could say.

"skill books allow you to learn skills the class doesn't start with, that is, phantom blow for DB's, ACA for heroes, and so on"

in this case it's being used to give examples. it does not mean "for example" however.

[quote=lazershock]@iVege: i.e would be taken from the latin "id est" which basically means "in other words", it can be used as for example though, albeit informally (its done that way in a few textbooks too, although eg is far more common in literary cases since in most cases their treated as formal works, its really a matter of preference I suppose)

Id Est can also mean "in effect of"[/quote]

id est literally translates to 'that is'.

i disagree that it's preference. it's plain [b]wrong[/b]. @plusle4eva

and if common mistakes are evolving to become part of the word, then that sucks. see: initialism and acronym. i died a ltitle inside when i was watching numberphile and my favourite James Grime called the PNT an acryonym.

but as much as initialisms and acronyms are starting to become the same thing, i've never heard of people insisting i.e. can be used for examples (only that they were confused), nor seen formal works with this usage.

@iVege: i.e would be taken from the latin "id est" which basically means "in other words", it can be used as for example though, albeit informally (its done that way in a few textbooks too, although eg is far more common in literary cases since in most cases their treated as formal works, its really a matter of preference I suppose)

Id Est can also mean "in effect of"

[quote=lazershock]I.e is usually used as the abbreviation as "for example", although some people use eg (latin for Exempli Gratia), thats how its used where im from anyway =P[/quote]

If you know that eg is exempli gratia, then what do you think i.e. is

@iVege: I.e is usually used as the abbreviation as "for example", although some people use eg (from the latin phrase "Exempli Gratia", which is basically the latin version of for example), thats how its used where im from anyway =P

[quote=lazershock]@mush727: Skillbooks allow you to learn a skill that you don't yet have (i.e: Final Blow 10) mastery books raise the max level of an already learned skill (i.e: dark impale 20)[/quote]

I.e. does not mean what you think it means

@mush727: Skillbooks allow you to learn a skill that you don't yet have (i.e: Final Blow 10) mastery books raise the max level of an already learned skill (i.e: dark impale 20)

[quote=lazershock]Its skill books you no longer need, not mastery books =P; However mastery books can now be purchased from an npc named Bucklerman for 7m (20) and 10m (30) all books are present, MW included and all of them have a 100% pass rate.[/quote]

Srry for the noob question, but what's the difference between skillbooks and mastery books?

Thank you people <3<3

[quote=lazershock]Its skill books you no longer need, not mastery books =P; However mastery books can now be purchased from an npc named Bucklerman for 7m (20) and 10m (30) all books are present, MW included and all of them have a 100% pass rate.[/quote]

Might of said this before but so much for merching books.

[quote=Chimichurro]@lazershock Don't forget that you can trade in all the books you have for the 100% ones.[/quote]

I actually didn't know that =O Interesting

@lazershock Don't forget that you can trade in all the books you have for the 100% ones.

[quote=xdragontlcx]This is kind of relevant I guess, but is it true Adventurers will no longer need mastery books in the RED update?[/quote]

Its skill books you no longer need, not mastery books =P; However mastery books can now be purchased from an npc named Bucklerman for 7m (20) and 10m (30) all books are present, MW included and all of them have a 100% pass rate.

This is kind of relevant I guess, but is it true Adventurers will no longer need mastery books in the RED update?

at 5th job drk gets -100% stance so dont job advance!111

[quote=abi232]We get 40% passive stance in 1st or 2nd job (can't remember) and we get 60% stance in 4th job. They stack so we have 100% stance.[/quote]

1st job cuz we suck no more

We get 40% passive stance in 1st or 2nd job (can't remember) and we get 60% stance in 4th job. They stack so we have 100% stance.